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Third Purification by Fire Is Coming

Discussion in 'The mystical and Paranormal' started by garabandal, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    As I have stated, there is not "definitive" statement by the Church on whether there is or is not a 1000 year period of peace after the destruction of the Antichrist. The Church Fathers have spoken loudly to the affirmative on the 1000 year peace. Holy priests of God have discerned as much "The most authoritative view, and the one that appears to be most in harmony with Holy Scripture, is that, after the fall of the Antichrist, the Catholic Church will once again enter upon a period of prosperity and triumph". —Fr. Charles Arminjon (1824-1885), The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life, p. 56-57; Sophia Institute Press.

    One magisterial teaching of the Church has also spoken to the era of peace confirmed in magisterial statements such as that of a theological commission of 1952 that produced The Teaching of the Catholic Church. [6] If before that final end there is to be a period, more or less prolonged, of triumphant sanctity, such a result will be brought about not by the apparition of the person of Christ in Majesty but by the operation of those powers of sanctification which are now at work, the Holy Ghost and the Sacraments of the Church.The Teaching of the Catholic Church: A Summary of Catholic Doctrine [London: Burns Oates & Washbourne, 1952] p. 1140

    It seems you are in the same boat as others however in trying to explain away or completely ignore Revelations 19-20 that speak the and era where the faithful will be with Jesus for 1000 years prior to the release of Satan one last time. Also, I would like to hear from you or those who support the theory of no Middle Era of peace, when and what does the Era of Peace promised at Fatima look like to you? Has it happened? Will it take place after Mary crushes Satan's head (Genesis 3:15)? As scripture clearly teaches his is locked in hell for 1000 years, right? Peter warned the Church: "Be sober and watch: because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, goeth about seeking whom he may devour." [1 Peter 5:8], so clearly Satan has and is still in our midst. When will he be sent to hell for 1000 years? What events sends him, the Antichrist and False prophet to hell?
     
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  2. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Fatima,

    This is what you stated in a previous post of yours yesterday post #10 on this thread,

    "Yes, an Era of 1000 years (figurtive number of a long period if time) of peace as scripture, church Fathers and prophecy attests to. Commonly understood as the Eucharitic reign of Jesus and the Era of the Divine Will that Jesus taught us to pray for in the Lord's prayer. Not to be confused with millenarianism, the false teaching of Jesus physically walking the earth with his people, which some Protestant denominations believe. Jesus will only return in the flesh at the end of the world, after the era of peace, to judge it."

    Do you still believe what you wrote above? If so, I think that you answered many of your own questions which you have asked me in this current post.

    Colin Donovan is stating the same that you stated about 1,000 years yesterday, more or less, this is a "figurative number of a long period of time." Mr. Donovan states, "...1000 years, which is the Hebrew way of indicating an indefinite long time..."

    I will try and answer the questions that you provided Scripture for as best as I can but I have never claimed to understand all of the Scriptures.

    First let's look at a quote from Sister Lucy,

    "The final battle between the Lord and the reign of Satan will be about marriage and the family. Don’t be afraid," she added, "because anyone who operates for the sanctity of marriage and the family will always be contended and opposed in every way, because this is the decisive issue." And then she concluded: "however, Our Lady has already crushed its head." -- words of Sr. Lucia to Cardinal Caffarra https://onepeterfive.com/sister-luc...d-and-satan-will-be-over-family-and-marriage/
    Why do you think that Sister Lucy stated that Our Lady has already crushed its head (Satan's)? I am referring mainly to the word "already" which Sister Lucy used.

    I think that it is possible that what she is referring to is the fact that Satan is bound for a thousand years already stated in this scripture which you highlighted, "And he laid hold on the dragon the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years."

    What do I mean by that. Well, so long as the Holy Mass is being celebrated then, yes, I believe that Satan is bound already. You, yourself, stated that the 1000 year reign of Christ refers to the "Eucharitic reign of Jesus".

    So what does it mean that Satan, "must be loosed a little time". You got it, this means that there will be a time when the Holy Mass will not be celebrated - the time of the abomination of desolation.

