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The Immaculate Conception

Discussion in 'Mother of God' started by padraig, Dec 8, 2017.

  1. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I always feel more than a little bit overpowered on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception feeling far, far, far out of my depth in the Great Mystery. If I was some great theologian I think I could write about it with sense , but as a very ordinary I well, I am left with my mouth open a little gaping.:)

    I was walking through the snow thinking about it and my first doorway is the medal I worn around my neck for years , The Miraculous Medal which causes me often to pray,

    'Oh Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!'

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  2. padraig

    padraig New Member

    The Dogma of the Immaculate Conception was proclaimed in 1854 by Pope Pius ix. The apparitions in the Rue Du Bac happened in 1830 a clear forerunner or presequel to proclamation of the Dogma.


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  3. padraig

    padraig New Member

    The Dogma of the Immaculate Conception received yet a further Seal of heavenly approval shortly after its announcement when in 1854 Our Lady appeared in Lourdes.


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  4. padraig

    padraig New Member

    The reason why I mention these apparitions is something that the world's foremost Mariologist Fr Rene Laurentin wrote shortly before he died not long ago. Fr Rene said that if the apparitions at Lourdes were to happen today they would never be accepted by today's Church.

    I think it is possible to go even further than this and say that the any Pope today who tried to proclaim this Dogma would have the very greatest difficult yin doing so.

    Why is this?

    Well something Scripture tells us of the nature of Jesus teaches us everything about the Immaculate Conception.

    Hebrews 4:15

    For we do not have a High Priest who cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

    So Jesus was a man like we are in all things but sin. ..and we can say the same thing of Mary that she was as we are like us in all things but sin.

    This in a sense tells us all but tells us nothing, pointing at one time to the human reality of Mary , how like us all she is , but the finger of heaven also points to the Divine Reality of Divine prevenient grace the preserved her Immaculate from the very moment of her conception.

    Now moderns will be perfectly happy to accept Mary's humanity. They will speak of her as a poor peasant, a political refugee from a poor and humble working class family. They will speak of her stumbling and falling to understand who her Son, Jesus Christ was.

    But I think when it comes to the Immaculate Conception but, the pointing at heaven to the Divine bit, no this they could never accept, not really. They are too wise , too learned , too proud for this

    Matthew 11:25

    At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.



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  5. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I honestly don't think we will even be at the beginning of the beginning of understanding of the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception until the End of Time when the Virgin of the Apocalypse is revealed.

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  6. sparrow

    sparrow Archangels

    Inconceivable grace!
  7. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Here is a great old movie I am watching at the moment. Bernadette was so human! She comes across so well in this. I think it was very close to the real saint.

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  8. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    What some don't know is that the miraculous medal was first called the medal of the Immaculate Conception and it only became know some time later as the Miraculous medal, because it became associated with so many miracles taking place by those who wore it.
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  9. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    It us so sad that my pastor's homily today could only connect this holy feast day with the Annunciation of Mary saying yes to the angel Gabrielle. Nothing said of her sinlessness from conception to her Assumption into heaven.
  10. Sam

    Sam Archangels

    by St. Maximilian Kolbe


    Just a few hours before his second and final arrest, St. Maximilian Kolbe on February 17, 1941, wrote down
    his last reflections on the Immaculate Conception. The question, "Who are you, O Immaculate Conception?"
    occupied his priestly mind and heart forming him to be a living witness of the power of the Immaculate
    and to die as a living offering of love.

    “IMMACULATE CONCEPTION. These words fell from the lips of the Immaculata herself. Hence, they must tell us in the most precise and essential manner who she really is.

    Since human words are incapable of expressing divine realities, it follows that these words: “Immaculate,” and “Conception” must be understood in a much more profound, much more beautiful and sublime meaning than usual: a meaning beyond that which human reason at its most penetrating, commonly gives to them.

    St. Paul wrote, quoting the Prophet Isaiah: “Things that the eye has not seen, that the ear has not heard, that the heart of man has not imagined” (Is. 64,4), such are the good things that God has prepared for those who love him (I Cor. 2,9). Here, these words apply fully.

    However, we can and should reverently inquire into the mystery of the Immaculata and try to express it with words provided by our intelligence using its own proper powers.

    Who then are you, O Immaculate conception?

    Not God, of course, because he has no beginning. Not an angel, created directly out of nothing. Not Adam, formed out of the dust of the earth (Gen. 2,7). Not Eve, molded from Adam’s rib (Gen. 2,21). Not the Incarnate Word, who exists before all ages, and of whom we should use the word “conceived” rather than “conception”. Humans do not exist before their conception, so we might call them created “conceptions.” But you, O Mary, are different from all other children of Eve. They are conceptions stained by original sin; whereas you are the unique, Immaculate Conception.

    Everything which exists, outside of God himself, since it is from God and depends on him in every way, bears within itself some semblance to its Creator; there is nothing in any creature which does not betray this resemblance, because every created thing is an effect of the Primal cause.

    It is true that the words we use to speak of created realities express the divine perfections only in a halting, limited and analogical manner. They are only a more or less distant echo- as are the created realities that they signify- of the properties of God himself.

