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The event of the Warning begins with the letter "A. "

Discussion in 'GARABANDAL LIBRARY' started by local, Oct 7, 2015.

  1. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    There is also the promise that those (at least some) who are martyred for the faith (which could include a death due to being a "white" martyr rather than by blood/red) during the persecution prior to the New Era will be resurrected and come to live during that Era. We shouldn't expect that period to be anything like what we know now as usual.

    Something very good written about this is from Mark Mallett's earlier writings this year:

    The Coming Resurrection

    http://www.markmallett.com/blog/the-coming-resurrection/
     
  2. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    This is literal explanation of Rev 20 and is not supported by Catholic teaching. This sentences should be interpreted according to Gospel: there is first ressurection from sin and second is the final. The First death is sin, the second the Hell
     
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  3. Hi Richard what about Elijah and Moses who were seen talking with Jesus in the Transfiguration.
     
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  4. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Did you read the whole thing? There is no definitive "teaching" in Catholic theology regarding this interim coming....it is rather still being studied with openness to the ongoing writings by theologians of eschatology like Fr. Iannuzi. The early Church Fathers and various saints speak to this and their writings and statements (as well as those of Popes) demonstrate these ongoing studies still in formulation by the Church when it comes to the "Sabbath Rest" time:

    The essential affirmation is of an intermediate stage in which the risen saints are still on earth and have not yet entered their final stage, for this is one of the aspects of the mystery of the last days which has yet to be revealed. —Cardinal Jean Daniélou (1905-1974), A History of Early Christian Doctrine Before the Council of Nicea, 1964, p. 377

    .....And yet, we should realize that God’s mysterious plan of salvation will not be fully understood until the end of time:

    We firmly believe that God is master of the world and of its history. But the ways of his providence are often unknown to us. Only at the end, when our partial knowledge ceases, when we see God “face to face”, will we fully know the ways by which – even through the dramas of evil and sin – God has guided his creation to that definitive sabbath rest for which he created heaven and earth.CCC n. 314

    ......It is these martyrs whom both St. John and Daniel refer to specifically as the ones who experience the first resurrection:

    I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image nor had accepted its mark on their foreheads or hands. They came to life and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years. (Dan 12:2-3; Rev 20:4)

    (and one such theologian who has been thoroughly examined by the hierarchy via his treatise of ongoing study of this New Era based on early Church Fathers, scripture, approved mystics and Popes):

    Scripture and Patristic allegories further suggest that these martyred will not return to definitively reign on earth in the flesh, but will “appear” throughout the era to instruct the remant of Israel, much like the visions and apparitions of the saints of the past. —Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi, The Splendor of Creation, The Triumph of the Divine Will on Earth and the Era of Peace in the Writings of the Church Fathers, Doctors and Mystics, p. 69

    I and every other orthodox Christian feel certain that there will be a resurrection of the flesh followed by a thousand years in a rebuilt, embellished, and enlarged city of Jerusalem, as was announced by the Prophets Ezekiel, Isaias and others… A man among us named John, one of Christ’s Apostles, received and foretold that the followers of Christ would dwell in Jerusalem for a thousand years, and that afterwards the universal and, in short, everlasting resurrection and judgment would take place. —St. Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, Ch. 81, The Fathers of the Church, Christian Heritage

    So how that "living" of the resurrected takes place during the promised Era is still being awaited, the Church certainly keeps open that kind of future after a purification takes place. One who doesn't include these considerations which the Church gives Herself is the one who on his/her own is limited to a type of literal understanding of what as yet hasn't been determined in its final understanding....even by the Church!
     
  5. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Elijah never died. He was taken up and awaits his end time mission as one of the Two Witnesses. Enoch was also "taken up" and preserved and most of the Church Fathers felt he was the second of the Two Witnesses. But others feel it is Moses, not Enoch, who returns with Elijah. As for the rest of us, the Church teaches that our bodies are not reunited to our souls until the Last Judgement:


    The Eleventh Article of the Creed

    1 Q. What are we taught by the Eleventh Article: The Resurrection of the body?
    A. The Eleventh Article of the Creed teaches us that all men will rise again, every soul resuming the body it had in this life.

    2 Q. How will the resurrection of the dead be accomplished?
    A. The resurrection of the dead will be accomplished by the virtue of the Omnipotent God, to whom nothing is impossible.

    3 Q. When will the resurrection of the dead take place?
    A. The resurrection of the dead shall take place at the end of the world, and shall be followed by the General Judgment.

    4 Q. Why does God will the resurrection of the body?
    A. God wills the resurrection of the body, in order that the soul, having done good or evil while united with the body, may also be rewarded or punished along with it.

    5 Q. Will all rise in the same way?
    A. No, there will be a vast difference between the bodies of the elect and the bodies of the damned; because only the bodies of the elect shall have, like the risen Christ, the endowments of glorified bodies.

    6 Q. What are the endowments that are to adorn the bodies of the elect?
    A. The endowments that shall adorn the bodies of the elect are: (1) Impassibility, by which they can never again be subject to evil, nor to any kind of pain, nor to need of food, of rest or the like; (2) Brightness, by which they shall shine as the sun and as so many stars; (3) Agility, by which they shall be able to pass in a moment and without fatigue from one place to another and from earth to heaven; (4) Subtlety, by which without hindrance they shall be able to penetrate any body, as did Jesus Christ when risen from the dead.

    7 Q. And the bodies of the damned, what of them?
    A. The bodies of the damned shall be destitute of all the endowments of the glorified bodies of the blessed, and shall bear upon them the appalling mark of eternal reprobation.

