The Vatican Has Fallen

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  1. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Interesting Our Holy Father Benedict said he would interfere with Pope Francis. I think the civil war has begun.

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  2. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    " no one is stopped from proclaim the truth of faith in a spirit of peace, unity and charity. Misfortune to who will be silent. Misfortune to me if I don't announce the gospel! " "
    Pope Distinguished Benedict XVI and Cardinal Robert Sarah.

    " single becomes even really indispensable so that our approach to God can remain the foundation of our life and express itself. " "
    Pope Distinguished Benedict XVI.

    " in the storm, we, priests, must repeat that we are ready to lose our lives for Christ. Day after day, we give this testimony thanks to the single by which we deliver our lives. " "


    Desecration keep growing in Europe. Recent Acts, on statues of the virgin Mary in French churches, show how these gestures are a barbaric hatred. They call for reactions. Catholic can no longer remain silent. +Rs
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  3. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Ex-pope Benedict wants name removed from controversial book: aide

    VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Former Pope Benedict wants his name removed as co-author of a controversial book on the issue of priestly celibacy, his personal secretary said on Tuesday.

    Archbishop Georg Ganswein told Reuters that, at the former pope’s behest, he had asked the principal author of the book, Cardinal Robert Sarah, to contact the publishers and make the necessary changes.

    The book, “From the Depths of Our Hearts”, is due to be published in France on Wednesday. Excerpts were released at the weekend, angering some Roman Catholic scholars who said Benedict risked destabilizing the reigning Pope Francis.

    It was the latest twist in a saga that has riveted the Roman Catholic world, underscoring the polarization between conservatives and progressives in the 1.3 billion-member Church and prompting fresh debate on the role of a former pontiff.

    Hours earlier, Sarah rejected media accusations that he had used Benedict’s name without authorization and had taken advantage of the frail, 92-year-old ex-pontiff.

    “I solemnly affirm that Benedict XVI knew that our project would take the form of a book. I can say that we exchanged several texts to establish the corrections,” Sarah, 74, wrote on Twitter.

    He later said that in future editions of the book, Benedict would be named as a contributor and not a co-author. “However, the full text remains absolutely unchanged,” he said.
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  4. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Request made to remove Benedict's name from controversial book - Gänswein

    (ANSA) - Vatican City, January 14 - Benedict XVI's personal secretary Georg Gänswein told ANSA on Tuesday that he has requested the former pope's name as the co-author of a controversial new book be removed. In comments in the book presented as being co-authored with Cardinal Robert Sarah, Benedict is quoted as saying that celibacy is of "great significance" as it ensures clergymen can focus on their job. The case has caused controversy as Pope Francis is considering a proposal to allow married men to be ordained in the Amazon region.
    "I can confirm that this morning I acted on instructions from the emeritus pope and I asked Cardinal Robert Sarah to contact the book's publishers and request them to remove Benedict XVI's name as co-author of the book and remove his signature from the introduction and the conclusions too," Gänswein told ANSA. "The pope emeritus knew that the cardinal was preparing a book and he send him a test on the priesthood authorizing him to use it as he wanted.
    "But he did not approve a project for a co-authored book and he had not seen or authorized the cover.
    "It is a misunderstanding that does not raise questions about Cardinal Sarah's good faith". Earlier on Tuesday, Sarah denied that Benedict XVI was unaware that some of his opinions about priestly celibacy would be used in the book. "I solemnly say that Benedict XVI knew that our project would take the form of a book," Sarah said via Twitter. "I can say that we exchanged several drafts to set the corrections". The 92-year-old German became the first pope to resign in almost 600 years when he stepped down in 2013. Sarah added that the book was not an attack on Pope Francis.
    "My attachment to Benedict XVI remains in tact and my obedience to Pope Francis is absolute," he said.

    (And Francis is the author of the confusion that has made all of this clarification necessary!!)
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  5. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    The axe of mercy strikes again. Archbishop Vigano was wise to go into hiding.
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  6. the secretary is such a sellout....what cost, I wonder, how many pieces of silver?
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  7. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    Bree A. Dail's translation of Cardinal Sarah's statement. People are asking what kind of pressure it took for Cardinal Sarah to subsequently agree to Archbishop Ganswein's statement. Lord Jesus Christ, please send St. Michael to protect Cardinal Sarah and Pope Benedict from the wolves.