    Would not “conception” be an exception to this rule? No; there is never any such exception.

    The Father begets the Son; the Spirit proceeds from Father and Son. These few words sum up the mystery of life of the Most Blessed Trinity and of all the perfections in creatures which are nothing else but echoes, a hymn of praise, a many-hued tableau, of this primary and most wondrous of all mysteries.

    We must perforce use our customary vocabulary, since it is all we have; but we must never forget that our vocabulary is very inadequate.

    Who is the Father? What is his personal life like? It consists in begetting, eternally; because he begets his Son from the beginning, and forever.

    Who is the son? He is the Begotten-One because from the beginning and for all eternity he is begotten by the Father.

    And who is the Holy Spirit? The flowering of the love of the Father and the Son. If the fruit of created love is a created conception, then the fruit of divine Love, that prototype of all created love, is necessarily a divine “conception.” The Holy Spirit is, therefore, the “uncreated, eternal conception,” the prototype of all the conceptions that multiply life throughout the whole universe.

    The Father begets; the Son is begotten; the Spirit is the “conception” that springs from their love; there we have the intimate life of the three Persons by which they can be distinguished one from another. But they are united in the oneness of their Nature, of their divine existence.

    The spirit is, then this thrice holy “conception,” this infinitely holy, Immaculate Conception.

    Everywhere in this world we notice action, and the reaction which is equal but contrary to it; departure and return; going away and coming back; separation and reunion. The separation always looks foreword to union, which is creative. All this is simply an image of the Blessed Trinity in the activity of creatures. Union means love, creative love. Divine activity, outside the Trinity itself, follows the same pattern. First, God creates the universe; that is something like a separation. Creatures, by following the natural law implanted in them by God, reach their perfection, become like him, and go back to him. Intelligent creatures love him in the conscious manner; through this love they unite themselves more and more closely with him, and so find their way back to him. The creature most completely filled with this love, filled with God himself, was the Immaculata, who never contracted the slightest stain of sin, who never departed in the least from God’s will. United to the Holy Spirit as his spouse, she is one with God in an incomparably more perfect way than can be predicated of any other creature.

    What sort of union is this? It is above all an interior union, a union of her essence with the “essence” of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit dwells in her, lives in her. This was true from the first instant of her existence. It was always true; it will always be true.

    In what does this life of the Sprit in Mary consist? He himself is uncreated Love in her; the Love of the Father and of the Son, the Love by which God loves himself, the very love of the Most Holy Trinity. He is a fruitful Love, a “Conception.” Among creatures made in God’s image the union brought about by married love is the most intimate of all (cf. Mt. 19,6). In a much more precise, more interior, more essential manner, the Holy Spirit lives in the soul of the Immaculata, in the depths of her very bring. He makes her fruitful, from the very first instant of her existence, all during her life, and for all eternity.

    This eternal “Immaculate Conception” (which is the Holy Spirit) produces in an immaculate manner divine life itself in the womb (or depths) of Mary’s soul, making her the Immaculate Conception, the human Immaculate Conception. And the virginal womb of Mary’s body is kept sacred for him; there he conceives in time- because everything that is material occurs in time- the human life of the man-God.

    And so the return to God (which is love), that is to say the equal and contrary reaction, follows a different path from that found in creation. The path of creation goes from the Father through the Son by the Holy Spirit; this return trail goes from the Spirit through the Son back to the Father; in other words, by the Spirit the Son becomes incarnate in the Womb of the Immaculata; and through this Son love returns to the Father.

    And she (the Immaculata), grafted into the Love of the Blessed Trinity, becomes from the first moment of her existence and forever thereafter the “complement of the Blessed Trinity”.

    In the Holy Spirit’s union with Mary we observe more than the love of two beings; in one there is all the love of the Blessed Trinity; in the other, all of creation’s love. So it is that in this union heaven and earth are joined; all of heaven with all the earth, the totality of eternal love with the totality of created love. It is truly the summit of love.

    At Lourdes, the Immaculata did not say of herself that she had been conceived immaculately, but, as St. Bernadette repeated, “Que soy era immaculada councepciou”: “I am the Immaculate Conception.”

    If among human beings the wife takes the name of her husband because she belongs to him, is one with him, becomes equal to him and is, with him, the source of new life, with how much greater reason should the name of the Holy Spirit, who is the divine Immaculate Conception, be used as the name of her in whom he lives as uncreated Love, the principle of life in the whole supernatural order of grace?”
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  11. padraig

    padraig New Member

    The priest at our mass was very careful to remind us that the Feast celebrates the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin in the womb of St Anne rather than that of Jesus Christ in the womb of the Virgin. A lot of people get confused in this.

    I was thinking of St Anne at mass , in a way this is her Feast too. The Mother of Mary, the grandmother of Jesus.

    Just imagine.

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  12. padraig

    padraig New Member

    All Truth goes back to the Trinity.

    All truth.
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  13. AED

    AED Powers

    This is magnificent. Profound. Beyond our understanding but shimmering with truth.
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