    What do you think the following scripture which you also highlighted refers to? "And I saw seats; and they sat upon them; and judgment was given unto them; and the souls of them that were beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and who had not adored the beast nor his image, nor received his character on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

    Personally, I think that this Scripture is speaking of the final judgment but it is also highlighting those who were willing to be martyred for Jesus, etc. comparing them to those who will follow the Antichrist and the spirit of the Antichrist. In addition, I believe it is stating that those who follow Christ will live and reign with him in Heaven for an "indefinite long time", eternity.

    In addition, I cannot answer for Colin Donovan but imho everything that he has stated in regards to the Endtimes appears to coincide with Scripture, although it may not contain all of the details that you are looking for because some things no one is certain of including myself. What I provided here are my own explanations to various questions you have asked in my limited capacity.


    If you would like me to answer any other specific questions about scripture, please post the verse of the scripture directly next to the question so I know exactly what you are referencing and I will do my best to answer your questions. Thank you.
     
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  3. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    I reiterate that Early Church Fathers were millenarianists and millenarianism has been officially condemned by the Church. Belief in it it heresy.

    Fr. Charles Arminjon is about as magisterial as Fr. James Martin, SJ, and I wouldn't believe the Lord's Prayer out of the mouth of Fr. Martin. Come to think of it, some of our current hierarchy aren't big fans of the Lord's Prayer as dictated by Jesus but that's a topic for another thread.

    What you quoted from the Theological Commission of 1952 doesn't support the the claim of a 1,000 years of peace after the defeat of the AC and before the second coming of Jesus.

    I'm in the same boat as the Church which condemns the belief in a temporary reign of peace after the destruction of the Anti-Christ. Lucia of Fatima said that "in the end", Our Lady crushes Satan's head. She didn't say it will happen in the middle, in the second half, in extra time, in the end of the beginning or in the beginning of the end. No, she said "in the end". The end means final.

    As to Fatima, I believe that the fall of the Soviet Union was the reward we got for a very belated and not precisely as requested Consecration of Russia. The full conversion of Russia is to be the reward for prayers for its conversion. Considering how few people pray the Rosary and even fewer pray for the conversion of Russia, I think that Our Lady of Fatima delivered more than we deserved.

    I'm inclined to the view that Satan being chained for 1,000 years means that his power is limited until the full compliment of Gentiles has been brought into the Church. The chains, or restrainer, will be removed when God decides it's time to call it a day and then we will have the final persecution, reign of the AC, destruction of the AC/Jesus coming again, general judgement and eternal happiness in the Beatific Vision/eternal damnation in Hell as God has promised. I think that there will be a period before all that where God will flood us with grace and the Holy Spirit will work overtime giving all men a final chance of salvation by mending their ways and that will happen prior to the untying of Satan's chains and the rise of the Man of Sin/AC.
     
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  4. Byron

    Byron Archangels

    I truly think both Carol and Fatima agree more than they disagree.
     
  5. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    The Church has never condemned the belief of a temporary reign of peace after the destruction of the Antichrist. It has only condemned millenarianism, which is a PHYSICAL/IN THE FLESH WALKING WITH THE FAITHFUL reign of Christ on earth. Let us be clear on this point at least.
     
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  6. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    True, that's the official definition of Millenarianism, but the Catechism says this:

    Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh​

    The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.579 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.580 God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.
    There is no room in the above paragraphs for 1,000 years between God's victory over the "final unleashing of evil" and the Last Judgment. Are you telling me that the Last Judgement happens before the second coming of Jesus?
     
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  7. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I think I see the root of your confusion on millenarianism. No Church Father ever spoke of the physical Christ walking the earth with the faithful. No Church Father's teaching on the 1000 year reign of Christ has ever been rebuked by Church teaching. This is the first error. Secondly, the Church has never condemned nor even argued that Christ could not reign in the spirit or in his Eucharistic presence in a whole new profound and mystical way that was unlike his 33 years in the physical flesh, but more profound than in the current sense of what we understand in Eucharist.
     
