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The Triumph

Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by Fatima, Aug 27, 2017.

  1. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    The Marian Dimension of the Storm
    Posted on August 25, 2017 by Mark

    As a hurricane hurtles toward Corpus Christi, Texas (which means “Body of Christ”), my prayers go out to all the people of that state. In the meantime…

    The elect souls will have to fight the Prince of Darkness. It will be a frightening storm — no, not a storm, but a hurricane devastating everything! He even wants to destroy the faith and confidence of the elect. I will always be beside you in the storm that is now brewing. I am your mother. I can help you and I want to! You will see everywhere the light of my Flame of Love sprouting out like a flash of lightning illuminating Heaven and earth, and with which I will inflame even the dark and languid souls! But what sorrow it is for me to have to watch so many of my children throw themselves in hell! —Message from the Blessed Virgin Mary to Elizabeth Kindelmann (1913-1985); approved by Cardinal Péter Erdö, primate of Hungary

    THERE are many sincere and genuine “prophets” in the Protestant churches today. But not surprisingly, there are holes and gaps in some of their “prophetic words” at this hour, precisely because there are holes and gaps in their theological premises. Such a statement is not intended to be inflammatory or triumphalistic, as though “we Catholics” have the corner on God, so to speak. No, the fact is, many Protestant (Evangelical) Christians today have a greater love and devotion to God’s Word than many Catholics, and have cultivated a great zeal, prayer life, faith, and openness to the spontaneity of the Holy Spirit. And thus, Cardinal Ratzinger makes an important qualification of contemporary Protestantism:

    Heresy, for Scripture and the early Church, includes the idea of a personal decision against the unity of the Church,[​IMG] and heresy’s characteristic is pertinacia, the obstinacy of him who persists in his own private way. This, however, cannot be regarded as an appropriate description of the spiritual situation of the Protestant Christian. In the course of a now centuries-old history, Protestantism has made an important contribution to the realization of Christian faith, fulfilling a positive function in the development of the Christian message and, above all, often giving rise to a sincere and profound faith in the individual non-Catholic Christian, whose separation from the Catholic affirmation has nothing to do with the pertinacia characteristic of heresy… The conclusion is inescapable, then: Protestantism today is something different from heresy in the traditional sense, a phenomenon whose true theological place has not yet been determined. —Cardinal Ratzinger (POPE BENEDICT XVI), The Meaning of Christian Brotherhood, pp. 87-88

    Perhaps it would serve the body of Christ better to do away with the self-imposed categories of “Protestant prophecy” vs “Catholic prophecy.” For an authentic prophetic word from the Holy Spirit is neither “Catholic” nor “Protestant”, but simply a word to all God’s children. That said, we cannot as easily do away with the real theological divisions that persist that at times do great harm to both private and Public Revelation, either casting God’s Word into a false interpretation or leaving it greatly impoverished. A few examples come to mind, such as those “prophecies” that depict the Catholic Church as the whore of Babylon, the Pope as a “false prophet,” and Mary as a pagan goddess. These are no little distortions, which in fact, have led many souls to even abandon their Catholic faith for a more subjective (and thus precarious) religious experience.

    Furthermore, these distortions have, in many instances, left out the most important aspects of the Great Storm that is upon us: that is, the triumph that is coming. Indeed, some of the most authentic voices in the Evangelical realm almost entirely focus on the coming “judgment” of America and the world. But there is so much more, so much more! But you won’t hear about it in Evangelical circles precisely because the triumph that is coming revolves around the “woman clothed in the sun”, the Blessed Virgin Mary.


    From the beginning, in Genesis, we read how Satan will do battle with this “woman.” And the serpent will be defeated through her “offspring.”

