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“The Political Pope.”

Discussion in 'Pope Francis' started by garabandal, May 3, 2017.

  1. Light

    Light Angels


    It seems to me that the Catholic Church is by and large not truly Catholic. I suspect that very many commit sacrilege especially at Sunday Mass by taking Holy Communion unworthily. Everyone goes to receive (most have the appearance of total indifference); I've seen fist pumps, nods, big smiles or hand wave given by some communicants on the way back to the pew.

    Action preach louder than words and nearly all we are seeing has the effect of contributing to the further dilution of the doctrine of the Real Presence. We do not even have any words from preachers on the sacredness of the matter or on the reality of Real Presence to counteract it.

    God Bless.
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  2. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

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  3. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    "they will already feel in their hearts the effect of my Justice, it will be that the heart will say 'the time is not far away...'"

    It really feels that way already. Fatima was a crystal clear warning, it doesn't get more clear than that. We need to stick to our daily duties (our daily work, family, and those in need around us) I guess and continue to pray and be united to God in the sacraments. That is what the Virgin told the shepherds in Fatima, stick to your duties and prayer life, your daily life will then be sanctified, and you will glorify God by your live!
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  4. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Maybe I am a little off my rocker, but if I am being totally honest I have to say I am in a way exhilarated by all of this. Not in a sensationalistic sense, but in the sense that the faithful Catholics of this generation were specially chosen from before time began to help carry the Cross during the Passion of the Church. Aside from actually living during Our Lord's life and being in His vicinity, what greater honor can there be?

    Of course at the same time there is a horror of what is going on, but in some sense there is also a feeling of peace. We know that things are so far gone that man cannot make it right at this point. God is in charge and He will straighten all of this out through the Blessed Mother and His excessive Mercy. We must simply do our part by praying and helping as many to see the truth as possible. Pray, hope, and don't worry. God is Merciful. Even a Chastisement is an act of His Mercy. How many countless souls will be saved that would otherwise be lost if we were not corrected?
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  5. Byron

    Byron Principalities

    1995 - "My secret concerns the Church. In the Church, the great apostasy, which will spread throughout the world, will be brought to its completion; the schism will take place through a general alienation from the Gospel and from the true faith. There will enter the man of iniquity, who opposes himself to Christ, and who will bring into her interior the abomination of desolation, thus bringing to fulfillment the horrible sacrilege, of which the prophet Daniel has spoken."
    Locutions from Our Lady to Fr Gobbi.
  6. Byron

    Byron Principalities

    Maybe the next phrase will be that "Mass is not a sacrifice, but a thanksgiving..."
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  7. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    When there is a war in the Middle East with the intent to decimate Israel but it does not and the "hero" who saves the day draws up a covenant of peace with many for 7 years then we will know that the abomination of desolation is not far away, 3.5 years to be exact. I think there needs to be two wars one at the beginning of the 7 years and one at the end of the 7 years. The latter of which will be in conjunction with the Second Coming. I don't think that there is going to be an era of peace, I think that we missed that opportunity by not following the blessed mother's requests properly. Yep, I'm the pessimist in the bunch today but I think that Praetorian is correct about saving souls.
  8. Byron

    Byron Principalities

    Carol, I think you may be mixing two different scenarios. Fr Gobbi's locutions were all about the Church, and its Priests and Bishops. It's not about Israel, and the building of a third temple, or a war, etc. The quote above from Our Lady to Fr Gobbi speaks of this as a secret. That secret coincides with what Garabandal states. It's about the destruction of our Church from within. It's not about the Second Coming end of the world, but about an intermediate coming before the chastisement, to warn us to change.
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  9. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Byron, I think all of it is tied together and may happen very quickly. The first beast from Revelation 13 has 42 months, I believe that this is the false prophet. If the second beast is the antichrist, he appears to have 7 years as written in Daniel and will set up the abomination of desolation after 3.5 years.
    I am probably over simplifying things but I would think that since the bible states that Jesus will make his name known to the Jews when Israel's enemies attempt to destroy them that this (their enemies will attempt to destroy them) must also occur when the Jews mistake the antichrist for their Messiah. My thought is to be certain of the signs so we can recognize when these things are going to occur.
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  10. Mary's child

    Mary's child Archangels

    Sadly I agree with you.
  11. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Well yes, but it is also true that were we find great evil we also find great good.

    Archbishop Fulton Sheen reminded us that what is happening is like a great fire that burns away the dross leaving only what is good and true. There have been attempts to construct a False Church many times before. But they collapsed. That which is not founded on Christ will never stand.

    I suspect if we were to stand in heaven and look down on Earth we would be astonished at the number of great shinning saints we would see. I am ever positive and full of hope. If we were to look at things , the Church as merely an organisation we would despair. But if we see it as the Mystical Body of Christ we would be exultant.

