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US to move embassy to Jerusalem

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Josh Kassanchuk, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. Josh Kassanchuk

    Josh Kassanchuk Chucker

  2. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

  3. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    "Abdullah also warned Trump of the decision's repercussions on Middle East security and stability. Abdullah pledged he would thwart any American initiative to renew the peace process and would encourage resistance among Muslims and Christians alike."

    Why would Christians do the bidding of the Muslim king of Jordan?

    Also, not related to this story but nonetheless strange............ France 24 reported that Obama has recently visited India, France and China. He met with the President of China and had a long meeting with Macron in France although what they discussed wasn't disclosed. I think it was in India that he was decrying the decline of US influence in the world because they backed out of the Paris climate change accord. Now, I know that Obama never had much class, but it's simply weird the way he follows Trump around the world like a stalker. What's he up to? I would be concerned, particularly, about his meeting with Macron who was in a Rothschild bank before Holland brought him into politics.
     
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  4. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I believe it was Father Gobbi who said the 7 heads and 10 horns of the Apocolypse (Revelations 13:1) is represented by 7 major Masonic Lodges around the world where the 10 leaders of the Antichrist , represented by the crowns, would govern the world under the AC. Obama could well be one of the 10 'kings' who under the AC rule the world. He is very popular with corupt leaders all around the world.
     
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  5. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I don't feel this is a minor thing. Could it inferiorate the whole Islam world together and attack Israel?

    U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital, Trump Says, Alarming Middle East Leaders
    By MARK LANDLER and DAVID M. HALBFINGERDEC. 5, 2017

    President Trump told Israeli and Arab leaders on Tuesday that he plans to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, a symbolically fraught move that would upend decades of American policy and upset efforts to broker peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

    Mr. Trump is expected to announce his decision on Wednesday, two days after the expiration of a deadline for him to decide whether to keep the American Embassy in Tel Aviv.

    Palestinian officials said Mr. Trump told the president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, that the United States would move the embassy to Jerusalem. Jordan said the president gave a similar message to King Abdullah II.

    American officials, however, said such a move could not occur immediately for logistical reasons, given the lack of facilities to house the embassy staff. As a result, Mr. Trump is expected to sign a national security waiver that would authorize the administration to keep it in Tel Aviv for an additional six months.

    Still, Mr. Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital — and to set in motion an embassy move — is his riskiest foray yet into the thicket of Middle East diplomacy. Arab and European leaders warn that it could derail any peace initiative and even ignite fresh violence in the region.

    King Abdullah II strongly cautioned against the move, “stressing that Jerusalem is the key to achieving peace and stability in the region and the world,” according to a statement from the royal palace in Amman.

    “King Abdullah stressed that the adoption of this resolution will have serious implications for security and stability in the Middle East, and will undermine the efforts of the American administration to resume the peace process and fuel the feelings of Muslims and Christians,” the statement said.

    Few details of the conversation between Mr. Trump and Mr. Abbas were released, but a P.L.O. spokesman said that the call had given shape to the worst fears of Palestinians — that the United States would break with decades of practice and longstanding international consensus by recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    The Palestinians hope to make East Jerusalem the capital of a Palestinian state, and the city is of great religious significance to Jews, Christians and Muslims.
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    “It’s very serious,” said the spokesman, Xavier Abu Eid. “Things look very bad.”

    The Palestinian news agency, WAFA, quoted Mr. Abbas’s spokesman, Nabil Abu Rudeineh, as saying that Mr. Abbas will continue his contacts with world leaders to prevent such “unacceptable action.”

    King Abdullah also spoke with Mr. Abbas, assuring him of Jordan’s support for the Palestinians “in preserving their historic rights in Jerusalem and the need to work together to confront the consequences of this decision,” it said.

    Mr. Trump, officials said, assured Mr. Abbas that the administration would protect Palestinian interests in any peace negotiation with Israel. He also invited the Palestinian leader to visit him in Washington for further consultations.

    In his phone calls with Arab leaders, Mr. Trump is making the case that settling the question of the American Embassy could actually hasten the peace process by removing a thorny political issue that recurs every six months.

    But that is primarily a political problem for Mr. Trump, who promised during the 2016 campaign to move the embassy. His pledge was extremely popular with evangelicals and pro-Israel backers, including the casino magnate Sheldon Adelson. They expressed frustration when Mr. Trump signed the waiver in June, keeping the embassy in Tel Aviv.

    Middle East experts said the administration’s argument that it could not move the embassy immediately made little sense, since all that is required is to place a sign on the existing American consulate, declaring it the embassy.

    For Arab leaders, word that the United States would formally recognize Jerusalem as the capital had already caused great consternation. The symbolic statement of the embassy’s change of address, many officials warned, was actually less damaging to the peace process than changing United States policy on Jerusalem’s status.

    For the United States to move the embassy would break with international consensus that the status of Jerusalem remains unsettled.

    Though Israel houses its parliament, president, prime minister and most ministries in Jerusalem, and Israelis overwhelmingly want the world to acknowledge the Holy City as their seat of government, the international community does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over the city.

    East Jerusalem was captured by Israeli forces during the Arab-Israeli war of 1967. And the permanent status of Jerusalem as a whole, East and West, was postponed under the Oslo Accords, although Israel extended Jerusalem’s municipal borders to encompass the predominantly Arab eastern neighborhoods.
     
  6. Josh Kassanchuk

    Josh Kassanchuk Chucker

    My question with is, will this now allow the 3rd temple to be rebuilt on the mount since Israel will have full claim of the eastern side of Jerusalem?
     
