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What happens when the Church embraces perverts?

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by garabandal, Nov 16, 2017.

  1. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

  2. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    They have no gifts to offer us!

    None.

    Period!
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2017
  3. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    The big trouble here is that our modern culture has for some reason come to associate the sin of homosexuality with who the person is. This is actually very demeaning and reduces a person to their sins. Someone who suffers from same sex attraction has many gifts to offer the Church and the world. They are an individual created by God for a special purpose. A purpose that only they can fulfill.

    Where the evil comes in is claiming that their perversion is a "gift" for them to "share" with the everyone else. No sin is a gift. Someone who is only sexually attracted to children suffers from another perversion of human sexuality. Should we say that this is a "gift" for them to "share" with others? Of course not. The world has lost all common sense.
     
  4. Sam

    Sam Archangels

    So, this deacon is openly gay, a practicing homosexual? Doesn't the church teach that a single person should lead a chaste life outside of marriage? Should the church ordain as deacons married men who are having an extramarital affair? Should the church ordain deacons who are single and having a sexual relationship outside of marriage whether heterosexual or homosexual?

    First Epistle Of Saint Paul To Timothy- Chapter 3


    [1] A faithful saying: if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. [2] It behoveth therefore a bishop to be blameless, the husband of one wife, sober, prudent, of good behaviour, chaste, given to hospitality, a teacher, [3] Not given to wine, no striker, but modest, not quarrelsome, not covetous, but [4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all chastity. [5] But if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?

    6] Not a neophyte: lest being puffed up with pride, he fall into the judgment of the devil. [7] Moreover he must have a good testimony of them who are without: lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. [8] Deacons in like manner chaste, not double tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre: [9] Holding the mystery of faith in a pure conscience. [10] And let these also first be proved: and so let them minister, having no crime.
     
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  5. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    A lot of comments beneath the article are slamming the Bishop for not getting rid of him. In fairness to the Bishop, what kind of backing would he get from the Church if he were to do that? Remember it is San Francisco and look who was given a platform in the Vatican to advise the Church how to get out the message on climate change. Imagine the scenario: Bishop removes Deacon; Fr. Martin, SJ, slams Bishop on Twitter; every Jesuit news outlet slams Bishop and for not following Pope's example; Deacon complains to political representative; Governor contacts friends in Vatican; Bishop moved to Timbuktu; Deacon reinstated; merciful Pope gets picture on front cover of Time, Life, NYT, every Jesuit news outlet; more lgbt Masses held across the "enlightened" Catholic western world; more gay unions blessed in Catholic churches; Fr. Martin reveals just a little more of what he couldn't say on camera at the talk in Fordham University.

    At least Governor Brown is honest and admits that brainwashing is the modus operandi of him and his ilk: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a...ia-governor-says-brainwashing-needed-on-clima That's the accusation atheists always leveled at the Church and when it comes to climate change it looks like it could be accurate.
     
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