    I am full of hope, we will pass through this terrible darkness and Mary's Immaculate Heart will Triumph as promised.

    But I do think many people are making a mistake as they look at the Church at the moment. They see a great beautiful house. They think things could not be better. When in fact the smoke of Satan has long entered. The house is in fact gnawed by termites utterly rotten and ready at one push to collapse into a heap.

    However when the house collapses we will see a beautiful new Church emerge. However the old one must collapse first. We can actually see, for those with eyes to see, that this is actually happening.
    But I am full of trust and hope.

    These events were long foretold
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  12. Mario

    Mario Powers

    In the Book of Lamentations, Jerusalem is personified by Jeremiah so as emphasize the horror of the destruction and suffering of Judah during the crisis leading to the Exile.

    Lam 1:16 "For these things I weep; my eyes flow with tears; for a comforter is far from me, one to revive my courage; my children are desolate, for the enemy has prevailed."
    17 Zion stretches out her hands, but there is none to comfort her; the LORD has commanded against Jacob that his neighbors should be his foes; Jerusalem has become a filthy thing among them.
    18 "The LORD is in the right, for I have rebelled against his word; but hear, all you peoples, and behold my suffering.

    This morning the breviary's first Psalm was 143, a psalm of David in which he holds himself out as God's servant. I decided to present David's plea as a plea of the universal Church personified! As you say, Padraig, a passing shadow, but how impenetrable the darkness seems at times! But Jesus Christ is risen indeed!

    Lord, listen to my prayer: *
    turn your ear to my appeal.
    You are faithful, you are just; give answer. †
    Do not call your [Church] to judgment *
    for no one is just in your sight.

    The enemy pursues my soul; *
    he has crushed my life to the ground;
    he has made me dwell in darkness *
    like the dead, long forgotten.
    Therefore my spirit fails; *
    my heart is numb within me.

    I remember the days that are past: *
    I ponder all your works.
    I muse on what your hand has wrought †
    and to you I stretch out my hands. *
    Like a parched land my soul thirsts for you.

    Lord, make haste and answer; *
    for my spirit fails within me.
    Do not hide your face *
    lest I become like those in the grave.

    In the morning let me know your love *
    for I put my trust in you.
    Make me know the way I should walk: *
    to you I lift up my soul.

    Rescue me, Lord, from my enemies; *
    I have fled to you for refuge.
    Teach me to do your will *
    for you, O Lord, are my God.
    Let your good spirit guide me *
    in ways that are level and smooth.

    For your name’s sake, Lord, save [Your Church]; *
    in your justice save my soul from distress.

    Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
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  13. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I love it when the young priest sings the Regina Coeli after mass in the hospital at the moment. I imagine Mary meeting her Risen Son and the joy she felt. I like to believe we all share in this joy. A joy which is Eternal.

    This is a joy that lifts us over the pain of the present. However I am deeply saddened by the souls who may be lost over this, poor souls who are told that evil is fine and not a problem. Hopefully the Just Judge will have mercy.
  14. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member


    Windswept House Echoes in Neumayr Book
    Some of you will recognize the title of a very controversial--but little-read--novel written by Malichi Martin, an ex-Jesuit priest. The novel made some rather shocking allegations about various Catholic Church prelates.

    So happens a priest-friend of mine corresponded with Martin while the book was being written--and Martin gave him a "key" to the characters in the book. The most important U.S. figure was identified as Jos. Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago, whom Martin portrayed as a Satanist.

    I told you it was rather shocking.

    Anyhow.....George Neumayr now reveals a not-shocking bit about Bernardin.

    In the course of researching No Higher Power: Obama’s War on Religious Freedom, I learned that the late Chicago cardinal Joseph Bernardin helped pay for the education of Barack Obama in Saul Alinsky’s ruthless tactics....

    ...Garrow treats Obama’s Bernardin-financed foray to Los Angeles for the IAF training as one of the keys moments in his Alinskyite education. Anyone who doubts the leftist infiltration of the Catholic Church should read that section in Garrow’s book. Socialists disguised as Catholic leaders stood ready to help Obama at almost every turn during his “community organizing.” What I said in No Higher Power — that the Church had bred one of her own destroyers — is abundantly clear in Garrow’s account.

    U.S. Catholics continue to be burdened by Bernardin's legacy: the "Catholic" Campaign for Human Development--which was tossing money hand-over-fist into various Alinskyite entities for years, and continues to do so to this day.

