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The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. padraig

    padraig New Member

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  2. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member


    Pope Francis reappoints Cardinal Burke to Apostolic Signatura
    Staff ReporterSaturday, 30 Sep 2017
    Cardinal Raymond Burke (CNS)
    His appointment comes three years after he was removed as prefect

    Pope Francis has reappointed Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke to the Apostolic Signatura, nearly three years after removing him as prefect.

    The Holy See announced Saturday morning that the American cardinal had been appointed to the Vatican’s highest court along with Cardinal Agostino Vallini, Cardinal Edoardo Menichelli, Archbishop Frans Daneels and Bishop Johannes Willibrordus Maria Hendriks.

    Cardinal Burke served as prefect of the court for six years before being removed in 2014 and appointed cardinal patron of the Order of Malta, a largely ceremonial post. It was highly unusual at the time to remove such a high-ranking cardinal without assigning him comparable responsibilities elsewhere.

    He has since become a strong defender of traditional Church teaching and was one of the four cardinals who signed the ‘dubia’ requesting clarification on Amoris Laetitia.
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  3. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Is Pope Francis starting to hear? I hope that is so, and not merely more confusion.
  4. Adoremus

    Adoremus Archangels

    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer??
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  5. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    Pope re-ups Cardinal Raymond Burke at Vatican’s supreme court

    Pope Francis on Saturday re-appointed American Cardinal Raymond Burke, along with five other clerics, as a member of the Apostolic Signatura, the Vatican's supreme court, thereby extending Burke's term at the body he once led until he was removed by Francis in 2014. Despite disagreements, both Francis and Burke have described impressions of a rupture between the two men as exaggerated.

    ROME - Pope Francis on Saturday renewed the membership of American Cardinal Raymond Burke on the Apostolic Signatura, thereby extending his presence at the Vatican’s supreme court, a body Burke led until he was removed from that position by Francis in 2014.

    At various points, Francis also has removed or failed to reappoint Burke as a member of the Vatican’s powerful Congregation for Bishops and its Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, responsible for liturgical policy.

    Most recently, Burke resigned from a position with the Knights of Malta after helping to engineer the ouster of an official allegedly responsible for involving the organization in a charitable program in Myanmar that included the distribution of condoms, only to see Francis roll back that decision.

    Burke is widely perceived as a critic of Francis on certain key points, above all the pontiff’s cautious opening to Communion for the divorced and civilly remarried in his document Amoris Laetitia. Burke was among four cardinals, two of whom are now deceased, who submitted a list of questions to Francis, called dubia, seeking to end what they described as “grave confusion.”

    Since that time, however, while there’s little indication the disagreement over Amoris has subsided, both Francis and Burke have insisted that impressions of a rupture between the two men are overblown.

    In a recent interview with an Australian journalist, for instance, Burke described media depictions of conflict between himself and the pontiff as a “caricature.”

    “They depict Pope Francis as a wonderful, open person and there’s nothing wrong with that, but they depict me as just the opposite,” he said. “It’s meant in a certain way to advance their own agenda, but the pope is actually not in favor of their agenda.

    “They’re making a caricature of someone who’s asking for clarity about certain matters, they’re saying ‘well, he’s the enemy of the pope’ and he’s trying to build up opposition to the pope, which of course isn’t the case at all,” Burke said.

    In recent months, Burke has also been asked to take on some sensitive Vatican assignments, including being sent to Guam to act as a judge in a case against a former archbishop accused of sexual abuse. While that wasn’t a papal appointment, and it’s not even clear Francis knew about it in advance, the pontiff did nothing to rescind it once it became public.

    Burke was one of six clerics reappointed to the Signatura on Saturday, with the others being Italian Cardinals Agostino Vallini and Edoardo Menichelli, as well as Belgian Archbishop Frans Daneels and Dutch Bishop Johannes Willibrordus Maria Hendriks.

    While Burke’s views on theology, liturgy and politics often have proven controversial over the years, few have ever disputed his abilities as an expert on canon law, meaning the official body of law for the Catholic Church.

