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The Third Secret of Fatima

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by padraig, May 18, 2017.

  1. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    https://onepeterfive.com/chief-exorcist-father-amorth-padre-pio-knew-the-third-secret/

    Chief Exorcist Father Amorth: Padre Pio Knew The Third Secret
    Maike Hickson May 23, 2017 2 Comments
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    Father Gabriele Amorth

    In a recent article on the Secret of Fatima, Steve Skojec, the founder and editor of OnePeterFive, published, to my knowledge, for the first time in the English language words from Rome’s chief exorcist, Father Gabriele Amorth (d. 2016), about Padre Pio and his knowledge of the Third Secret of Fatima. They come from a newly published book written by José María Zavala, entitled The Best Kept Secret of Fatima (El Sécreto Mejor Guardado de Fátima). OnePeterFive‘s contributor, Mr. Andrew Guernsey, was very helpful in finding these quotes. Since Mr. Skojec’s own article is somewhat lengthy, many readers may not have realized the importance of this interview with Father Amorth, which was only to be published after the priest’s death. In the following, I shall quote extensively from Steve’s own post which first speaks about Father Amorth’s own conviction that the specific Consecration of Russia has not yet taken place, and then enters into the larger discussion about Fatima:

    It [a piece of the Fatima puzzle] came in the form of an interview with the very famous (and now deceased) Roman exorcist, Fr. Gabriel Amorth, also conducted by José María Zavala. Fr. Amorth personally knew Saint (Padre) Pio for 26 years, and it is from this towering figure of 20th century Catholic sanctity that he claims to have learned the contents of the Third Secret of Fatima.

    Fr. Amorth was interviewed by Zavala in 2011, who kept the interview secret until after the exorcist’s death, publishing it for the first time in his book about Fatima. In the interview, Fr. Amorth relates — as he has done elsewhere — that he does not believe the consecration of the world by Pope John Paul II in 1984 was sufficient to satisfy the requirements set forth by Our Lady.

    “There was no such consecration then,” he [Father Amorth] says. “I witnessed the act. I was in St. Peter’s Square that Sunday afternoon, very close to the Pope; so close, I could almost touch him.”

    Pressed by Zavala as to why he so forcefully believes that the consecration was not done, Fr. Amorth replied: “Very simple: John Paul II wanted to mention Russia expressly, but in the end he did not.”

    Zavala pressed the issue with Fr. Amorth, saying that Sister Lucia herself (as mentioned above) had said that Heaven had accepted the consecration. He describes an incredulous reaction from Fr. Amorth. “Lucia said that…?” He asked. Zavala continues:

    “Well, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said it, in the year 2000, hiding behind a letter [escudándose en una carta] from Lucia dated November 1989, in which she stated that Heaven had admitted consecration in spite of one of the most important conditions.

    “Have you seen that letter?” He asks, as if conducting a police interrogation in search of evidence.

    “Never,” I say flatly.

    “I do not think you’ll ever see it, because I’m convinced that Lucia did not write it.”

    “How are you so sure of that?”

    “Why didn’t Bertone show it when he should have, when he announced the Third Secret of Fatima? A simple photocopy of the manuscript, included in the official dossier of the Vatican, would have been sufficient to dispel any doubt. If the Vatican has always been scrupulous in providing the documentary proof that authenticated the information by Lucia on minor matters, what reason would they have to skimp on the only documentary evidence that, according to Bertone, validated a fact that without doubt was of as much importance as the consecration performed by John Paul II?

    “Yes, it’s weird,” I admit.

    “You really think Lucia took five years to write that the consecration had been truly accepted? And that Bertone waited no less than sixteen years to announce the validity of something so crucial as the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?” Father Amorth’s voice sounds like dry leaves.

    “It’s all very strange, in truth.” I [Zavala] nod again.