    I will put enmity between you [Satan] and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; they will strike at your head, while you strike at their hee[​IMG]l. (Gen 3:15)

    It is impossible to separate the mother from the offspring—the child’s victory is also its mother’s. This is realized for Mary at the foot of the Cross when her Son, whom she carried into the world through her fiat, defeats the powers of darkness:

    …despoiling the principalities and the powers, he made a public spectacle of them, leading them away in triumph by it. (Col 2:15)

    And yet, Jesus made it eminently clear that His followers, His body, would likewise share in the despoiling of principalities and powers:

    Behold, I have given you the power ‘to tread upon serpents’ and scorpions and upon the full force of the enemy and nothing will harm you. (Luke 10:19)

    How can we not see this as the fulfillment of Genesis 3:15 in which the Woman’s offspring is prophesied to “strike at [Satan’s] head”? Yet, one may ask how it is possible that Christians today are this woman’s “offspring” also? But are we not Christ’s “brother” or “sister”? If so, do we not, then, have a common mother? If He is the “head” and we are His “body”, did Mary give birth only to a head or to a whole body? Let Jesus Himself answer the question:[​IMG]

    When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple there whom he loved, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son.” Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home. (John 19:26-27)

    Saint John Paul II notes the significance of the title “Woman” with which Jesus addresses Mary—it is a deliberate echo of the “woman” of Genesis—she who was called Eve…

    …because she was the mother of all the living. (Gen 3:20)
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  2. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    The words uttered by Jesus from the Cross signify that the motherhood of her who bore Christ finds a “new” continuation in the Church and through the Church, symbolized and represented by John. In this way, she who as the one “full of grace” was brought into the mystery of Christ in order to be his Mother and thus the Holy Mother of God, through the Church remains in that mystery as “the woman” spoken of by the Book of Genesis (3:15) at the beginning and by the Apocalypse (12:1) at the end of the history of salvation. —JOHN PAUL II, Redemptoris Mater, n. 24

    Indeed, in the passage of Revelation 12 describing the “woman clothed in the sun”, we read:

    She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth… Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. (Rev 12:2, 4-5)

    Who is this child? Jesus, of course. But then Jesus has this to say:

    To the victor, who keeps to my ways until the end, I will give authority over the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod… (Rev 2:26-27)

    The “child” whom this Woman bears, then, is both Christ the head and His body.


    How do[​IMG]es Mary “give birth” to us? It goes without saying that her motherhood to us is spiritual in nature. Even Martin Luther perceived this:

    Mary is the Mother of Jesus and the Mother of all of us even though it was Christ alone who reposed on her knees… If he is ours, we ought to be in his situation; there where he is, we ought also to be and all that he has ought to be ours, and his mother is also our mother. —Martin Luther, Christmas Sermon, 1529.

    The Church was conceived, so to speak, beneath the Cross. There, a profound symbolism takes place that mirrors the marital act of consummation. For Mary, by perfect obedience, “opens” her heart completely to the will of God. And Jesus, by his perfect obedience, “opens” His heart for the salvation of humanity, which is the will of the Father. Blood and water gushes forth as though “seeding” the Heart of Mary. The Two Hearts are one, and in this profound union in the Divine Will, the Church is conceived: “Woman, behold your son.” It is then, at Pentecost—after the labor of waiting and prayer—that the Church is born in the presence of Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit:

    And so, in the redemptive economy of grace, brought about through the action of the Holy Spirit, there is a unique correspondence between the moment of the Incarnation of the Word and the moment of the birth of the Church. The person who links these two moments is Mary: Mary at Nazareth and Mary in the Upper Room at Jerusalem. In both cases her discreet yet essential [​IMG]presence indicates the path of “birth from the Holy Spirit.” Thus she who is present in the mystery of Christ as Mother becomes—by the will of the Son and the power of the Holy Spirit—present in the mystery of the Church. In the Church too she continues to be a maternal presence, as is shown by the words spoken from the Cross: “Woman, behold your son!”; “Behold, your mother.” —SAINT JOHN PAUL II, Redemptoris Mater, n. 24

    Really, Pentecost is a continuation of the Annunciation when Mary was first overshadowed by the Holy Spirit in order to conceive and give birth to a Son. Likewise, what began at Pentecost continues today as more souls are “born again” of Spirit and water—the waters of Baptism that flowed from the Heart of Christ through the Heart of Mary “full of grace” so that she would continue to participate in the birth of the People of God. The genesis of the Incarnation continues as the means by which the Body of Christ is born:

    That is the way Jesus is always conceived. That is the way He is reproduced in souls. He is always the fruit of heaven and earth. Two artisans must concur in the work that is at once God’s masterpiece and humanity’s supreme product: the Holy Spirit and the most holy Virgin Mary… for they are the only ones who can reproduce Christ. —Arch. Luis M. Martinez, The Sanctifier, p. 6

    [​IMG]The implications of this profound presence of Mary—by God’s design and free will—places this Woman alongside her Son at the center of salvation history. That is to say, that God not only willed to enter into time and history through a woman, but intends to complete Redemption in the same manner.

