Was Jesus, 'Nice'?

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  1. padraig

    padraig New Member

    https://www.catholicconvert.com/blog/2020/01/07/was-jesus-nice-2/

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    I wish I had a dollar for every time someone has said to me. “That was not very Christ-like.” This response usually comes after being honest to the point of making someone upset. The implication is that Jesus was a cuddly little nice guy who was always smiling, always accepting with kind words – in short NICE.

    In America we tend to be pretty nice, except maybe if you live in New York City. But in contrast to the rest of the world we tend to be very polite, genteel, gracious and nice. Tour guides in other countries say that Americans are the nicest people. We transpose our niceness onto Jesus and think he was a lot like us.

    But does LOVE = NICE?

    Of course Jesus was loving. He is God after all and God is love (1 John 4:8). We also know that love does not always equate to NICE. God allowed Paul to have a thorn in the flesh to keep him humble (2 Cor 12:7). Three times Paul prayed for it to be removed. God said NO. God was not acting very American. He certainly wasn’t very nice about it.

    Nice is defined primarily as “pleasant or commendable, kind or friendly” (Collins English Dictionary). It originally comes from the Latin meaning “simple, silly or ignorant.”

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    There is such a thing as “tough love.” It is the kind of love that cares enough to be honest, to confront, to discipline, to cause temporary pain to bring about eternal glory. On the surface “tough love” does not always appear to be nice. How often has a child, sent to the corner blurt out “You are not very nice!”

    Was Jesus nice?

    Like Aslan the Lion in C. S. Lewis’ Narnia series, Jesus is approachable and loving, but don’t ever consider him “tame” or too cuddly. Jesus is God as well as man. He expressed the wrath and anger of God as well as the mercy and love of God.

    Imagine coming to the Temple in Jerusalem one day to pray. You hear a great commotion and run over to see an angry man throwing over tables, grabbing the money from the merchants and throwing the money on the ground.

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    But worse, you see him make a scourge of cords – a whip – and striking people with it. You are shocked that anyone would be so rude and destructive, so inconsiderate and mean to lash people with a whip. People ran in fear! Everyone was upset. Jesus was red in the face and scowling. It certainly wasn’t very “Christ-like.” How nice was that?

    Jesus was always loving, but he was not always nice, as we Americans count niceness. Here is just one example. Jesus spoke very harshly to his fellow Jews.

    “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. So you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but within you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. . . . You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? (Matthew 23:27, 28, 33).

    Ouch! It doesn’t sound very kind and courteous: not very thoughtful or nice!

    So, maybe there is more to WWJD (What Would Jesus Do?) than we’ve been led to believe. Maybe we shouldn’t worry so much about being nice, being liked, acting like genteel Americans. Maybe we ought to be more honest and forthright about the things that really matter. Maybe we should be more willing to hurt some feelings, step on some toes, show tough love to those in sin.

    Maybe we should be more Christ-like.
     
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  2. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Here is a good example that shows were being a good Catholic is not all about being nice, but being honest and throwing Light in some very,very dark places.

     
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  3. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Piers Paul Read, in his excellent non-fiction book 'Hell and Other Destinations', clearly demonstrates that nobody else in Scripture came anywhere near Our Lord in frequency of mention of Hell and its fires. His book, and this theme in particular, did me a whole lot of good. Frankly, it frightened the s@#t out of me, in the best possible way. I would never allow myself to forget that perspective on Jesus Christ. You mention C S Lewis; in one of his science fiction novels, he uses the word 'NICE' as an acronym for the absolutely evil, masonic-type instituition which opposes his hero.

    Does threatening millstones around the necks of perverts cast into the sea fit the modern interpretation of 'nice'?

    Too many people nowadays are, as the old saying goes, 'too sweet to be wholesome'.
     
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  4. padraig

    padraig New Member

    There's really beautiful series of animated cartoon topics by CS Lewis on utube. They really get the points across very well.

    C.S Lewis surprises me a little. Apparently Jr Tolkein ; who was a very devout Catholic indeed, a daily mass goer and communicant was the main instrument of converting Cs Lewis. That being so it is a surprise that he choose to become a Anglican rather than a Catholic. But then again Anglicanism back then was at least Christian; its not now.

     
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  5. padraig

    padraig New Member

    A priest told me a funny thing one time about confession. He said that there are two kinds of people who come to the Sacrament. There are those who come in , tell their sins, get the blessing and leave.

    Which doesn't take long.

    Then there are those who come in , tell their sins and then explain at length why they weren't really sins in the first place.

    ..and that this takes a very,very long time indeed.:);)

    Matthew 21:31

    Which of those two did the will of his father?” They said unto Him, “The first.” Jesus said unto them, “Verily I say unto you, that the publicans and the harlots go into the Kingdom of God before you.


     
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  6. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Well, Lewis was a Belfast Protestant. It would have been emotionally and culturally extremely difficult for him to go the whole hog. However, he became very much an Anglo-Catholic in his beliefs and practice and went to their version of 'Confession' and the like. I have a vague memory that he wouldn't have been a hundred miles away from our notion of Transubstantiation. He was certainly more Christian than most Catholics nowadays.

    He'd be my vote for Irishman of the twentieth century.
     
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