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The Great Monarch and the Holy Pope

Discussion in 'Questions and Answers' started by Carol55, Jun 24, 2017.

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Do you believe in the prophecy of the Great Monarch and the Holy Pope?

  1. Yes

    74.1%
  2. No

    3.7%
  3. Uncertain

    22.2%
  1. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    I would like more information about the future Great Monarch and Holy Pope from all of you. I found a website which discusses many people who prophesized about them but many of them are unapproved. So therefore, I want to take a poll and see who believes in this prophecy and if you could kindly explain why.
    I do realize that we do not have to believe in prophecies even if they are approved by the church but I would like to hear your opinions on this. If your belief is based in a particular seer it would be helpful to me if you could state who the seer is.

    Thank you in advance.

    PS- One last request, if you could point to prophecies which discuss the timing of the Great Monarch in relation to the anti-Christ I would greatly appreciate it. A few of us were discussing the Ages of the Church on another thread and it was stated that the 6th age would be that of the Great Monarch and Holy Pope, and the 7th age would be that of the anti-Christ. I want to do more reading about this. Thank you again.
     
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2017
  2. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Carol, if you haven't you need to read Desmond Birch's book (Trial, Tribulation, and Triumph). :)
    It is exactly about what you are very much interested in, which is a timeline to hang all of these prophecies on.

    Parts of his book are dry since it is supposed to be a sort of "permanent record" to collect all of these prophecies and also a sort of primer on prophecy, but I think much of it you would enjoy and could use as a reference work.
     
  3. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Archangels

    I think Marie-Julie Jahenny talks about the Great Monarch.
     
  4. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    HeavenlyHosts, Thank you, do you have an opinion on this subject?
     
  5. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Archangels

    Carol55, I am not well read on this subject, but I think that there is a good reason why God may send a Great Monarch. Apparently, it has something to do with the history of Christendom. Pippin III and Charlemagne were allied with the Papacy and the Papal States way back when. I think that many governments established by men are not conducive to Christianity, especially Catholicism. Within the last 250 years, starting with the French Revolution, Christendom has been all but destroyed, and Judeo-Christian values (ie, the Ten Commandments) have been hijacked by a godless society. I think the sending of a Great Monarch might be the way that God will establish His reign over the earth and in the hearts of mankind. In the Old Testament, God picked whom he wanted for a ruler. I just had a thought while typing this: historically, man-made governments have been hostile to the Catholic Church. But, ahem. With Pope Francis on the scene, the world and the church are blending. Hence, the need for a Holy Pope emerges.
     
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  6. DivineMercy

    DivineMercy Archangels

    While a "monarch" seems improbable in the current state of the world (countries have presidents, prime ministers, dictators, etc right now), I take into account that the monarch is supposed to arrive on the scene when the world is changed and not how it is currently. All of the earthly devastations will have occurred, vast populations annihilated, etc. A great and holy monarch in that setting makes much more sense to me (the surviving people have experienced horrors and mostly have converted to Catholicism) and need a leader in a new and changed world.
     
  7. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I have read a great deal on this, but have to say it is not clear how this person fits into the world today. The world as we know it will have to change dramatically in order for this person and the Angelic Shepard to come on to the scene. That being said, we sure have the weapons of mass destruction all around the globe now to change the course of our world along with the threat of solar systems.
     
  8. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Attributed to Padre Pio , In France is hidden a power which will reveal itself at the appointed hour.


    From 43m....

     
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  9. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    The Great Monarch has a lot of significance. It is true the idea of a "Great King" does not "fit" with the world of today, but God doesn't seem to like the world of today very much for obvious reasons. The Great Monarch will be a Divine intervention to set things right in earthly governments. I think God prefers a pyramidal structure in governments, particularly with Kings who work in accord with the Church.