    On this universal level, if victory comes it will be brought by Mary. Christ will conquer through her because He wants the Church’s victories now and in the future to be linked to her… —POPE JOHN PAUL II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope, p. 221

    Thus is exposed the “gap” in Protestant prophecy, and that is that this Woman has a role in giving birth to the entire People of God in order to further the reign of God on earth, the reign of the Divine Will “on earth as it is in heaven” before the end of human history. [1] And this is essentially what was described in Genesis 3:15:[​IMG] that the Woman’s offspring will crush the serpent’s head—Satan, the “incarnation” of disobedience. This is precisely what St. John foresaw in the last age of the world:

    Then I saw an angel come down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the abyss and a heavy chain. He seized the dragon, the ancient serpent, which is the Devil or Satan, and tied it up for a thousand years and threw it into the abyss, which he locked over it and sealed, so that it could no longer lead the nations astray until the thousand years are completed. After this, it is to be released for a short time. Then I saw thrones; those who sat on them were entrusted with judgment. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image nor had accepted its mark on their foreheads or hands. They came to life and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years. (Rev 20:1-4)
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  3. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Thus, the key to understanding the “end times” lies precisely in understanding the role of Mary, who is a prototype and mirror of the Church.

    Knowledge of the true Catholic doctrine regarding the Blessed Virgin Mary will always be a key to the exact understanding of the mystery of Christ and of the Church. —POPE PAUL VI, Discourse of 21 November 1964: AAS 56 (1964) 1015

    The Blessed Mother becomes for us not only a sign and real [​IMG]hope of what we are to become, but a mirror of what we already are:

    At once virgin and mother, Mary is the symbol and the most perfect realization of the Church: “the Church indeed. . . by receiving the word of God in faith becomes herself a mother. By preaching and Baptism she brings forth sons, who are conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of God, to a new and immortal life. She herself is a virgin, who keeps in its entirety and purity the faith she pledged to her spouse.”Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 507

    Thus, the coming triumph of Mary is at once the triumph of the Church. [2] Lose this key, and you lose the fullness of the prophetic message that God wants His children to hear today—both Protestants and Catholics.

    Two-thirds of the world is lost and the other part must pray and make reparation for the Lord to take pity. The devil wants to have full domination over the earth. He wants to destroy. The earth is in great danger… At these moments all humanity is hanging by a thread. If the thread breaks, many will be those who do not reach salvation… Hurry because time is running out; there will be no room for those who delay in coming!… The weapon that has the greatest influence on evil is to say the Rosary… —Our Lady to Gladys Herminia Quiroga of Argentina, approved on May 22nd, 2016 by Bishop Hector Sabatino Cardelli
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  4. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    I've just been sent this information which is from the Medjugorje website, MaryTV.

    It simply reports that visionary Marija, during a service in St Stephen's Cathedral in Vienna in October this year, stated that 'the triumph of the Immaculate Heart will happen this year':

    Marija speaks in St. Stephen's Cathedral on October 24, 2017

    Dear Mary TV Family!

    Mary Kemper recently sent me this email:

    "Hi! Not to get too excited about this, but I had time to listen to Marija's testimony from Oct. 24th and at the 1:27 (one hour and 27 minute marker) the translator said something to the effect that Marija said that she believed this year the triumph of the Immaculate Heart will happen. I probably didn't hear that correctly, but I am wondering what you think? I have followed along with these apparitions from at least 1988 to some extent and am about the same age as the visionaries. Wow after all this time and when it seems like endless gloom then to think that the triumph will happen this year.................................................... Please listen and tell me what you think. No doubt that I am probably reading way more into the remark than what was intended. But shouldn't that remark be highlighted or commented on or should we let it pass so as not to give people false hope. I would love to hear what your remarks are about that. Thank you so much for your vital broadcasts.
    thanks, Mary Kemper"

    Thank you, Mary, for raising this question. Marija actually did say that!
    You can hear her comment at the 1:27 in this video: (Evening of Prayer 2017)
    http://marytv.tv/?page_id=2620 .

