The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Cardinal Claudio Hummes (friend of the Pope) had already suggested the priesthood for married men in the Amazon
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...rried-men-priests-comment-20170309-story.html
     
  2. AED

    AED Powers

    Thank you Fatima. You said it much better than I did. So direct and true. A shot in the arm.
     
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  3. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

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  4. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    AED, I wonder if others feel as I do at this time. Perhaps not many, as my nature is as such as one to fight. I have been so convicted of the unchanging truth that it is all I desire. I don't like doing battle with my priests or bishops over the years, but I have not backed down from doing so. I don't desire to be a lone-ranger out there defending my faith for the past 30 years, but no one else around me will do it. I sense at this time that God has given me the courage to stand against those who are practicing apostasy, but I am not out looking for a fight. At one point, the thought of martyrdom was not something that appealed to me, but now I am like..... if God wants me here, nothing with prevail against me, if I have no value left for God in this life than nothing will keep me here. I am completely detached from the things of this world and abandoned to the will of God to the best of my sinful self. I have come to a point where I am sick of the evil, apostasy, lukewarm world and while I am not looking forward to entering into greater apostasy, I no longer want anything of this world. Yet, I have to keep praying and fasting that my loved ones wake up before it is to late. Fight on is all I know now.
     
  5. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    The thing is doctrine does develop, but it cannot change. This is what most do not understand. It is very simple. If a puppy becomes a dog that is development. If a puppy becomes a cat that is change. Church doctrine cannot change, as it comes from God! Church discipline, which comes from man, can change. This is what Pope Francis is doing. He is not developing doctrine, he is changing it. Adultery, Sodomy, Fornication, Masturbation, Pornography, population control, abortion, contraception etc... are all intrinsic evils all doctrines of the faith. This is why they cannot develop, because they have already been defined by sacred scripture and sacred tradition as contrary to truth, to God's love.
     
  6. Booklady

    Booklady La Dolorosa

    I agree, Fatima. I believe that the Fight now is truly spiritual. There is a reason why Our Holy Mother is continually asking us to pray the Rosary and do penance for the souls of others. Many have lost their Faith already, and our prayers may be the only way we can return them to the Faith.

    Be prepared because soon the rosary and other prayers and devotions will be taken away from us. :cry:
     
  7. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    I don't think anyone can take the Rosary from us? Even in the gulags they still had ten fingers.
     
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  8. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    As long as I can count to 10 or have 10 figures I will be able to say the rosary. What many takes away, God will provide. This is where the Antichrist fails. He thinks if he takes away our ability to buy, sell and trade that we will give up to his will. How he forgets that God feeds his children, even out in a desert for 40 years. Where nature fails us, God's grace will suffice. All we need to do is stay faithful, which is something I pray for every day.
     
  9. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    The blog Rorate Caeli took a lot of harsh criticism for their early and harsh opposition to this papacy. Its interesting to re read their early reporting on Pope Francis in light of four years of this papacy:

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    The Horror! A Buenos Aires journalist describes Bergoglio
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    The Horror!
    A Buenos Aires journalist describes Bergoglio

    We have many friends around the world, including in the dear Argentine Republic. And we asked a cherished friend, Marcelo González, of

    Panorama Católico Internacional
    , who knows the Church of Argentina as well as the palm of his hand to send us a report on the new pope. Here it goes:


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    The Archbishop of Buenos Aires kneels down to receive the "blessing"
    of Protestant ministers and Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa - Buenos Aires, 2006
    Of all the unthinkable candidates, Jorge Mario Bergoglio is perhaps the worst. Not because he openly professes doctrines against the faith and morals, but because, judging from his work as Archbishop of Buenos Aires, faith and morals seem to have been irrelevant to him.

    Famous for his inconsistency (at times, for the unintelligibility of his addresses and homilies), accustomed to the use of coarse, demagogical, and ambiguous expressions, it cannot be said that his magisterium is heterodox, but rather non-existent for how confusing it is.

    His entourage in the Buenos Aires Curia, with the exception of a few clerics, has not been characterized by the virtue of their actions. Several are under grave suspicion of moral misbehavior.

    He has not missed any occasion for holding acts in which he lent his Cathedral to Protestants, Muslims, Jews, and even to partisan groups in the name of an impossible and unnecessary interreligious dialogue. He is famous for his meetings with Protestants in the Luna Park arena where, together with preacher of the Pontifical House, Raniero Cantalamessa, he was "blessed" by Protestant ministers, in a common act of worship in which he, in practice, accepted the validity of the "powers" of the TV-pastors.

    This election is incomprehensible: he is not a polyglot, he has no Curial experience, he does not shine for his sanctity, he is loose in doctrine and liturgy, he has not fought against abortion and only very weakly against homosexual "marriage" [approved with practically no opposition from the episcopate], he has no manners to honor the Pontifical Throne. He has never fought for anything else than to remain in positions of power.
    It really cannot be what Benedict wanted for the Church. And he does not seem to have any of the conditions required to continue his work.

