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The Great Monarch and the Holy Pope

Discussion in 'Questions and Answers' started by Carol55, Jun 24, 2017.

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Do you believe in the prophecy of the Great Monarch and the Holy Pope?

  1. Yes

    74.1%
  2. No

    3.7%
  3. Uncertain

    22.2%
  1. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Macadamia,
    Hello again!

    Ok, so not the antichrist, correct? I still need an absolute confirmation because I am uncertain of some of your hints.
    But it appears that this is not your thought which is good, hopeful. We don't know what is going to happen but hope is good.

    I couldn't figure out the hints that you gave to the prophecy that you stated - he will be crowned three times,
    "The 3x crown refers to
    "- The crown of a usurper who gives and points to legitimacy of the papacy ("The third crown was added to the papal tiara during the
    Avignon Papacy (1309–1378), giving rise to the form called the triregnum.[16][17]") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_tiara
    and
    - the country he comes from. (see the sun rising in the West for an additional clue)
    - the fact that he will be elected for 3 terms- from beginning to end.""

    If you wouldn't mind can you explain those hints and how they would relate to Sweden and/or East Anglia? I do understand the coat of arms for Sweden contains three crowns, as does the flag of East Anglia which you posted but I do want to understand more about the hints you gave in relation to these, if you have the time, thank you. This may be obvious to others but not to me, sorry, and when I did a search on "the sun rising in the west" the results pointed to the AC which confirmed my thinking.

    One thought, that I did have is 3 terms each consisting of 3 years, hence your idea about 9 years but I couldn't figure out what title/location. It also occurred to me that there are 3 top positions in the EU, so hence 3 crowns, maybe?

    Thank you.
     
  2. Macadamia

    Macadamia Guest

    Carol, I cannot give absolute confirmation on anything; only my own interpretation.
    Remember now..... Vouthon doesnt even consider this a valid prophecy and he/she is an intelligent, considered and valuable resource.
    To answer your concern - I dont believe these prophecies refer directly to the AC; they are about the GM.
    Again - thats just my personal belief.

    1. The Triple Crown was one of the symbols of the Papacy. Specifically, it referred to the Popes' temporal power and authority.
    Its use was discontinued in Papal coronations in the 1960s around the time of Vatican II. I suggest it hints at his role as a major reformer of the Church.

    2. The triple crown appear on the flags of many nations/cities/regions with various different meanings/histories. I contend that the 3xCrwn gives a further clue to the GMs background. East Anglia and Sweden just being 2x examples. There are others; make up your own mind.

    3. Finally, I propose that the GM will rise slowly 'through the ranks' - not suddenly appear as a miracle worker. Thus the 3xC tells you how many terms he will be elected for (although I like your idea of him serving 3x different offices).
    I think he will serve for many years - maybe 3x terms with only 1 at the top. Or perhaps he will serve many terms but only 3x at the top - I dont know.
    I am certain that he will not 'just appear' as a magic leader; he will be a journeyman politician/activist.
    Contrary to Vouthons belief I do not believe the prophecies will allow us to identify him once he is in power; the prophecies are a history, not a moment; they are a profile, not a polaroid.

    Remember, this is all conjecture, supposition.
    I have no more, or less, ability or knowledge than you do.

    regards etc..
     
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  3. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Macadamia,

    Thank you. I think that I understand now. I was confused by your hints giving the appearance that you want a specific answer but I guess that has been a misinterpretation on my part. I have done this more than once and I apologize for that.

    I can't confirm what Vouthon has stated, I will have to go back and look at his posts. I would like to think that we could identify the Great Monarch once he his in power. However you could be correct, therefore, it might be a better idea for me to study Saint Hildegard or another doctor of the church who prophesized about signs of the ages which may include information about the Great Monarch or the Holy Pope but it is not the center focus of their prophecies.

    Thanks again.
     
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  4. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    I happened to notice that Brother Gilbert posted something related to this topic today, http://aronbengilad.blogspot.com/
    Sunday, September 17, 2017
    The Great French Pope and Prophetic Interpretation: A Hebrew Catholic Opinion

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    Prophecy is not always as clear cut as we think it is and its interpretation is difficult until after the events have occurred. For example there are many Catholic prophecies by seers and saints over the centuries of the rise of a Great French Pope and a Great Monarch. What does the word translated as French in English really refer to?

    The original prophecies spoke of a Frankish or Frank Pope. There are a number of ways one could interpret this word. Frankish can refer to the Frankish Empire of Charlemagne which includes modern France, Germany and Italy and a number of other places in Western Europe. The prophecy could mean this Angelic Pope comes from one of the countries of Western Europe.

    In the time of the Crusades the Muslims referred to all Western Christians of Europe as Franks and so this Pope could be a European Pope. Some groups of Jews were also referred to as Franks. It came to be a name for Jews of European origin living in the Ottoman Empire especially in Turkey. The term Frankist refers to those Jews who became Catholics under the leadership of Jacob Frank. Thus the term could mean the future Pope is to be a Jew or a Catholic of Jewish ancestry.

    The name Francis also means Frank or Frenchman so the prophecies may refer to a Pope called Francis. Our present Pope is the first Pope to ever be called Francis. However the prophecy may not refer to our present Pope but to a future Pope called Francis. Now that we have our first Pope called Francis it is very likely a future Pope will also take that name in the near future. Another interpretation is the future Pope may have been a Franciscan.

