The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels


    St. Augustine says emphatically that, however great a bearing the end to be attained may have upon the moral value of an action, nothing in itself wrong may ever be done for the sake of attaining a good end.{8}

    St. Thomas Aquinas quotes and confirms this principle: "Ea, quae secundum se mala, nullo fine bene fieri possunt,"{9} and distinguishes precisely the moral quality, that a human action has in virtue of its immediate object, from the further determination given it by the ultimate end in view; and he lays it down, as absolutely indispensable to the goodness of an action, that both its nature and its end must be good. "Evil proceeds from various defects, but goodness only from perfection and completeness. Hence the will is always bad, if it desires anything bad in itself from the point of view of good, or good from that of evil. For its goodness, however, it is necessary that it should desire the good as good; i.e., that it seeks what is good for the sake of what is good."{10}

    This principle recurs in a stereotype form in handbooks of ethics and serves as a guiding star in special casuistic investigations. Laymann, for instance, says: Circumstantia finis boni nihil confert actui ex obiecto malo, sed relinquit simpliciter et undequaque malum. He bases his statement not only upon St. Augustine, St. Dionysius, and St. Thomas, but also upon St. Paul, who in Romans iii. 8 denounces as a principle worthy of all condemnation: Faciamus mala, ut eveniant bona.{11} In the same way St. Alphonsus declares that, "if the object is immoral and inconsistent with what is naturally reasonable, the action is rendered essentially immoral."{12}

    It is important to notice that, according to all these writers, {13}

    Luther, by his whole disposition and theological tendency, was in far greater danger of infringing upon the absolute character of moral prohibitions. As a nominalistic theologian and a man of strong emotions he was inclined to put pious feelings before reason, and to prefer the positive law of God to the lex aeterna and subjective suggestions to objective rules. If, according to Luther, faith is able to make an inwardly sinful man appear just and holy by the imputation to him of a justice not his own, this same faith must also make it possible to sanctify a sinful action by means of a pious intention. With regard to the Hessian marriage question, Luther, it is well known, said: "What harm would there be if a man, to accomplish better things, and for the sake of the Christian Church, did tell a good thumping lie?" In sanctioning the Landgraf's double marriage, Luther undoubtedly took into account the protection that Philip could extend to the Reformation movement.{14}

    The liberal ethical teaching of modern times openly acknowledges, that to a great extent, the end justifies the means; not indeed every end, but the end of human life -- i.e., the earthly welfare of the individual or of society.

    {8} Contra mendac., n. 18.

    {9} S. theol., I. II, q. 88, a. 6 ad 3.

    {10} Ibid. q. 19, a. 7 ad 3. Cf. ibid., q. 18, a. 4 ad 3: Nihil prohibet actioni habenti unam praedictorum bonitatum deesse aliam. Et secundum hoc contingit actionem, quae est bone secundum speciem suam vel secundum circumstantia, ordinari ad finem malum vel e converso. Non tamen est actia bona simpliciter, nisi omnes bonitates concurrant; quia "quilibet singularis defectus causat malum, bonum autem ex integra causa." Dionys. Areop., De div. nom., 4, 80.

    {11} Theol. mor., I, 2, 9, 7.

    {12} Ibid., (ed. Gaudé), V, tract. praeamb. XXXVII.

    {13} Cf. infra, Part II, Chap. I.

    {14} Cf. N. Paulus, Literar. Beil. der Köln. Volksztg., 1903, No. 18; 1905, No. 21; Reichmann, p. 55, seq.

    https://www3.nd.edu/~maritain/jmc/etext/cmt04.htm#n_36
     
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  2. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

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  3. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    People have failed to comprehend the grave nature of the threat to Catholicism itself posed by this papacy. This spells it out.

    Apostasy
     
  4. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    And it has started'' At the top''
     
  5. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It occurs to me how closely the role of the Catholic lay person is in this situation. Like Mary we take these things away and store them in our hearts. Given the hierarchical nature of the Church which Jesus set in place, much of our role is like Mary to pray and suffer in penance for our Church. To pray for our Pope and Bishops and Cardinals.

    The evil has come right clear out in the open now the deception is over. This much is to the good. Now the Cardinals who stand in the footsteps of the Apostles must go , toe to toe into open battle against them. This will require huge courage and all our prayers.

    But thank God the battle lines are drawn , the principles are in place and we have Mary, Help of Christians to lead us in the coming fight.

    I find myself so much more at peace now that the issues have become so clear. Now that outright battle is about to commence.