    “Moreover,” he adds, “if the consecration of the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary made by Pius XII in 1942 was only partially accepted [because he did not specifically mention Russia – ed], for Jesus said that in view of it the war would only be shortened rather than finished immediately, why would He now change his mind with John Paul II, if Russia was not mentioned on this occasion?”

    “It would be an incongruity, yes.”

    “Rather.”

    “So…?”

    “I have no doubt that the consecration did not occur on the terms required by the Virgin. But we must not lose sight of what she herself wanted to tell us through Lucia: ‘In the end My Heart Immaculate will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me and it will become [come to be], [thereby] granting itself to the world a time of peace’…”

    The interview digresses here from the topic of Fatima, but Zavala returns to it again later:

    Forgive me for insisting on the Third Secret of Fatima: Did Padre Pio relate it, then, to the loss of faith within the Church?”

    Fr. Gabriele furrows his brow and sticks out his chin. He seems very affected.

    “Indeed,” he states, “One day Padre Pio said to me very sorrowfully: ‘You know, Gabriele? It is Satan who has been introduced into the bosom of the Church and within a very short time will come to rule a false Church.’”

    “Oh my God! Some kind of Antichrist! When did he prophesy this to you?” I [Zavala] ask.

    “It must have been about 1960, since I was already a priest then.”

    “Was that why John XXIII had such a panic about publishing the Third Secret of Fatima, so that the people wouldn’t think that he was the anti-pope or whatever it was …?”

    A slight but knowing smile curls the lips of Father Amorth.

    Did Padre Pio say anything else to you about future catastrophes: earthquakes, floods, wars, epidemics, hunger …? Did he allude to the same plagues prophesied in the Holy Scriptures?” [asks Mr. Zavala]

    Nothing of the sort mattered to him, however terrifying they proved to be, except for the great apostasy within the Church. This was the issue that really tormented him and for which he prayed and offered a great part of his suffering, crucified out of love.” [says Fr. Amorth]

    The Third Secret of Fatima?”

    Exactly.

    “Is there any way to avoid something so terrible, Fr. Gabriele?”

    There is hope, but it’s useless if it’s not accompanied by works. Let us begin by consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, let us recite the Holy Rosary, let us all do prayer and penance …” [emphasis added]

    Thus ends Steve Skojec’s own presentation of certain passages of the new Zavala book on Fatima.

    Father Amorth is a witness here to what Padre Pio – whom he first met when he himself was a seventeen-year-old young man – told him directly and personally. Father Amorth states in that same interview that Padre Pio even let him sometimes read his own spiritual diary.

    As we reported earlier, Father Amorth had also already stated during his lifetime that he did not believe that the Consecration of Russia has taken place (a statement which was just confirmed by Cardinal Paul Josef Cordes). In December of 2015, Father Amorth had said:

    The Consecration has not yet been made. I was there on March 25 [1984] in St. Peter’s Square, I was in the front row, practically within touching distance of the Holy Father. [Pope] John Paul II wanted to consecrate Russia, but his entourage did not, fearing that the Orthodox would be antagonized, and they almost thwarted him. Therefore, when His Holiness consecrated the world on his knees, he added a sentence not included in the distributed version that instead said to consecrate “especially those nations of which you yourself have asked for their consecration.” So, indirectly, this included Russia. However, a specific consecration has not yet been made. You can always do it. Indeed, it will certainly be done…

    As with other spiritual sons of Padre Pio – Dr. Ingo Dollinger and Father Luigi Villa, for example – it seems that Padre Pio is still effectively with us, working through those whom he met and guided while still on earth. It seems to be part of his legacy to help us in these difficult times. Let us then pray to Padre Pio of Pietrelcina and ask for his intercession!
     
  2. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Just out of curiosity I looked up the meaning of the name Fatima. It is funny I hadn't heard it ever mentioned before.
    Interestingly it had a few different meanings.

    Meaning 1: "The shining one"
    Meaning 2: "She who weans an infant"
    Meaning 3: "She who abstains from forbidden things"

    Coincidence that all of these fit the Virgin Mary?
     