    Thus this Great Frank or French Pope could come from any of these origins. It is also possible that he could fulfill all these meanings if he is a Western European French born Catholic of Jewish ancestry who takes the name Francis. Time will only make this clearer. I personally think this Great Pope will not arise until after we have a Pope probably called Pius XIII who goes into exile and hiding. However prophecies are tricky and they will probably be fulfilled in ways that surprise us all.


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  5. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    I thought that the reference to the French connection was for the "Great Monarch" rather than necessarily to the "Angelic Pope".
     
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  6. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    Yes, me too.
     
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  7. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Archangels

    Me three
     
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  8. Or he could be from Franconia, in northern Bavaria. (or ethnically from that region). The Franks were a tribe, Celts, if I remember right.

    And, yeah, I'm pretty sure the prophecy was referring to the monarch and not the pope.
     
  9. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Me four. I read Brother Gilbert's post three times because I thought I read it wrong.

    I know that Brother Gilbert wrote about this subject in the past but he has never stated his source, tmk, http://aronbengilad.blogspot.com/2015/09/garabandal-2017-rav-kaduri-and-pope.html

    I went through the index on Birch's book and I couldn't find anything on this.

    The only thing I did find is the following historical information, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankish_Papacy .


    I did come across the following two prophecies about the Great Monarch which I believe we are thinking of,

    Monk Adso (10th Century): "Some of our teachers say that a King of the Franks will possess the entire Roman Empire. He will be the greatest and last of all Monarchs. After having wisely governed his kingdom, he will go into Jerusalem and will lay his sceptre and his crown upon the Mount of Olives. Immediately afterwards, Antichrist will come."

    "A Frankish King will one day rule over the entire Roman Empire." (St. Augustine, 5th Century)​
     
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  10. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro New Member

    Is there any reference to the Great Monarch coming from Fatima or Garanbadal? There is an apparition approved by the Church that speaks about him?
     
  11. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Luan Ribeiro, I will do my best to answer your question.

    Our Lady of Fatima, of course, speaks of an Era of Peace and since this Era of Peace has been associated with the Great Monarch and the Holy Pope by several seers, I think we can say that there is an indirect association to Fatima.

    To my knowledge, Our Lady of Garabandal, does not speak of an Era of Peace but she has spoken of a large conversion to the faith. I am certain that Conchita received a locution from Jesus in which he spoke of this conversion also. The prophecies of the age of the Great Monarch and Holy Pope also speak of this conversion, so again, I think we can say there is an indirect association to Garabandal.

    Personally, I cannot see the possibility of an Era of Peace without the Warning and the Miracle but this is my opinion. I simply cannot wrap my head around the idea of the reign of a Great Monarch and a Holy Pope without some divine intervention occurring to assist them in this endeavor to have peace reign in the world, even if it is not a complete peace which will only occur when Jesus returns.

    There are two prophecies which have been written about in relation to the Great Monarch and Holy Pope recently on MOG that come to mind, Saint Hildegard and Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser. Both of these seers were told of an Era of Peace in which there would be a Great Monarch and a Holy Pope and a large conversion to the faith.

    I hope that this helps.

    There are a few threads that I have seen on MOG besides this one which you can review for the prophecies that I have mentioned, St. Hildegard, Ven. Holzhauser and an Era of Peace, which may also help you to discern.

    PS- I do hope that others will come along and "fact" check this post of mine.
     
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  12. Booklady

    Booklady Archangels

    Carol55, you among many others here, are a blessing to those of us here who are interested in the area of Catholic Prophecy. I have learned much from you, thank you, and bless you for sharing what you learn with us.
     
  13. AED

    AED Powers

    DITTO!!!
     
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  14. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I second that!
    You are very humble with your knowledge Carol, but you know a tremendous amount!
     
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  15. Mary's child

    Mary's child Archangels

    Carol you are a encyclopedia of prophecy information, thank you for sharing with us.
     
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  16. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    You are all way too nice!!! I learned what I know from other MOG members. Thank you so very much.:love:
     
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  17. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Archangels

    Ahem, Carol55. Modesty is a virtue, yes, but you are one of a kind!
     
  18. Byron

    Byron Principalities

    Carol you have the gift of wisdom and kindness.
     
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  19. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    I don't put much stock in Garabandal or the other unapproved private revelations. But I do believe that a supernatural sign will be given to humanity and it will usher in a period of revitalized Christianity in both the private and public spheres. I think this coming sign was detailed to Saint Faustina directly by Our Lord in her approved private revelation:

    Write this: Before I come as the just Judge, I am coming first as the King of Mercy. Before the day of justice arrives, there will be given to people a sign in the heavens of this sort:

    All light in the heavens will be extinguished, and there will be great darkness over the whole earth. Then the sign of the cross will be seen in the sky, and from the openings where the hands and the feet of the Savior were nailed will come forth great lights which will light up the earth for a period of time. This will take place shortly before the last day
    (Diary, 83).

    It is the Sign of the Cross which will be seen by humanity and it will come after "all lights in the heavens are extinguished." This "period of time" during which the Supernatural Cross lights up the earth may be the "period of peace."

    If the Great Monarch and Holy Pope are connected to this event in any way, it may be by virtue of their martyrdom. I believe that the Great Monarch and Angelic Pope are types of the Two Witnesses and just as the final, endtime Two Witnesses will be martyred so too will the Great Monarch and Angelic Pope. I suspect that Vladimir Putin or Trump are the current best contenders for the Great Monarch and if either of them is assassinated then I believe the event spoken of by Saint Faustina will be near at hand.
     
  20. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Byron, Wow, that is extremely kind of you to say. IMO, I continue to work at both of those things.
    I really like the following quote,
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