    The revolutions which began with Luther and continued on with the French and Russian revolutions, just to name a few prominent ones, are not an advancement of government. They are a punishment sent to us. We are told as much in approved prophecy. They turn the Divine pyramid upside down and attempt to have the broad base of people rule instead of those appointed to do so. There is a reason there is only one Pope and that people aren't allowed to vote on what to believe in the Church. The reason is it doesn't work. We are seeing the fruits of that now. Democracies don't evolve, they slowly devolve into fiscal and moral corruption. It is a natural consequence. This has long been known by the founding fathers of America and many others. It is no secret.

    “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy...”
    ― Alexander Fraser Tytler (October 15, 1747 - January 5, 1813)
     
  10. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    In the Luz de Maria messages....for your discernment of course.....there is a page from the seer/interpreter re: the now oft mentioned "angel of peace" in those messages in a collection of predictions from the past:


    ...In this instant in which man’s situation has limited the intimate relationship with God, and humanity is little interested or not interested in what is spiritual and saving the soul, we do not see as impossible Heaven wishing to send again one of its children to rescue, as in the times of Noah, the faithful People.

    With the confirmation of several studies carried out, we share what for decades some of those chosen by God have received about the arrival of an ENVOY, who will be a blessing for the HOLY REMNANT.

    .....God does not reserve His Greatness for Himself, rather God offers it to His People and blesses them again, HE makes a pact WITH HIS PEOPLE, WITH THE HOLY REMNANT AND ANNOUNCES TO IT THE SENDING OF A CREATURE WHO IS THE WORK OF HIS HANDS, BEING THE MIRROR OF THE LOVE OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, so that he is support of His faithful People in the crucial instant of humanity.

    .....
    The world has evolved and within that evolution, as in the past, the Divine Will acts with Its Omnipotence astounding humanity, in every decisive occasion for man. In this instant before the seizing of power by the antichrist, God One in Three will not abandon God’s People in the face of such a ferocious enemy.


    ..Man will be unable to understand Divine Mercy if he is not on the path of blessing. This is a stubborn and unfaithful People, even so, for long years and varied revelations the arrival of an envoy from God to fight for His Church is imminent and near at hand.

    .....
    In this writing or document we give in chronological order the respective revelations given to Luz de Maria concerning the PRECURSOR OF THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST.

    Ancient revelations about the Envoy of God.....(these include that "Great Monarch")

    http://www.revelacionesmarianas.com/ANGEL OF PEACE.html
     
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  11. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Thank you everyone for your informative posts!:)
     
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  12. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    I'm open to correction on this, but weren't God's chosen ruled by judges until they rejected that system in favour of having a king?

    Switzerland has a kind of direct democracy. Last year they voted against giving a basic income of about $2,000 for every adult. I don't know the reasons they voted against it but it probably had something to do with people working and paying taxes voting against paying others to stay home.

    I doubt that God has a preference once the system is fair and orderly. Our fallen nature kind of gets in the way of ever having a perfect system thanks to the seven deadly sins.
     
  13. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I would strongly disagree (though I respect your opinion:)). I think God does have preferences for different types of governments. Communism, for example, being one He probably does not care for. The Great Monarch and Holy Pope symbolize a return to proper authority structures. A return to temporal authority working hand-in-glove with the Church to rule the nations. One of the first fruits of democracies is the separation of Church and state. This is antithetical to Catholic reasoning. The state should be subservient to the Church in whatever form of government that might be. As to your question about early Jewish governments, I have to be honest and say I don't know. It seems obvious to me though that the devil has put a lot of effort into doing away with the Catholic Kings of Europe and replacing them with democracies. We do have Catholic saints who have said that the French and Russian revolutions were punishments, not the reward of new "liberties". I would say the same for Martin Luther. I do not claim to have all the answers on this, but is an interesting topic and I would encourage you or others to delve into it. I run into it from time to time in audio sermons or readings, etc. I just don't have the time or energy now to go digging :)
     
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  14. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Archangels

    great thread
     
  15. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    God does appear to favour a united people under one leader but the Israelites' demand for a king angered Him. When Samuel told God that the people wanted a king, God's response was that it wasn't Samuel they were rejecting but God because God was their King. On reflection, I suppose that a monarch is far closer to God's preference than a democracy. In a way, the Israelites made a democratic decision to reject judges in favour of a king because they weren't best pleased that Samuel had given his sons some judicial role and the sons were bad news. They were also envious of the Amonnites having a king and fancied having one of their own. Anyway, according to the book of Samuel, God's preference is for the leader (at this stage Saul is the king) and the people to be united in worshipping the one true God.