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  3. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Father Amorth: “Well, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said it, in the year 2000, hiding behind a letter [escudándose en una carta] from Lucia dated November 1989, in which she stated that Heaven had admitted consecration in spite of one of the most important conditions.
    “Have you seen that letter?” He asks, as if conducting a police interrogation in search of evidence.
    “Never,” I say flatly.
    “I do not think you’ll ever see it, because I’m convinced that Lucia did not write it.”
    “How are you so sure of that?”
    “Why didn’t Bertone show it when he should have, when he announced the Third Secret of Fatima? A simple photocopy of the manuscript, included in the official dossier of the Vatican, would have been sufficient to dispel any doubt. If the Vatican has always been scrupulous in providing the documentary proof that authenticated the information by Lucia on minor matters, what reason would they have to skimp on the only documentary evidence that, according to Bertone, validated a fact that without doubt was of as much importance as the consecration performed by John Paul II?
    “Yes, it’s weird,” I admit.
    “You really think Lucia took five years to write that the consecration had been truly accepted? And that Bertone waited no less than sixteen years to announce the validity of something so crucial as the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?” Father Amorth’s voice sounds like dry leaves.
    “It’s all very strange, in truth.” I [Zavala] nod again.


    Father Amorth was no fool and he wasn't fooled by spin and lies. After all, in performing many thousands of exorcisms he knows well the father of lies and has heard all the falsehoods from worst of deceivers who have been possessed.
    We live in a world where being naive is of epidemic proportions now, even in the faith community. While Father Gobbi's questioning was sound reasoning for the Consecration to have not taken place, it is not the most obvious to me. This is what our Lady of Fatima revealed:
    1) Consecration of Russia by the pope and worlds bishops
    2) Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary
    3) Era of Peace

    If the rightful consecration of Russia had taken place, 1) the world would already be in the era of peace, which even a moron would not conclude. 2) The world would all know that this era of peace was brought to us through our Lady of Fatima, which it is obvious that only 1% of the world has even heard of her. Neither of these are true and no sane person can deny this. If you have not been praying and sacrificing for the rightful consecration of Russia and Era of Peace to take place and doing the 5 first Saturday's of Reparation then 'you' are a hindering this event from taking place. It is those who know better that are more guilty of the delay then those of the ignorant world. Just ask yourself, am I doing my part? Is your priest doing his part?
     
  4. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    I forgot that Blessed Emmerich stated that the "New Pope" would be Italian:
    January 27, 1822 [Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich] "I saw a new Pope who will be very strict. He will estrange from him the cold and lukewarm bishops. He is not a Roman, but he is Italian. He comes from a place which is not very far from Rome, and I think he comes from a devout family of royal blood. But there must still be for a while much fighting and unrest."
    It is all very difficult to put together.
     
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  5. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    remnantnewspaper.com
    Sky to Go Dark in August, 2017
    Michael Matt | Editor
    The Washington Post reports:

    On Monday, Aug. 21, in the middle of the day, the sky will go dark. The temperature will suddenly get several degrees colder. Birds will stop chirping and retreat to their nests. And tens of millions of people, crammed into a 60-mile-wide path that crosses from Oregon to the Carolinas, will stand in America looking up at the sky.

    It’s easy to understand why many people will view this as an act of God.

    The total solar eclipse that will cross America this summer — an event that last happened 99 years ago — will be an important moment for scientific observers and a massive nationwide spectator event. It will also, for many people of faith, be evidence of God’s majesty — and even, to a few, a harbinger of the coming end of the world. READ MORE HERE

    REMNANT COMMENT: So in this 100th anniversary year of Our Lady's apparitions at Fatima, this is rather interesting. In 1689 Our Lord made it known to St. Margaret Mary Alacoque that the king of France was to consecrate his country to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, if France were to survive. The king failed to do so; and in 1789--one hudred years later--an evil revolution beheaded the king of France and executed the ‘eldest daughter of the Catholic Church’. Though France recovered from that bloody revolution against altar and throne, the Church in France never did.