    But ALL U.S. citizens will be burdened by the legacy of Bernardin named Obama.
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  15. picadillo

    picadillo Powers

    Jesuit cardinal Martini was Bernadin's "handler." The pope wrote a preface to a biography of Martini praising him. Windswept House is true. The satanic ceremony of enthronement is true. I have a testimonial of the woman (was a girl then) that Bernadin abused on the altar. I have talked to a seminarian (whom he claimed was represented by Stephen Cook) who were abused by Bernadin and his cronies. I am sworn to secrecy. Sorry DavidT, all lefties, masons, and one-worlders. Cook never recanted about Bernadin, he said he could not trust his memory, a huge betrayal to the 3 seminarians he represented. The pope's philosophy just so happens to mirror theirs. If the pope wanted the truth, all he has to do is contact Steve Brady or any member of RCF. Everyone I know affilliated with RCF is disgusted by this pope. The truth will set you free. Pope Francis is either a simpleton or very evil.
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  16. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Not to Judge? Correcting the Sinner is an Essential Work of Charity">Who Am I Not to Judge? Correcting the Sinner is an Essential Work of Charity

    Msgr. Charles Pope • June 25, 2017 • In the Gospel for Monday of the 12th Week in Ordinary Time, there is a Scripture passage that is almost too well known. I say this because the world has wielded like a club to swing at Christians. The text is quoted almost as if it represented the entirety of the Bible’s teaching; it is often used to shut down discussions of what is right vs. wrong, what is virtuous vs. sinful. Even many Christians misinterpret the passage as a mandate to be silent in the face of sin and evil. I say that it is too well known because it is remembered while everything else in the Scriptures that balances or clarifies it is forgotten. Here is the passage:

    Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, “Let me take the speck out of your eye,” when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite! First take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye (Matt 7:1-5).

    Anytime the Church or an individual Christian labels a particular behavior as wrong or sinful, wagging fingers are raised. This is followed, in an indignant tone, with something like this: “You’re being judgmental! The Bible says, ‘Judge not.’ Who are you to judge your neighbor?” This is clearly an attempt to shut down discussion and to shame Christians, or the Church, into silence.

    To a large degree this tactic has worked. Modern culture has succeeded in shaming many Christians from this essential work: correcting the sinner. Too many are terrified when they are said to be “judging” someone by calling attention to sin or wrongdoing. In a culture in which tolerance (a mistaken notion of tolerance at that) is one of the only virtues left, “judging” is deemed one of the worst offenses.

    Pay careful attention to what this Gospel text is actually saying. The judgment spoken of does not refer to discerning between right and wrong. Rather, it refers to determining punishment or condemnation. The next sentence makes this clear when it speaks of the measure we use, the level of condemnation, harshness, or punishment. A parallel passage in Luke’s Gospel makes this clear:

    Stop judging and you will not be judged. Stop condemning and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven. … For the measure with which you measure will in return be measured out to you (Luke 6:36-38).

    The judgment here refers to unnecessarily harsh and punitive condemnation. To paraphrase the opening verses colloquially, “Be careful not to condemn, because if you lower the boom on others, you will have the boom lowered on you. If you throw the book at others, it will be thrown at you.”

    Further, the parable that follows in the passage above from the Gospel of Matthew does not say that we should refrain from correcting sinners. Rather, it says that we should get right with God and understand our own sin in order that we will see clearly enough to be able to correct our brother. Far from forbidding the correction of the sinner, the passage actually emphasizes the importance of correction by underscoring the importance of doing it well and with humility and integrity.

    One of the most forgotten obligations we have is that of correcting the sinner. It is listed among the Spiritual Works of Mercy. St. Thomas Aquinas lists it in the Summa Theologica as a work of Charity:

    [F]raternal correction properly so called, is directed to the amendment of the sinner. Now to do away with anyone’s evil is the same as to procure his good: and to procure a person’s good is an act of charity, whereby we wish and do our friend well (Summa Thelogica II, IIae, 33.1).

    Go be sure, there are some judgments that are forbidden us.
    1. We cannot assess that we are better or worse than someone else before God.
    2. We cannot always understand the ultimate culpability or inner intentions of another person as though we were God. Scripture says regarding judgments such as these, Not as man sees does God see, because man sees the appearance but the LORD looks into the heart (1 Sam 16:7).
    3. We cannot make the judgment of condemnation. That is to say, we do not have the power or knowledge to condemn someone to Hell. God alone is judge in this sense.
    4. We must not be unnecessarily harsh or punitive. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. Stop judging and you will not be judged. Stop condemning and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven … For the measure with which you measure will in return be measured out to you (Luke 6:36-38).
  17. Fatima