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  8. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Well, at least we know what everyone's personal beliefs are to the extent of their more or less acquaintance with all that has been available within the ENTIRE Church disciplines. I would warn though that when using limited parameters of particular private revelations that are meant for a certain period of time within the current era that terms such as "end" or "final" do not extend beyond the intention for that particular revelation....such as in Fatima. This relates only to the extent of the degree Communism is allowed to spread its error.....dependent upon action from the Church which has been derelict in its duties. Thus "in the end" relates only to that which is warned about within that concern of heaven. Whether or not the Church would act to the benefit of saving more souls, on its own, the moment would be forced (late) that would cause the order to be followed....that finally Russia, by name, would be consecrated, but sadly only after what was warned about would and has occurred. This is obvious now in that other visitations by the Mother have had to occur in order to extend Fatima's pleas out into the future....such as Medjugorje, Garabandal and others....with even more dire warnings hinting that now "the cup is overflowing". That is because the earlier instructions were ignored by the Church through which heaven always works to reach Her children.

    Perhaps people should return to the excellent video offerings that began this thread and listen to what the Priest explained which included what the Church, in at least some circles, expects to occur.....expecting the period of peace; fulfilling the Divine Will; restoration in an era of peace of the gifts of our first parents; purification of the world which ends this era and rebirth. The fulfillment of the Divine Will must include the obvious quality of Peace. It's a no brainer. Otherwise everything gets reduced to stopping to pick up a thread on the rug while the house burns down around you. Again, reason used with Faith answers many questions and the Church expects that of her children since we are not slaves awaiting to be told things like "restoration means peace" or "purification by fire must include a better life afterwards" only because of the nature of God Himself. Our Lady has crushed the head of Satan via her Fiat enabling the Son's death on the cross. But what yet awaits is the participation in that sacrifice by Her children and that is carried out in finite time. That's the difference between the dimensions of no time with God while we defective creation must tend to those limitations within our own earthly time's dimension. So the Church speaks continually as one discovers more of what She has accepted in the ever developing interpretations of more contemporary mystics as in the rather all encompassing interpretation of Fr. Iannuzzi's dissertation whether or not individuals have read it or just don't personally like someone they're not all that acquainted with anyway or because he may have reasoned to something outside of what they have long held sacred and fixed.
     
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  9. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Not sure where you got that from. Why is there no room for an era of peace between the fall of Satan, the Antichrist and the False prophet and the end of the world. Scripture clearly teaches us that there is 1000 years that Satan is locked up before he can return for his last battle, which God wins again. The Antichrist and the False prophet are already in hell too (Rev 19-20). Why can't God have a era of peace during this period for the faithful who persevered these times? Why can't he live in a new profound way with the faithful? Not in a physical walking of the earth, but in a whole new spiritual dimension, which he has revealed to many mystics as his Eucharist Reign?
     
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  10. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    I found the following videos from EWTN in which Colin Donovan interviews Desmond Birch. I haven't watched them yet but I thought that some of you may be interested in the them. They should be related to this thread in one way or another because they are entitled, "The Last Things in Time and Eternity". Thes are actually 13 videos, this is the first one.



    This is a link to the other 12 videos along with some other videos which may be interesting,

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYiAQDpueh3JfmrJAkkLEFQ
     
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  11. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    Some Church Fathers certainly believed in the Millennium heresy. From the link posted earlier:
    "Later among Catholics, Bishop Papias of Hierapolis, a disciple of St. John, appeared as an advocate of millenarianism. He claimed to have received his doctrine from contemporaries of the Apostles, and Irenaeus narrates that other "Presbyteri", who had seen and heard the disciple John, learned from him the belief in millenarianism as part of the Lord's doctrine. According to Eusebius (Church History III.39) Papias in his book asserted that the resurrection of the dead would be followed by one thousand years of a visible glorious earthly kingdom of Christ, and according to Irenaeus (Adv. Haereses, V, 33), he taught that the saints too would enjoy a superabundance of earthly pleasures. There will be days in which vines will grow, each with 10,000 branches, and on each branch 10,000 twigs, and on each twig 10,000 shoots, and in each shoot 10,000 clusters, and on each cluster 10,000 grapes, and each grape will produce 216 gallons of wine etc."