    May God help His Church. One can never dismiss, as humanly hard as it may seem, the possibility of a conversion... and, nonetheless, the future terrifies us.

     
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  10. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

  11. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    Beyond horror...:cry:
     
  12. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    Uh...how about answering the four DUBIA questions then?!? Are you being deliberately sarcastic here?!? Or is IRONY completely lost on you?!?


    https://cnstopstories.com/2017/10/1...rch-must-listen-respond-to-peoples-questions/

    Pope on interviews: Church must listen, respond to people’s questions
    Posted on October 17, 2017 by Administrator1

    By Cindy Wooden
    Catholic News Service

    VATICAN CITY (CNS) — Replying to questions and giving interviews are a “pastoral risk” Pope Francis said he is prepared to take, because it is the best way to know and respond to people’s real concerns.

    “I know this can make me vulnerable, but it is a risk I want to take,” the pope wrote in the introduction to a new book collecting transcripts of question-and-answer sessions he has held all over the world.

    The collection in Italian, “Adesso Fate le Vostre Domande” (“Now, Ask Your Questions”), was edited by Jesuit Father Antonio Spadaro and scheduled for release Oct. 19. The pope’s introduction was published Oct. 17 in the Italian newspaper La Repubblica.

    “I want a church that knows how to enter into people’s conversations, that knows how to dialogue,” Pope Francis wrote.

    The model is the Gospel account of the risen Lord’s meeting with the disciples on the road to Emmaus. “The Lord ‘interviews’ the disciples who are walking discouraged,” he said. “For me, the interview is part of this conversation the church is having with men and women today.”

    The interviews and Q&A sessions “always have a pastoral value,” Pope Francis said, and are an important part of his ministry, just like inviting a small group of people to his early morning Mass each day.

    The chapel of the Domus Sanctae Marthae, where he lives, “is, let’s say, my parish. I need that communication with people.”

    And, in interviews, the journalists often ask the questions that are on the minds of the faithful, he said.

    The most regular appointment he has for responding to questions is on the flights back to Rome from his foreign trips when he holds a news conference with the journalists who travel with him.

    “There, too, on those trips, I like to look people in the eye and respond to their questions sincerely,” he wrote. “I know that I have to be prudent, and I hope I am. I always pray to the Holy Spirit before I start listening to the questions and responding.”

    His favorite interviews, he said, are with small, neighborhood newspapers and magazines. “There I feel even more at ease,” the pope said. “In fact, in those cases I really am listening to the questions and concerns of common people. I try to respond spontaneously, in a conversation I hope is understandable, and not with rigid formulas.”

    “For me,” he said, “interviews are a dialogue, not a lesson.”

    Even when the questions are submitted in advance, the pope said he does not prepare his answers. Watching the person ask the question and responding directly is important.

    “Yes, I am afraid of being misinterpreted,” he said. “But, I repeat, I want to run this pastoral risk.”
     
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  13. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

  14. Booklady

    Booklady La Dolorosa

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  15. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    Ok thanks. I must have had a brain block because I was having a hard time grasping what you meant. An amazing story at the link, thanks.
     
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  16. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    That is an amazing story.
    So much courage.

    I also noted at the bottom of that link was a message telling us of the Pope Francis prayer intention for the month.
    I had forgotten all about these silly videos.But they still pump them out.

    This month Pope Francis is praying for the dignity and rights of the Employee and unemployed.
    I wonder what Cardinal Mueller thinks of this one.Since Pope Francis turned 3 of his good workers into the unemployed with no reason given.


     
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  17. CrewDog

    CrewDog Archangels

    Probably past time time to spend less time on PF & Vatican and more time in Prayer/Preparation for our own situations.
    I Pray that Pope Francis and any number of other Christian/Civic "Leaders" have one of those "Road to Damascus" & Come to Jesus Events!
    I pray the same thing for myself .... though a much gentler one than poor St Paul received! :LOL:

    GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
     
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  18. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    How silly. How trite. How embarrassing. Is this the best the tradition that gave us the likes of Joan of Arc and Maximilian Kolbe can come up with?

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  19. AED

    AED Powers

    You are describing very much where I am too although I am praying for real detachment. I am all to aware of my attachment to creature comforts. The Lord is at work in me I know but many miles to go before I sleep--a riff on Robert Frost.
    But basically I just want His Will. His Will is perfect and always for our best good. My anguish is for those I love immersed in the blindness of this wicked age. I can't think too far ahead beyond praying for their salvation and all those other dear ones in my "territory of souls"
     
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  20. AED

    AED Powers

    Too true Crew Dog. MY God give us all that moment when the scales fall from our eyes.
     

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