    So one hundred years ago Our Lady appeared at Fatima, and, over the course of the next few years, it became known that she'd instructed the Sr. Lucia of Fatima to tell the Holy Father to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Several attempts were made by various popes, but the consecration of Russia, by a pope united with the bishops of the world, never happened.

    Our Lady still waits for the consecration, and the hundred years are up.

    Wear those scapulars, pray those beads--you never know. This madness can't go on much longer.
     
  6. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I wonder if this is a harbinger of disaster for the USA.
    Perhaps this is why she is not mentioned as taking much part in the prophecies to come.

    Evidently there is an almost identical eclipse crossing the USA in 2024.
    ...7 years later...
    Except going in the opposite direction.
    The two of them will form a large "X" across the USA.

    At the crossing point of the "X" is the New Madrid Seismic Fault Line.
     
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  7. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    Somehow this sounds pretty real scenario for the coming papacy. A very strict unexpected pope, as a reaction against the current situation, and more fighting and unrest for many years. It just reminds me of the dramatic shifts that from one to pope to another happened during the Arian heresy, as described by Blessed John Henry Newman.
     
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  8. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Oh boy!
    I think that it is a sign for the whole world but that is just my opinion.
     
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  9. JAK

    JAK Principalities

    The 2017 eclipse is on the anniversary of Our Lady's appearance at Knock and the second in 2024 is the Feast of The Annunciation moved from March 25th.
     
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  10. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    It is just my personal opinion, but I consider the Knock apparitions to be a depiction of the "Opening of the Seals" of the Book of the Apocalypse. They are an apparition that often gets overlooked because there are no words spoken, but the imagery there is stark for anyone who is familiar with End Times symbology.

    It reminds me of this quote:
    And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven, as it were for half an hour.
    -Revelation 8:1

    I think the silence speaks volumes. It seems to me the the moment is so terrible no words can be uttered by anyone watching.
     
  11. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Praetorian, I think you may have uncovered something, I am not certain what, maybe it is what you have said here. You reminded me of the thread about the 14yr old boy, http://motheofgod.com/threads/our-lady-of-fatima-appears-to-14-year-old-in-fatima.10671/#post-174297 What is the date in which he was told to be at the Knock site, it's June 10th. What else is June 10th, the last day of the 6th day war, exactly 50 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War .

    I am not certain what it means but oh boy. If anything we are being given a lot of signs. A road map of signs.
     
  12. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Cardinal Sarah has just published 'The Power of Silence'.
     
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  13. theflyingnun

    theflyingnun New Member

    Perhaps Praetorian you read some information about the Knock Apparitions here, because this article talks about the Opening of the Seals.

    http://unveilingtheapocalypse.blogspot.com/2017/03/our-lady-of-knock-and-opening-of-sealed.html

    http://unveilingtheapocalypse.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-prophetic-symbolism-of-our-lady-of.html
     
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  14. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes Praetorian I believe you are right. And I think I may have read or heard that interpretation. Like the book of Daniel that apparition was in a sense "sealed up" for a later time.
     
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  15. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Thanks Flying Nun (y)

    I haven't read the newer article yet, but it is possible I did read the old one at some point. I do read Emmett's blog from time to time, so perhaps that is where the idea seeped into my mind. I don't wish to take credit for something I didn't originate. Apologies to Emmett.
     
  16. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

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  17. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    This whole description is cryptic...

    Something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it?
    Hmmmm.
     
  18. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. A mirror image=two popes. Yes? Ever thought of that.
     
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  19. AED

    AED Powers

    Meant to read never thought of that.
     
  20. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Wouldn't she have just said I saw two Popes then?

    For some reason this wording seems more ominous...
     
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