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  8. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Unholy, all of it, from the wolves.
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  9. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    From whom would you prefer to buy a second-hand car...Sarah or Ganswein?
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  10. AED

    AED Powers

    St Michael defend Cardinal Sarah.
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  11. AED

    AED Powers

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  12. Tanker

    Tanker Archangels

    Exactly right!!!! :D
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  13. BrianK

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  14. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    It would seem that everyone today is just going rogue....for their own personal reasons. It would seem that this publisher wants people to think of "collaboration" in parts as being the same as taking "authorship" of the whole. So heck to what has been explained to them about how the final product came about or the intentions more fully explained by the former Pope. They won't change a thing but seem forced to defend what they are doing anyway.

    Statement from Ignatius Press on From the Depths of Our Hearts

    SAN FRANCISCO — In light of recent developments with respect to the Ignatius Press title “FROM THE DEPTHS OF OUR HEARTS,” Mark Brumley, President of Ignatius Press, issues the following statement:

    “Ignatius Press published the text as we received it from the French publisher Fayard. Fayard is the publisher with whom we have collaborated on three other Cardinal Sarah titles. The text we received indicates the two authors are Benedict XVI and Cardinal Sarah. That text also indicates that Benedict XVI co-authored an introduction and a conclusion with Cardinal Sarah, as well as his own chapter on the priesthood, wherein he describes how his exchanges with Cardinal Sarah gave him the strength to complete what would have gone unfinished.

    Given that, according to Benedict XVI’s correspondence and Cardinal Sarah’s statement, the two men collaborated on this book for several months, that none of the essays have appeared elsewhere, and that a joint work as defined by the Chicago Manual of Style is ‘a work prepared by two or more authors with the intention that their contribution be merged into inseparable or interdependent parts of a unitary whole,’ Ignatius Press considers this a coauthored publication.

    Cardinal Sarah indicates the content of the book remains unchanged. That content, as noted, includes a coauthored introduction, a chapter by Benedict XVI, and a conclusion coauthored by Benedict XVI and Cardinal Sarah.”
  15. earthtoangels

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  16. AED

    AED Powers

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  17. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Our Lady of LaSalette was crying in France back in the 1800's.
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  18. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Secret Vatican letter to bishops:
    Pope’s final doc on Amazon Synod coming within a month

    The Apostolic Exhortation is to have the same name as the preparatory document for the Synod: 'New Paths for the Church and for an Integral Ecology.'
    Tue Jan 14, 2020 - 5:10 pm EST |[​IMG]
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    By John-Henry Westen

    VATICAN, January 14, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – The Pope wants to publish a final document on the Amazon Synod by early February, if not the end of January, according to a confidential Vatican letter sent to bishops of the world dated January 13, 2020.

    The letter, which was leaked to LifeSiteNews and confirmed as authentic, was signed by Cardinal Claudio Hummes, the General Rapporteur of the Synod on the Amazon. It informs the prelates that another letter will come to them in about 10 days with more instructions and that they will be sent an embargoed copy of the exhortation prior to its public release.

    The Apostolic Exhortation is to have the same name as the preparatory document for the Synod: New Paths for the Church and for an Integral Ecology.

    The letter hints at the contents of the final document by providing reading to prepare for the document’s presentation. It suggests that a press conference with the bishop about the new exhortation should include “an indigenous spokesperson if relevant in your area, an experienced pastoral leader (ordained or religious, layman or laywoman), an expert on climate or ecology, and a youth involved in peer ministry.”

    Moreover, the letter also suggests preparation by way of reading documents including:

    Edited to add:

    Jan. 15, 2020
    Cardinal Hummes: Pope’s Pan-Amazon Apostolic Exhortation to Be Published Soon
    In a letter circulated privately to bishops, the Brazilian cardinal advises the document is on schedule to be promulgated later this month or in early February.
    Edward Pentin |
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2020 at 11:25 PM
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  19. Tanker

    Tanker Archangels


    Why do I feel like crying about the Exhortation? Never had to question the soundness of a pope before. But sigh!!
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  20. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It is a difficult one. If the parents are both of the same sex, if the bishops refuse to accept one or both as a parent, while carrying on as usual with normal parents, the risk is that the child of the abnormative parents might not get baptised at all. The baptism of the child is primary. It is horrendous, but the inclusion of the 'genders' on a cert is not vital, but the baptism of a child is. At least not including 'genders' can be modestly interpreted as a non-acceptance of the notion of 'genders' that differ from the two God-given sexes. It would be far worse if the bishops announced they would include the self-declared 'genders' of the 'parents'.
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