    But it lies with the Cardinals to lead us.
     
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  6. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Did anyone see the Archbishop of Dublin on EWTN news? He was in Rome for the launch of something to do with the World Meeting of Families. Listening to him trot out the peripheries patter, my heart sank and convinced me more than ever to take a trip abroad when the Papal circus comes to town. The news programme also had a piece about the new Vatican feminist forum set up to prepare us for women priests. Judging by the make-up of the panel, it's more all religions and none are the same garbage. No prizes for guessing what's coming down the line when they announced that, although set up by the Vatican, the committee will be "independent" in the future. In other words, Catholics will fund it but non-Catholics will control it just as they do other Vatican committees such as the one running population control conferences.

    All this false mercy stuff has nothing to do with supporting Catholicism or promoting the Catholic view of family life. It is, and always has been, about homosexual priests being able to live openly in their gay relationships while remaining in the priesthood. When the Church accepts that a woman can act in persona Christi at the consecration, the "groom" to "her" bride the Church, we will have no grounds for claiming that a marriage between two people of the same sex contradicts the moral law. Now that Pope Francis and his inner circle have made Catholic divorce a done deal, the false mercy train has moved on to the next item on the agenda which was always the ultimate goal. The floodgates have been opened. Marriage, and Christ's relationship with His Church, is being dismantled piece by piece.
     
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  7. Mario

    Mario Powers


    It is dangerous to oversimplify. But then again, God is the most simple of all. I thank the Lord that Dr. Josef Seifert has been able to so succinctly articulate AL's fundamental flaw. And what is that flaw:

    “It can also recognize with sincerity and honesty what for now is the most generous response which can be given to God, and come to see with a certain moral security that it is what God himself is asking amid the concrete complexity of one’s limits, while yet not fully the objective ideal..."

    Can God ask us to sin in order to bring about a good? Case closed!

    Thank you, Brian, for bringing this to our attention.

    Safe in the Barque of Peter!
     
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  8. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

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  9. sunburst

    sunburst Powers

    Could you elaborate a little on this Archbishop's stance on this meeting? I tried to find it on EWTN news but could not. What I did find on youtube was an Archbishop who was very strong against the corruption in the Church against pedophilia
     
  10. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Jarg,

    Thank you for posting this. I think you are correct, this is it. Maybe someone should translate this and create a thread for it so many here don't miss this.
     
  11. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    It was on the spanish and italian news outlets this morning, I am sure it will soon be published on the english catholic outlets during the course of the day.
     
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  12. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinio...ks-like-another-assault-on-the-catholic-faith

    Vatican’s youth synod looks like another assault on the Catholic faith
    Catholic , Pope Francis , Vatican , Youth Synod

    August 24, 2017 (Voice of the Family) – Earlier this year the Synod Secretariat released a preparatory document, and accompanying questionnaire for the world’s bishops, ahead of the October 2018 synod on “Young People, the Faith and Vocational Discernment.”

    It is now clear to all objective observers that the two “synods on the family”, held in 2014 and 2015, were intended from the beginning to try to force changes in Catholic teaching on marriage and the family. The process culminated in the Apostolic Exhortation Amoris Laetitia, promulgated by Pope Francis in April 2016, which contains numerous heretical propositions. The Synod Secretariat continues to be led by the same men who presided over the manipulation of the 2014 and 2015 synods. The President remains Pope Francis, the General Secretary remains Lorenzo Cardinal Baldisseri and the Special Secretary remains Archbishop Bruno Forte.

    After reviewing the preparatory document, which sets the agenda for the period leading up to the October 2018 synod, Voice of the Family wishes to sound an early note of warning about the Secretariat’s plans for the next synod. We know from experience that the content of the preparatory document of a synod, and the answers to the accompanying questionnaire, will have very significant influence on the content of the Instrumentum Laboris and thus on the direction of the synodal debates. It is therefore essential for Catholics to prepare now in order to limit the harm caused by the Synod Secretariat’s attempts at using the “youth synod” to launch yet another assault on the Catholic faith.

    The preparatory document views vocations from a worldly, naturalistic, perspective
    The Church has traditionally used the term “vocation” to indicate a call to holy orders or to the observance of the evangelical counsels in the religious life. Marriage, when elevated to the supernatural order as a sacrament, is also often spoken of as a vocation. The spiritual and temporal good of the family is dependent on all of these states of life being lived out according to God’s design.

