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Thoughts on Part of a message to Mirjana on 2 Jan 16

Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by Mark Dohle, Jan 11, 2017.

  1. Mark Dohle

    Mark Dohle Principalities

    A reality often hard to believe or understand

    I am expressing my feelings to you:
    my motherly love which carries me to you is inexpressible, mysterious but real.
    My most beloved Son illuminates lives, dispels darkness; and understanding
    and motherly benevolence:

    Part of a message to Mirjana on 2 Jan 16

    The human heart longs for God’s love more than anything I believe. It comes out in our seeking after relationships. Yet the problem with this deep desire is that in order to experience the hearts deepest longing, there has to be trust on some level. Even tentative trust is enough. For it is like the seed that Jesus talked about that is planted in good soil. If trust is not there then growth is not possible.

    How is it that God’s loves us so much? One way of looking at this is that God has no fear, and rejection does not deter the Infinite outpouring of love. It is God’s nature. In some way, I believe that God suffers when we refuse to love Him in return. Jesus is the revelation of the Fathers face for mankind; if this is believed then that revelation of love has to be responded to if one's faith is alive.

    Many people live out of al world view that is often identified as ‘practical atheism’. They live as if God does not exist and will often forgo passing on their faith to their children. Or by their example make the faith something that is done only on Sunday (if that), or for Christmas, Easter, marriages, and funerals. Their religious tradition becomes a function for major events in life, but other than that; useless. The reality of the soul, the inner life is regulated to a place of marginal importance. In the above message Mary states:

    my motherly love which carries me to you is
    inexpressible,mysterious but real.
    My most beloved Son illuminates lives, dispels darkness; and

    I wonder what would happen if people actually took time to delve deep enough to understand what that means. Love in the human realm for me is mysterious, so the love of God is even more so. Yet if I don’t accept love, or believe in it on the human level, I will never experience it until something happens to off-set that. People can come into our lives that can transform us because of a love that is pure and true, even though they see us deeply. So the love of God is something deeper and more intense, yet, if I don’t believe in it, or if I can’t bring myself to trust, then I can put myself in a position where I will not experience it as well. Until, and I believe this happens to everyone, where at a point in their lives the Infinite love of God will in some way manifest itself. A totally free, unmerited gift, often unexpected yet can be life transforming. Like what happened to St. Paul and many others through out history and today as well.

    I do believe that the Blessed Mother is a prophetic figure for the modern world. One of the first things she said when she first started appearing in Medjugorje is this: “I have come to tell you that God exists: Yes, prophetic I believe, indeed.
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  2. sparrow

    sparrow Archangels

    I have experienced, through the lives of some of my own children, how it must feel for God when his children reject Him. Although for God it must be much more intense because of the purity of His love. Our Lady and Jesus have been coming to try and help us learn to have trust and hope and they too must feel so rejected. It is heartbreaking at the very least to have ones own love be misunderstood or rejected. You keep giving people multiple chances until it's obvious that 'tough love' must be used and then they hate you for that too. From a Mother's point of view, you will not give up on your children, even if all you can do is pray. Set the example, love unconditionally and hope one day it bears fruit. I believe Our Lady has been teaching us how to trust, love, hope through Medjugorje, just as all good Mother's would. Her messages need to be studied and lived if we are to learn to trust. Our Lord's messages to St. Faustina were all about trust in His Divine Mercy but a soul must learn to trust. If many more souls took the time to try to live these prophetic messages daily, the world would indeed be a better place. Conversion is a daily struggle - one that is so important to practice!
  3. Mark Dohle

    Mark Dohle Principalities

    Well said Sparrow, thank you.

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  4. padraig

    padraig New Member

    There is a mystery with families.

    I am inclined to think that families either go the heaven together or go to hell together. (In the Light of Eternity, Purgatory is only a little bump in the road, no matter how long.) There are exceptions to this rule of course, but generally speaking this is, I think, the case. We are not born into the family we are born into by accident.

    The fruit never falls far from the tree.
  5. sparrow

    sparrow Archangels

    Are you implying that in most cases, wayward children of a family will be saved by the family's prayers for them, or that wayward children are that way due to a family influence and may drag the whole family down? If you could go a little more in-depth, I would like to understand your comment, thanks padraig...
  6. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Hi Charlene,

    None of us will get to heaven alone or get to hell alone. We are (usually ) going to carry people on our backs above or drag them with us to the flames below. None of us are purely individuals . We are If you like, all of us part of a family. God , The Blessed Trinity is Himself Family made of three parts the Father , Son and Holy Ghost. The Eternal Destiny we are called to is to grow into this family as we are remade by the power of the Holy Spirit into the images of Christ as Children of the Eternal Father.

    Even the Hermit who lives in the Desert and never hears see or speaks to anyone is growing into family. The true hermit is not running away from family but runs towards family.

    People who are Born , as we all are into Salvation History may look like random stones thrown into the Lake of Life , but not so, for it was God who threw the stone and the stone lands exactly were it is placed. The first duty of parents is not the physical well being of their children but the spiritual one. So when God throws the stone and the child is born , the child is subject to prevenient grace. In other words when a child is born into a good Chriiitan family that wil lteach the child to love threw being loved God, through grace is giving the child a hands up. Now if the child responds to that hands up he or she will go to heaven with his or her earthly parents. If the child refuses the hand sup it will go to a deeper place in hell that it would if it had not got the hands up in the first place.

    So as Jesus said:

    Luke 12:48

    Be Ready for Service
    …47That servant who knows his master’s will but does not get ready or follow his instructions will be beaten with many blows. 48But the one who unknowingly does things worthy of punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and from him who has been entrusted with much, even more will be demanded. 49I have come to ignite a fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

    We are all stones thrown into the pond of life , we all cast ripples around us.

    We are part of the Catholic Family. If we fail at what we were sent for we may expect to go the very lowest level of hell. Much was given, much expected. That is why bad Catholics are the worst of the worst.

    Which is why bad priests and Bishops and Cardinals and Popes are the worst of the worst of the worst of the worse.

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  7. padraig

    padraig New Member

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  8. sparrow

    sparrow Archangels

    For the record, my name is Fran ;)
  9. sparrow

    sparrow Archangels

    On the theme of trust... (from St. Faustina)

    The Vessel of Trust


    The graces of My mercy are drawn by means of one vessel only, and that is — trust. The more a soul trusts, the more it will receive. Souls that trust boundlessly are a great comfort to Me, because I pour all the treasures of My graces into them (Diary, 1578).

    My Prayer Response:
    Lord Jesus, expand my capacity to trust in You! So many souls need and want more of Your mercy. Help us with Your mercy to desire more, to ask for more, so we may receive more graces. Fill our hearts with thanksgiving for Your mercy and help us share the graces we receive.
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