    "St. Irenæus of Lyons, a native of Asia Minor, influenced by the companions of St. Polycarp, adopted millenarian ideas, discussing and defending them in his works against the Gnostics (Adv. Haereses, V, 32). He developed this doctrine mainly in opposition to the Gnostics, who rejected all hopes of the Christians in a happy future life, and discerned in the glorious kingdom of Christ on earth principally the prelude to the final, spiritual kingdom of God, the realm of eternal bliss. St. Justin of Rome, the martyr, opposes to the Jews in his Dialogue with Tryphon (ch. 80-1) the tenet of a millennium and asserts that he and the Christians whose belief is correct in every point know that there will be a resurrection of the body and that the newly built and enlarged Jerusalem will last for the space of a thousand years, but he adds that there are many who, though adhering to the pure and pious teachings of Christ, do not believe in it. A witness for the continued belief in millenarianism in the province of Asia is St. Melito, Bishop of Sardes in the second century. He develops the same train of thought as did St. Irenæus."

    "The Roman presbyter Caius (end of the second and beginning of the third century) attacked the millenarians. On the other hand, Hippolytus of Rome defended them and attempted a proof, basing his arguments on the allegorical explanation of the six days of creation as six thousand years, as he had been taught by tradition."

    "In the second half of the fourth century, these doctrines found their last defender in Apollinaris, Bishop of Laodicea and founder of Apollinarism (q.v.). His writings on this subject, have been lost; but St. Basil of Caesarea (Epist. CCLXIII, 4), Epiphanius (Haeres. LXX, 36) and Jerome (In Isai. XVIII) testify to his having been a chiliast. Jerome also adds that many Christians of that time shared the same beliefs; but after that millenarianism found no outspoken champion among the theologians of the Greek Church."​

    You try teaching that the bodies of dead saints will be resurrected and walk the earth for a thousand years before the General Judgement and second coming of Christ and see how quickly you will be condemned. (Well, maybe not by Pope Francis if your saints are living in "irregular" unions.;)). That the Church isn't condemning the Church Fathers who erred doesn't mean that their errors are worthy of belief or form part of the Deposit of Faith.

    The Church teaches that Christ reigns in the spirit of His Eucharist now. We don't need to wait until the destruction of the AC for that to happen. Neither do we need to wait for the destruction of the AC for God to increase His grace in the world resulting in a great revival in faith. That the Church hasn't ruled out what you describe doesn't mean that the Church automatically rules it in.
     
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  12. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    If this is the very Last Thing from Our Catechism,

    Christ's victory over this final unleashing of evil through a cosmic upheaval of this passing world and the Last Judgment,

    it appears that the Church has made a decision on what happens after the Antichrist is defeated. The world passes and there will be a new heaven and a new earth what that means exactly well, again here is what EWTN states when someone asked about this in 2005:

    new heaven and new earth

    Question from z.s on 1/7/2005



    Dear Fr.Echert
    I have question in my mind that I couldn't find answer for, this question is that in the bible in the revelations it says that at the end of time there will be a new heaven and new earth and in the new earth there will be a new Jerusalem where God will live among chosen people, and so why there will be a new heaven and earth and not only a new heaven? and are we going to be in the new heaven or the new earth? and where God will be in the new heaven or new earth? Thank you and God bless you
    p.s. Thank you very much for defending our faith and especially defending our Blessed Mother.


    Answer by Fr. John Echert on 1/15/2005:

    Here follows what the Catechism of the Church teaches on this point, drawing upon biblical texts. Let me preface it by saying the Church knows very little about this Mystery of the Faith yet to take place, except that the word as we know it will be transformed into a form of the world which far transcends what we now have, which suffers from the consequences of sins of mankind.