    It is therefore of immediate and obvious concern to us that a preparatory document for a synod on the theme “Young People, the Faith and Vocational Discernment” should scarcely speak about any of these supernatural callings. The document instead implies that a vocation is anything that a young person might choose to do. Listed alongside the authentic vocations we find “professions”, “forms of social and civil commitment”, “lifestyle”, “the management of time and money”, “volunteer work” and “service to the needy or involvement in civil and political life”. (Introduction and II.2) Nowhere does the document note the crucial distinction between the authentic vocations and other life choices. When “marriage, ordained ministry, consecrated life” are listed together, in the introduction, as states of life an “etc” is added to suggest that the list could be expanded further. It is perhaps also of significance that marriage is listed first, whereas it is a lesser calling than the religious life and holy orders.

    All of the authentic vocations are ordered to the greater glory of God and the salvation of souls. They are directed towards union with God in this life, and for all eternity, in the beatific vision of heaven. Yet the document doesn’t speak about vocations in this sense at all and makes barely any mention of the sacraments or the life of grace. While repeatedly referring to the “fullness of joy” and the “fullness of life” it fails to define these terms with regard to union with God and eternal life, giving the consistent impression that these are to be understood in a purely natural sense. Indeed, the document presents “vocational discernment” as a “question of how a person is not to waste the opportunities for self-realization” (II.2). We find only one reference to “spiritual life in the next”, and this in a quote from a fifth century Syrian bishop, Philoxenus of Mabbug, who seems to have rejected the definitions of the Council of Chalcedon. Even here the Secretariat cannot present eternal life as an end in itself, but must make it palatable to modern ears by stressing that it is about opening a “person to the full exercise of freedom” (II.Intro).

    In a particularly unsettling passage we read that:

    The Church cannot, nor does she wish to, abandon them [young people] to the isolation and exclusion to which the world exposes them. That young people’s lives might be a good experience; that they do not lose themselves in violence or death; and that disappointment does not imprison and alienate them, all of this has to be of great concern to one who has received life, been baptized in the faith and is aware that these are great gifts. (II. Intro)

    The emphasis here is on young people’s lives being a “good experience” and on their deliverance from temporal evils. There is no indication, here or in the rest of the document, of the reality of spiritual dangers or of eternal damnation, or that the Church’s primary mission is the greater glory of God and the salvation of souls. The Secretariat seems determined to reduce everything to purely natural ends. “Missionary experiences” are no longer about spreading the gospel but are rather about “altruistic service and a fruitful exchange” (III.3). “The rediscovery of pilgrimages” is robbed of supernatural meaning, and rendered only “as a form and manner of proceeding on life’s journey” (III.3). The presence of non-believers is not a spur for evangelisation but only an opportunity for “increased possibilities for fruitful dialogue and mutual enrichment” and “greater listening, respect and dialogue” (I.1).

    The Synod Secretariat has not heeded the command of Christ: “You, therefore, must go out, making disciples of all nations, and baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all the commandments which I have given you” (Mt 28:18-20). There can be no understanding of the purpose of the authentic vocations without an understanding of Our Lord’s “great commission.”

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  13. Pray4peace

    Pray4peace Ave Maria

    :eek: :cry:

    I've seen the name Bruno mentioned a few times...who is he?
     
  14. davidtlig

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  15. Heidi

    Heidi Powers

    That looks really bad.
     
  16. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

  17. Pray4peace

    Pray4peace Ave Maria

  18. Pray4peace

    Pray4peace Ave Maria

     
  19. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    You are right, sorry for the misap, here is the right link to the letter the Pope sent to the Bishops of the region of Buenos Aires (not all of the bishops of Argentina, actually) now published on the Vatican website:

    https://w2.vatican.va/content/franc..._20160905_regione-pastorale-buenos-aires.html

    and here is one of the news outlets that today published it, with a short summary of the Teachings of the Church directly contradicted by Amoris Laetitia (for whomever can read spanish):

    http://infocatolica.com/?t=noticia&cod=30246

    and the diocese of San Luis in Argentina just issued guidelines agaisnt the heretic application of Amoris done by the Buenos Aires bishops (in italian):

    http://www.lanuovabq.it/it/articoli...argentina-una-sfida-sulla-comunione-20840.htm
     
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  20. djmoforegon

    djmoforegon Powers

    I read earlier that since the Vatican has started to lift the veils on their real agenda, many actually feel better and reassured that they are not going crazy and seeing mirages of disobedience. It is out and out apostasy, clear as a bell.

    Thank God for this forum and the spiritual support that it provides.
     
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