    Burke holds a doctoral degree in canon law from Rome’s Gregorian University, and was named the first American “Defender of the Bond,” a senior position, at the Apostolic Signatura by St. Pope John Paul II. Later, Pope emeritus Benedict XVI would name Burke to head the Signatura in 2008.

  6. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come


  7. Booklady

    Booklady Archangels

    Dear Don, it's not that I am in denial of the situation, tragically the opposite is my case, I am too well aware of what has happened, and where we are heading. I guess, to me at this specific time, the wound of the reality of our situation is still too raw to appreciate in the form of humor, and I do appreciate irony and satire. You might say that in my grief I am at the scream stage...

  8. padraig

    padraig New Member

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  9. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Little doubt about it. This puts Cardinal Burke under his thumb and makes it much harder for him to speak out against the pope.
  10. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Bernie Sarnder's, the leader of the Communist Party, supports Pope Francis as a great leader, because of his socialist views and his global economy and populationist views. Say's allot! Say's nothing about his views on Catholic teaching or his views on religion. Could this be because he is not seen by the communists as a contradiction to their atheism? Or is this just another example of "building bridges" with those who oppose God's law?
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2017
  11. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Another place for this "creativity" might be in the Filial Correction thread, Carol.;)
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  12. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member


    Francis Throws a Curveball: Brings Burke Back
    Michael Matt | Editor
    So, what have we here? The Remnant's position on Cardinal Burke is that he's been more effective in neutralizing the errors of Pope Francis as a free agent, if you will—flitting from pillar, to post, to church basements, giving conferences and encouraging the faithful to stay strong--than when he was locked in Rome as head of the Apostolic Signatura.

    Our contention has been that Cardinal Burke in exile was indirectly broadcasting his concerns all across the world, leaving everyone--even the folks at the Vatican--on tenterhooks, wondering what he'd do next.

    Apparently the folks in the Vatican, starting with Pope Francis, saw it the same way. Time to rein in Cardinal Burke. Why? Well, Pope Francis knows a lot about the mafia, so let’s have Michael Corleone explain:
  13. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member


    A Classic Move: Card. Burke reappointed to Vatican High Court

    Cardinal Burke was included among the members of the highest regular court of the Vatican, the Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, in a surprise move by Pope Francis made public today. Others also named today were Cardinals Vallini and Menichelli, and Archbishops Frans Daneels and Hendriks.

    Why would the Pope appoint Burke as a minor member with an almost advisory role to the same Court from which he had been summarily dismissed by Francis himself from the position of Prefect (President, Chief Judge) just three years ago? The same Burke absolutely humiliated in his position as Prelate to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta?

    It is a classic move. Not of Catholicity, but of Italian power politics.

    Congratulations are in order both to the Cardinal and, in particular, to His Holiness. Molto bene, Santità!... Magnifico!
  14. padraig

    padraig New Member

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  15. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Yeah, but what if he goes full Athanasius and is inside the tent pissing in?
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  16. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Does he now need to be accompanied by a food taster?
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  17. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    My husband and I were very blessed to have lived just outside the gates of Mothers monastery, and went every morning before Mass to pray the Liturgy of the Hours with the nuns, Deacon Bill - who taught us how to pray the Hours - his wife Ramona and just a few others, and I can't tell you how absolutely beautiful it was to pray with them! You could feel the love in their hearts for Our Lord in their prayers and songs. It was such an incredible blessing for us! We so miss Mother, but can still watch her past episodes on EWTN.
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  18. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Archangels

    Great blessing
    Great formation of your Faith
  19. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I believe Cardinal Burke is a good man. I trust him . I guess you have to trust someone.

    One thing I would say. Reconciliation is not always a good idea. It is never good to sup with the devil. If you do so you need a very long spoon.

  20. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Archangels

    Thank you for explaining the idea of the very long spoon
    I have been wondering what that meant:eek:

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