    It isn't clear from the book of Judges how the first judges were appointed after the generation succeeding Joshua had fallen into idolatry. It says that God gave them judges but it doesn't say how God communicated His choice to them. Maybe he did so via priests.

    I wish I had a better understanding of the Old Testament. One thing that strikes me about it is how similar we Christians are to the ancient Israelites in the way we forget about God in the good times and expect Him to deliver when things go haywire.
     
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  16. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I think you hit on something here. This is perhaps a large part of why we are going to be chastised. Yes it is for just reasons and we need to be punished because of our horrible sins, but also hard times may bring the most people back to God.

    As the old saying goes:
    There are no atheists in foxholes...
     
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  17. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    I believe a strong case can be made that Vladimir Putin is the Great Monarch. Russia has been ruled by Christian Monarchs for hundreds of years and even though he wears a suit and tie, Putin rules like the great Christan Monarchs of old. Unfortunately, many American Catholics are so blinded by Neocon propaganda and the heresy of Americanism, that they have failed to notice the Great Monarch in our midst (it would also mean acknowleding that the Consecration of Russia has borne fruit, as painful as that would be to concede for some).

    If a supernatural intervention occurs this year to bring humanity back to her senses, one result will be that the Freemason plot against Putin and Russia will be defeated and Putin will be vindicated, and will become the natural choice to govern and and enforce the restoration of Christendom that began under his rule in Russia (and was protected by Russian blood abroad in places like Syria) when the rest of the world had wholeheartedly embraced the Beast.
     
  18. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    There are many prophecies that speak of the Great Monarch and give his bloodline etc. I don't think that Putin qualifies in that regard, plus the Great Monarch is supposed to fight off a Russian invasion of Europe, so that wouldn't fit either. ;)

    That being said, I think Putin's government is much closer to a template of a government that might be more pleasing to God than the Western Democracies. It is a government that imposes top down moral laws. By that I mean working against non-Christian ideals such as abortion, pornography, etc. It also works in conjunction with the Orthodox church (though not with the Catholic Church). It gives a place of honor to Orthodox clergy, religious ceremonies, etc. So though not Catholic and still with many flaws, this is at least a better model for what is expected from a government than what we have produced in the West.
     
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  19. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    I am not surprised you think this Richard.
    You also think Russia has been Consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, in union with all the Bishops of the world.
    Swallowing one deception will ultimately lead to another,even if you have to make it up yourself.
     
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  20. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    I have thought about the Revelation 12 Sign quite a bit over the past year or so, I have wondered what it all means and if it is in fact happening on 9/23/17. I listened to Jimmy Akin who stated that Pope Benedict said that the Woman Clothed with Sun represents The Church, Mary and Israel. It appears that the WCWTS is giving birth to the King Planet, Jupiter, this September. I honestly feel that we are very close to the Second Coming but I wondered about the Prophecy of the Great Monarch and the Holy Pope. So maybe this September the Church will be birthing the Holy Pope, Mary will be birthing the Great Monarch and Israel may be birthing a people who will accept Christ as their savior? Mary has stated a few times at various apparitions that we are all her children, so I have wondered that maybe all of us will be rebirthed in a sense if the Warning happens some time in September. Maybe Pope Francis will be rebirthed as the Holy Pope after the Warning, IDK. I know the timing is not what people may expect, not an even year, the WCWTS sign may be an announcement of the nearness of it? I do feel that for these things (Great Monarch, Holy Pope, Israel's conversion, the Warning, etc.) to happen whenever that may be, there will be a great upheaval in the world proceeding them. This idea was also expressed by some on this thread and I think many would agree. Of course, I believe that the upheaval will be manmade. The chastisement from God will be later if there is not a complete turning back to God.
     
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