    *VI. THE HOPE OF THE NEW HEAVEN AND THE NEW EARTH

    1042 At the end of time, the Kingdom of God will come in its fullness. After the universal judgment, the righteous will reign for ever with Christ, glorified in body and soul. The universe itself will be renewed:

    The Church . . . will receive her perfection only in the glory of heaven, when will come the time of the renewal of all things. At that time, together with the human race, the universe itself, which is so closely related to man and which attains its destiny through him, will be perfectly re-established in Christ.631

    1043 Sacred Scripture calls this mysterious renewal, which will transform humanity and the world, "new heavens and a new earth."632 It will be the definitive realization of God's plan to bring under a single head "all things in [Christ], things in heaven and things on earth."633

    1044 In this new universe, the heavenly Jerusalem, God will have his dwelling among men.634 "He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away."635

    1045 For man, this consummation will be the final realization of the unity of the human race, which God willed from creation and of which the pilgrim Church has been "in the nature of sacrament."636 Those who are united with Christ will form the community of the redeemed, "the holy city" of God, "the Bride, the wife of the Lamb."637 She will not be wounded any longer by sin, stains, self-love, that destroy or wound the earthly community.638 The beatific vision, in which God opens himself in an inexhaustible way to the elect, will be the ever-flowing well-spring of happiness, peace, and mutual communion.

    1046 For the cosmos, Revelation affirms the profound common destiny of the material world and man:

    For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God . . . in hope because the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay. . . . We know that the whole creation has been groaning in travail together until now; and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.639

    1047 The visible universe, then, is itself destined to be transformed, "so that the world itself, restored to its original state, facing no further obstacles, should be at the service of the just," sharing their glorification in the risen Jesus Christ.640

    1048 "We know neither the moment of the consummation of the earth and of man, nor the way in which the universe will be transformed. The form of this world, distorted by sin, is passing away, and we are taught that God is preparing a new dwelling and a new earth in which righteousness dwells, in which happiness will fill and surpass all the desires of peace arising in the hearts of men."641

    1049 "Far from diminishing our concern to develop this earth, the expectancy of a new earth should spur us on, for it is here that the body of a new human family grows, foreshadowing in some way the age which is to come. That is why, although we must be careful to distinguish earthly progress clearly from the increase of the kingdom of Christ, such progress is of vital concern to the kingdom of God, insofar as it can contribute to the better ordering of human society."642

    1050 "When we have spread on earth the fruits of our nature and our enterprise . . . according to the command of the Lord and in his Spirit, we will find them once again, cleansed this time from the stain of sin, illuminated and transfigured, when Christ presents to his Father an eternal and universal kingdom."643 God will then be "all in all" in eternal life:644


    True and subsistent life consists in this: the Father, through the Son and in the Holy Spirit, pouring out his heavenly gifts on all things without exception. Thanks to his mercy, we too, men that we are, have received the inalienable promise of eternal life.645

    Father Echert http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=424406
     
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  13. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Did Our Lady at Fatima speak of a period of peace or an era of peace?
     
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  14. Booklady

    Booklady Archangels

    Thank you Carol55, I will spend time tomorrow listening to these.

    Blessings
     
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  15. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    St. Augustine would disagree with you. I'm tired arguing with you about this. Chained does not mean destroyed. First you told me that your version is supported by the writings of Church Councils and papal teaching. Then, when you can't produce anything to support that, your fallback position is that because the Church doesn't specifically rule it out, it must be a teaching of the Church. You seem to believe that the future holds two apocalyptic battles with Satan separated by 1,000 years. You also seem to believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working through the Church to evangelise the world and increase the holiness of the faithful without the total destruction of Satan. I can't for the life of me figure out how the Anti-Christ (Satan), once destroyed, will be undestroyed after 1,000 years to reign on earth for three and a half years before being destroyed again.

    I have no problem with the suggestion that there will be a period when the Church will enjoy freedom to evangelise and the faithful will be filled with the Holy Spirit with the Gospel having been preached to the ends of the earth. I do have a problem with the claim that the Anti-Christ (Satan) must be destroyed to make that possible as though the power of God were somehow restricted by Satan. Chained does not mean destroyed.