    Our English translator's words were confirmed by friends fluent in Italian, English and Croatian sitting close to Marija in St. Stephens Cathedral on October 24th.
    I don't think you can get too excited about it.

    More than a quarter of a century ago Our Lady told us through her message to Marija:"My plan has begun to be realized!" She concluded that August 25, 1991 message (referred to by Marija in her talk in Vienna) "Let us pray that everything I have begun be fully realized!"*

    No wonder four years earlier Satan had offered to give back to God the rest of the world in exchange for Medjugorje!!!

    He's terrified.

    Twenty years ago Our Lady told us: "THIS TIME IS MY TIME!"

    You better believe I think Marija meant to tell us exactly that, though she didn't say that Our Lady told her that, and I don't think she necessarily meant by December 31, 2017

    With heaven fighting for us how can it not happen?

    "Dear children! With great joy, today I am carrying my Son Jesus to you, for Him to give you His peace. Open your hearts, little children, and be joyful that you can receive it. Heaven is with you and is fighting for peace in your hearts, in the families and in the world; and you, little children, help with your prayers for it to be so. I bless you with my Son Jesus and call you not to lose hope; and for your gaze and heart to always be directed towards Heaven and eternity. In this way, you will be open to God and to His plans. Thank you for having responded to my call." (December 25, 2016 message)

    Mary TV - by keeping our families and homes connected to Medjugorje - is helping us keep our gaze and heart directed towards heaven and eternity. I want to thank Rob, Colleen, Nancy, Bill, Pat and all of you who are helping Mary TV by your prayers and donations to make it possible for Mary TV to continue.... especially now that Our Lady tells us: "Be ready! This is a turning point!"

    God bless you!
    Denis Nolan

  5. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Yes, this was reported by another member in the thread "Signs".

    I went to the 1:27 mark in the video below when Marija allegedly says this. I can understand Italian but couldn´t really make out what she says because the English translator speaks at the same time - and she (the translator) seems to get slightly confused (maybe she couldn´t believe what she was hearing;)). Marija is definitely talking about the triumph.

    The translator says: I believe that this year the immaculate heart of Mary will triumph.

    But the question is: Did Marija really say "this year".

    Maybe someone else can check it out and clarify.

    Last edited: Nov 14, 2017
  6. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    I'm responding to Dean's post from the 'Signs' thread because that thread has so many different topics on it.

    I find the report of what Marija said in the Cathedral in Vienna most interesting. More than interesting! I look forward to further commentary on the matter but if accurate (and if Marija is correct!) my expectation would be an imminent Warning of the nature of the Garabandal Warning.

    For me, the Garabandal Warning will remove the power of Satan because no person will be unaware of the reality of God, after it. This would be Our Lady's triumph.
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  7. ComeSoon!

    ComeSoon! Mercy & Discernment

    Now I find this quite interested in relationship to this particular thread!

    This was posted on Afterthewarning Nov 8, Our Lady of Zaro.

    "This evening, Mother appeared as Queen and Mother of all peoples.
    Mother had on a rose-colored dress and a large blue-blue mantle enveloped her; even her head was covered by the large mantle. Around her waist a golden belt could be seen. Her bare feet were placed on a great carpet of flowers. Mother had her arms open in a sign of welcome. In her right hand she had the holy rosary; it was made of light, illuminating everything. In her left hand she had a half-open scroll, with a seal hanging from one side ... (it was as if half-open).
    Mother had a queen's crown and her face was sad."
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  8. Dean

    Dean Archangels

    So someone who knows about these more than me can help here too. IF this is true, how do the 10 secrets play in, don't they need to be revealed?
  9. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Surely the 10 secrets have to play in the events prior to unfolding. I have been waiting patiently for the release of the secrets at any moment, as the world is inching ever so close to collapse now. Wait, watch and pray.
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  10. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    I see no reason whatever to think that any of the Medjugorje secrets have to occur before the Warning. I realise that it has often been suggested that the Warning must be one of the early secrets but I do not believe there is any specific evidence to point that way.
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  11. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    True, but if other credible prophecies come to fruition then millions upon millions will die before the warning from "things being at their worst". God desires not one soul to be lost in hell for all eternity and knowing this, it would seem many souls will be lost "for lack of knowledge" prior to the warning. Only God knows.
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  12. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    The Akita prophecies certainly speak of the deaths of a large proportion of humanity but, for me, this will be part of the chastisement of Garabandal which comes after the Warning and the Miracle.