    Fatima Powers


    Scripture both commends and commands fraternal correction: I remarked above that the Gospel from today’s Mass is too well known because it has been embraced to the exclusion of everything else in the Bible on the subject of correcting sinners. Over and over again Scripture tells us to correct the sinner. Far from forbidding fraternal correction, the Scriptures command and commend it. I would like to share some of those texts here and add a little commentary of my own in red text.
    1. If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven (Matt 18:15-18). Jesus instructs us to speak to a sinning brother and summon him to repentance. If private rebuke does not work (assuming the matter is serious), others who are trustworthy should be summoned to the task. As a final resort, the Church should be informed. If he will not listen even to the Church, then he should be excommunicated (treated as a tax collector or Gentile). In serious matters, excommunication should be considered as a kind of medicine that will inform the sinner of just how serious the situation is. Sadly, this “medicine” is seldom used today, even though Jesus clearly prescribes it (at least in serious matters).
    2. It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and of a kind that is not found even among pagans; for a man is living with his father’s wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you. For though absent in body I am present in spirit, and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment in the name of the Lord Jesus on the man who has done such a thing. When you are assembled, and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened … I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with immoral men; not at all meaning the immoral of this world, or the greedy and robbers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But rather I wrote to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or robber not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. Drive out the wicked person from among you (1 Cor 5:1-13). The Holy Spirit, speaking through Paul, commands that we “judge” the evildoer. In this case the matter is very serious (incest). Notice how the text says that he should be excommunicated (handed over to Satan). Here, too, the purpose is medicinal. It is hoped that Satan will beat him up enough that he will come to his senses and repent before the Day of Judgment. It is also medicinal in the sense that the community is protected from bad example, scandal, and the presence of evil. The text also requires us to be able to size people up. There are immoral and unrepentant people in the world and it is harmful for us to associate with them. We are instructed not to keep company with people who can mislead us or tempt us to sin. This requires a judgment on our part. Some judgements are actually required of us.
    3. Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any sin, you who are spiritual should recall him in a spirit of gentleness. Look to yourself, lest you too be tempted. Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (Gal 6:1-2). We are called to notice when a person has been overtaken in sin and to correct him. The text cautions us to do so in a spirit of gentleness, otherwise we risk sinning in the very process of correcting the sinner. We can be prideful or unnecessarily harsh in our words of correction; this is no way to correct. The instruction here is to be gentle and humble, yet clear. It also seems that patience is called for, because we must share in the burdens of one another’s sin. First, we accept the fact that others have imperfections and faults that trouble us; second, we bear the obligation of helping others to know their sin and of helping them to repent.
    4. My brethren, if any one among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins (James 5:19). The text is ambiguous as to whose soul is actually saved, but that is good, because it seems that both the corrected and the corrector are beneficiaries of well-executed fraternal correction.
    5. You shall not hate your brother in your heart: You shall in any case rebuke your neighbor, and not suffer sin upon him (Lev 19:17). This text teaches us that refusing to correct a sinning neighbor is a form of hatred. Instead we are instructed to love our neighbors by not wanting sin to overtake them.
    6. If anyone refuses to obey what we say in this letter, note that man, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not look on him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother (2 Thess 3:14). The medicine of rebuke, even to the point of refusing fellowship, is commanded here. Note, too, that even a sinner does not lose his dignity; he is still to be regarded as a brother, not as an enemy. A similar text says, We instruct you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to shun any brother who walks in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us (2 Thess 3:6).
    7. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teach and admonish one another in all wisdom (Col 3:16). To admonish means to warn. If the word of Christ is rich within us, we will warn when necessary. A similar text says, All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work (2 Tim 3:16). Reproof and correction are thus part of what is necessary to equip us for every good work.
    8. And we exhort you, brethren, admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with them all (1 Thess 5:14). Fraternal correction is described here as admonishing, encouraging, and helping. We are also exhorted to patience in these works.
    There are more of these passages, but I’m sure you get the point by now. Fraternal correction, correcting the sinner, is prescribed and consistently commanded by Scripture. We must resist the shame that the world tries to inflict on us for “judging” people. Not all judgment is forbidden; in fact, some judgment is commanded. Correction of the sinner is both charitable and virtuous.

    We have failed to correct – If we are to have any shame about fraternal correction, it should be that we have failed to correct when necessary. Because of our failure in this regard the world is a much more sinful, coarse, and undisciplined place. Too many people today are out of control, undisciplined, and incorrigible. Too many are locked in sin and have never been properly corrected. The world is less pleasant and charitable, less teachable. It is also more sinful and in greater bondage. To fail to correct is to fail in charity and mercy; it is to fail to be virtuous and to fail in calling others to virtue. We are all impoverished by our failure to correct the sinner. He who winks at a fault causes trouble; but he who frankly reproves promotes peace. … A path to life is his who heeds admonition; but he who disregards reproof goes go astray (Proverbs 10:10, 17).

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