    This article from Catholics United for the Faith is written mostly to argue against a Protestant interpretation of the 1,000 years but it explains what I believe better than I can (see the section headed "Amillenialism"): http://www.cuf.org/2004/03/apocalypse-not-now-the-church-the-millennium-and-the-rapture/
     
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  16. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Byron, I think that we all agree on the most important things,

    We believe in one God,
    the Father, the Almighty,
    Maker of all that is, seen and unseen.

    We believe in one Lord,
    Jesus Christ,
    the only Son of God,
    eternally begotten of the Father,
    God from God, Light from Light,
    true
    God from true God,
    begotten, not made, consubstantial
    of one Being with the Father.

    Through him all things were made.

    For us men and for our salvation
    he came down from heaven,
    and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
    and became man.

    For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
    he suffered death and was buried.

    On the third day he rose again
    in accordance with the Scriptures;
    he ascended into heaven
    and is seated at the
    right hand of the Father.

    He
    will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
    and his kingdom
    will have no end.

    We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
    who proceeds from the Father and the Son.

    With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.

    He has spoken through the Prophets.

    We believe in one holy
    catholic and apostolic Church.

    We acknowledge one
    baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

    We look for the resurrection of the dead,
    and the
    life of the world to come. Amen. http://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=495

    Anything else we can figure out is icing on the cake and as Father Wolfe from Sensus Fidelium has stated, "God is in charge", "we're in the Church Militant not the Church cry baby" (I love and need that quote) and "stay in a state a grace" that is the most important thing.









    I believe that we should continue to be "watchmen" and help each other as best we can. ;)

    Our faith is beautiful, it was meant to bring us together and it certainly has brought us to MOG. Let's continue to be the example that Christ is asking us to be.
     
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  17. Mary's child

    Mary's child Archangels

    Thanks Carol, I agree wholeheartedly. I like that quote too and may use it. :)
     
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  18. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Actually it doesn't matter since the Church has included both. Our Lady, within the parameters of Fatima, only controls some kind of time of peace which was intended to prepare for and lead into the New Era or Renewed earth where her Son's mystical humanity is present in all....which of course is a time promised of Peace since He is the Prince of Peace. I mean, after all, does anyone really think that those who have been tested through fire in order to fulfill the Divine Order of things (and through the protection of their consecration to the Immaculate Heart) and bring about a new Garden better than the original one since Satan, the accuser, will not be roaming about this one as before, won't be experiencing the ultimate Peace? It's rather pointless to pick a thread of some type of term that could be translated with different comprehensions according to various cultures limited by their own experiences. The fact that the term "Russia" itself was foreign and misunderstood by the locals of Fatima is a good example of that. At Fatima an emphasis was on wars, or not, to come, and current wars ending and possible annihilation of portions of the world IF certain requirements were not carried out....by the Church. If that had occurred instead, and early on, then the intention of the preparation of more souls, through her Immaculate Heart, would have been able to be accomplished. Without that preparation there has been a loss of souls intended for the time of Peace. If that had happened perhaps even the event of the Warning would not even be necessary! So one "type" extends to the other. For that you need the Peace that is contained within her heart and her Son's sacred Heart....that is a peace beyond just the absence of war, but what is fulfilled in its fullness in the Time to come. "Era" is only a term for some period that is actually outside of our limited comprehension of "time". We shouldn't get stuck on or become negative about the end purpose due to the normal defective human comprehension of our time vs the real intention of Heaven as to how this all is to end.
     
  19. AED

    AED Powers

    Ditto!
     
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  20. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Booklady, Mary's child and AED,

    Your welcome. I haven't watched/listened to all of these videos/audios as I stated but Father Wolfe, Desomond Birch and Colin Donovan have studied the Endtimes far more than I have and I do appreciate their opinions.:LOL: In addition, I think that their statements should be inline with what the Church teaches.
     

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