    Mankind will have some time to respond to the Warning before the chastisement.
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  13. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    A Medjugorje blog is quoting (from MaryTV) the actual words of Marija:

    As Our Lady said : "God has allowed me to be among you", and we would like to thank Our Lady for her presence in Medjugorje. She is still with us. And we would like to say thank you to Our Lady for being with us, and to thank her for not leaving us. She has allowed us to be close to her, and that she allowed us to fall in love with her, and that she brought us to her son because she has the most love for her son. She always speaks about her son. She brings us Jesus. She is carrying him, and that is what we will do as well (they were going to have the Eucharist at Mass after the recitation of the Rosary). When we all love the son, at that point the world changes and then peace will reign. And I believe that this year, the Immaculate Heart of Mary will triumph. Our Lady said to us that she will not leave us alone.
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  14. ComeSoon!

    ComeSoon! Mercy & Discernment

    My strong understanding is the Warning is the same Illumination of Conscience foretold by St Faustina. This has been prophesied for centuries apparently. I just find it unfortunate knowledge of it is not at all in mainstream Catholic circles. (fear of panic?)
  15. Sam

    Sam Archangels

    Spring, 1983:

    "Hasten your conversion. Do not await the sign which has been announced for those who do not believe; it will be too late. You who believe, be converted and deepen your faith."

    April 25, 1983:

    "Be converted! It will be too late when the sign comes. Beforehand, several warnings will be given to the world. Hurry to be converted. I need your prayers and your penance.

    "My heart is burning with love for you. For you it is enough to be converted. To ask questions is unimportant. Be converted. Hurry to proclaim it. Tell everyone that it is my wish, and that I do not cease repeating it. Be converted, be converted. It is not difficult for me to suffer for you. I beg you, be converted.

    "I will pray to my Son to spare you the punishment. Be converted without delay. You do not know the plans of God; you will not be able to know them. You will not know what God will send, nor what He will do. I ask you only to be converted. That is what I wish. Be converted! Be ready for everything, but be converted. That is part of conversion. Goodbye, and may peace be with you."

    Part of a message to To Mirjana, at Sarajevo January 28, 1987:

    Concerning the secrets, my children, these are not known by the people. But when they will learn of them, it will be too late. Return to prayer! There is nothing more important! I would dearly wish that the Lord would permit me to enlighten you a little more on these secrets, but the grace which is offered to you is already great enough.

  16. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    In response to these quotes which do point out that leaving conversion until the Warning is a mistake, we shouldn't think that Our Lady's words meant that people will not convert after the Warning. No, that is the purpose of the Warning - to bring people back to God. But it will be too late for people to fully learn about God and come to love Him (in this life). It seems events will happen fairly quickly after the Warning.
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  17. Sam

    Sam Archangels

    In the quotes Our Lady says do not leave conversion until the sign-the permanent sign that will be left. Many will convert after the warning. We must really pray for the conversion of sinners, that they will have true sorrow for their sins and repent at the warning.
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  18. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Total conversion is rarely instantaneous.

    Bad habits of sin are difficult to overcome because they need to be replaced by virtue. And this can take a long time.

    When the permanent sign comes habitual sinners even though they repent and turn to God will not have the time required to truly convert and live holy lives - as you say events will probably move swiftly.

    Repentance and sorrow for sin are not the same thing as conversion. The former is the beginning for the latter!

    But we still live in a time of grace & we still have time to convert away from sin and towards virtue. But time may be short, who really knows?
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  19. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Venezuela mystic, Servant of God Maria Esperanza (1928-2004), also framed this coming grace as a sifting:

    The consciences of this beloved people must be violently shaken so that they may “put their house in order”… A great moment is approaching, a great day of light… it is the hour of decision for mankind.Antichrist and the End Times, Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi, P. 37 (Volume 15-n.2, Featured Article from www.sign.org)
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  20. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    And I believe it is referred to by Vassula as the "purification".

    She claims she went through it in the 1980's when she began receiving her alleged messages from Our Lord.

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