  7. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    I get really confused with all the fighting over Israel and Palestine what with the West Bank, Golan heights and other places that you'd need a magnifying glass to find on a map. Can the US not just locate their embassy in West Jerusalem or is that also a disputed territory?
     
  8. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    No, the rebuilding of the temple is not Catholic understanding.

    www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org
    11/6/07
    "At my death, the veil in the temple was rent in two and the old sacrificial covenant was replaced by my new covenant. My sacrifice on the cross was the final sacrifice for my peoples’ sin. I am the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham. I am the seed of Abraham, the son of David, in whom all the nations of the earth are blessed. My nation of Israel is my church, not the modern nation of Israel. My people are now all those who become part of my church through sanctifying grace. The complete fulfillment of the prophecy from Daniel of the abomination of desolation will occur: when the continual sacrifice of the mass is abolished by the False Prophet and the Anitchrist. Acceptance of the protestant doctrine of the mass by an antipope will be the fulfillment of the prophecy. The temple of God is my Holy Roman Catholic Church. My faithful remnant will be persecuted worldwide with the mass taking place underground. These conditions will be similar to the early persecutions by the Romans. The Roman persecutions were a foreshadowing of the persecution and time of the antichrist. Remember all this will be allowed and take place according to the will of my Father in heaven. Scripture must and will be fulfilled".
     
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  9. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    I don't think that the Church has any official position about whether or not the Jews will rebuild the Temple. At least one of the early Church fathers believed that the Anti-Christ would rebuild the Temple.
     
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  10. Josh Kassanchuk

    Josh Kassanchuk Chucker

    Right, the Catholic Church will be the new Jerusalem.

    I was thinking along the same line as Dolours.

    There is a group that is actively trying to build the 3rd Temple. This may clear the road block to achieve this goal.
     
  11. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Josh,

    Unfortunately, I think that we may see a war over all of this soon. I believe that moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem is not a smart move.

    Like you have stated there is group who has the plans already drawn up for the third temple which may be connected to the antichrist in the future.
     
  12. Muzhik

    Muzhik Archangels

    Obama should be careful. There's some question as to whether or not the level and content of his meetings with the leaders of other countries AND making "proclamations" about American foreign policy, rises to the level of violating the Logan Act. That's the law that prevents private citizens who have not been authorized by the US Government to negotiate with foreign leaders or represent America to these leaders.
     
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  13. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Here is an article on the USA peace plans for the Israelis and Palestinians,

    Jared Kushner at Saban Forum: Israel Needs Peace With Palestinians Before It Can Form Alliance With Arab States December 3, 2017
    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.826542

    PS- I just realized that November 29, 1947, the date of the UN Partition Plan, converts to 16 Kislev 5708 and 16 Kislev 5778 converts to December 4, 2017 - the day following the Supermoon and the Supermoon occurred the evening after Jared Kushner addressed the Saban Forum in Washington to discuss a Middle East peace plan. Israel Celebrates 70 Years since the UN Partition Plan ...
     
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  14. Byron

    Byron Principalities

    Dolores do you know which Church father said that? My understanding has always been that the third temple will never be rebuilt. They may try, but it will never be allowed by God.
     
  15. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    This news somehow smell very much like End of Times, but does anyone know what is the role of Jerusalem in Catholic escathology? Are there any credible prophecy from saints or Church fathers that speak about Jerusalem and the End of Times? I just remember having read something but not sure what or where.
     
  16. Byron

    Byron Principalities

    Tertulian, (Letter of Barnabas), St Augustine - City of God, St Ireneaeus. All wrote of an "intermediate stage before the end of the world."
     
  17. Byron

    Byron Principalities

    Tertulian writes about a divinely built city Jerusalem in the future before heaven. But is that city the physical land of Israel, or is it a spiritual one in the hearts of men?
     
  18. Byron

    Byron Principalities

    Mark Mallett provided the information above.
     
  19. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    He's far too crafty to be caught in the act. Maybe he's touting for a job heading up some international organisation or he could be canvassing for someone else. Although he got to meet the Chinese President, he didn't seem to get the red carpet treatment. With Merkel under pressure at home, Macron fancies himself as leader of Europe. I wouldn't turn my back on either him or Obama unless I was wearing a bullet proof vest.
     
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  20. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    Hippolytus. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0516.htm
    6. Now, as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of His royalty and glory, in the same way have the Scriptures also aforetime spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion; Christ is a king,John 18:37 so Antichrist is also a king. The Saviour was manifested as a lamb; John 1:29 so he too, in like manner, will appear as a lamb, though within he is a wolf. The Saviour came into the World in the circumcision, and he will come in the same manner. The Lord sent apostles among all the nations, and he in like manner will send false apostles. The Saviour gathered together the sheep that were scattered abroad, and he in like manner will bring together a people that is scattered abroad. The Lord gave a seal to those who believed on Him, and he will give one like manner. The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, John 2:19 and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem. And his seductive arts we shall exhibit in what follows. But for the present let us turn to the question in hand.​

    St. Iranaeus said that the AC would reign in the Temple in Jerusalem but I don't know who he believed would rebuild the Temple. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103530.htm
    4. But he indicates the number of the name now, that when this man comes we may avoid him, being aware who he is: the name, however, is suppressed, because it is not worthy of being proclaimed by the Holy Spirit. For if it had been declared by Him, he (Antichrist) might perhaps continue for a long period. But now as he was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the abyss, and goes into perdition, Revelation 17:8 as one who has no existence; so neither has his name been declared, for the name of that which does not exist is not proclaimed. But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Matthew 8:11​
     

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