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/catechsm/piusxcat.htm
     
  6. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Sorry, David, the prophecy of "new eyes" was never questioned until after Joey died. Can't have it both ways.
     
  7. What about the good thief? Just asking
     
  8. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    It doesn't matter whether people questioned "new eyes" or not. The ONLY issue is what Conchita said. The prophecy was what Conchita said that Mary told her. End of story. How other people interpret things is totally irrelevant.
     
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  9. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    His soul went to Heaven.
     
  10. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    So, Joey will be alive on the day of the Miracle. This means he must be resurrected. The "spiritual eyes" argument doesn't wash.
     
  11. Nah Richard Sorry - I'm with Conchita and Our Lady on this one. Joey shall see.
    Peace
     
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  12. Booklady

    Booklady Archangels

    Spanish is a romance language, which is based on Latin. Romance languages includes languages such as Castellano (Spanish), Italian, French, Portuguese, Catalan, Romanian, and others lesser used languages such as Galego and Astur in Spain. English, is a unique language, it is not solely a Germanic language, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, almost a third of English words stem from Latin words, and almost another third stem from French root words. Understandable given the history of Britain.

    In this case, it would be interpreted as "similar" to the collision of two stars. I've wondered about this statement of Conchita's. How does she know how two stars colliding sound like? She was only a child of 12 or so when she heard this. Interesting.
     
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  13. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    The Warning should be really the Second Coming of Christ (Rev 19-20).

    Don Gobbi: His second coming (December 24, 1978 The Holy Night) Mary says: "My beloved sons, I am gathering you here with Me, close to the poor manger, waiting to place in it my new-born Child. This is the Holy Night. You are spending it in prayer and recollection. You are spending it with Me. In this night, darkness covers everything, and silence has now dimmed every sound, when suddenly a new light pours forth from Heaven and the festive voices of Angels resound along the deserted roadways of the world. The desert of the world opens to receive its God who is born of Me in his human life. His second coming, beloved sons, will be like the first. As was his birth on this night, so also will be the return of Jesus in glory, before his final coming for the last judgement, the hour of which is still hidden in the secrets of the Father. The world will be completely covered in the darkness of the denial of God, of its obstinate rejection of Him and of rebellion against his Law of love. The coldness of hatred will still cause the roadways of this world to be deserted. Almost no one will be ready to receive Him. The great ones will not even remember Him, the rich will close their doors on Him, while his own will be too busy with seeking and affirming themselves... 'When the Son of Man comes, will He stiII find faith on the earth?' He will come suddenly and the world will not be ready for his coming. . He will come for a judgement for which man will find himself unprepared. He will come to establish his Kingdom in the world, after having defeated and annihilated his enemies. Even in this second coming, the Son will come to you through his Mother. As the Word of the Father made use of my virginal womb to come to you, so also will Jesus make use of my Immaculate Heart to come and reign in your midst. This is the hour of my Immaculate Heart, because the coming of Jesus' glorious Reign of love is now in preparation. Beloved sons, just as I did, you too must prepare yourselves to receive Him! This Holy Night is a sign and a grace for you. I am gathering you together close to his poor manger to fill the vast emptiness which humanity has made for Him.
     
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  14. Byron

    Byron Archangels

    So beautiful!
     
  15. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    LV,

    I have not studied Father Gobbi's messages but this is very beautiful. Thank you for posting it.

    I believe it is true that this is a man-made term, "The Second Coming", which is normally used to refer to Christ returning in his glorified body. Therefore, there is some confusion when this term is used in relation to the Warning but I still like your post very much. I think that when the Warning occurs Christ will have come to mankind in spirit, those of whom have forgotten him and others who never believed that he was in fact the Messiah will be converted. Many, many conversions will take place! I pray that he will reign in our midst like never before. I pray that the world understands what they have always had available to them in the Church, the Sacrifice of the Mass!

    Peace to you!
     
  16. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    The Warning is not related to the second coming of Christ, which Father Gobbi speaks of in message 166, nor is it related to Revelations 19-20. The second coming of Christ in the flesh happens at the end of the world when he will come to judge the living and the dead in the general judgement. However, Revelations 19-20 is related to our moment in time after the Warning followed by the 1290 days of the reign of the Antichrist, which brings about the 1000 year era of peace that Revelations 19-20 speaks of prior to the Second Coming of Jesus and the general judgement.

    The following message to Jennifer builds on the same details that was given to St. Faustina as follows:

    Words from Jesus
    "My child, you are witnessing a vision of the warning to come."

    The sky is dark and it seems as though it is night but my heart tells me it is sometime in the afternoon. I see the sky opening up and I can hear long, drawn out claps of thunder. When I look up I see Jesus bleeding on the cross and people are falling to their knees.

    Jesus then tells me, "They will see their soul as I see it." I can see the wounds so clearly on Jesus and Jesus then says, "They will see each wound they have added to My Most Sacred Heart."

    To the left I see the Blessed Mother weeping and then Jesus speaks to me again and says, “Prepare, prepare now for the time is soon approaching. My child, pray for the many souls who will perish because of their selfish and sinful ways." As I look up I see the drops of blood falling from Jesus and hitting the earth. I see millions of people from nations from all lands. Many seemed confused as they were looking up toward the sky.

    Jesus says, "They are in search of light for it should not be a time of darkness, yet it is the darkness of sin that covers this earth and the only light will be that of which I come with for mankind does not realize the awakening that is about to be bestowed upon him. This will be the greatest purification since the beginning of creation."

    I see people crying and some with horrifying screams when they see Jesus bleeding on the cross. Jesus says, “It is not the sight of My wounds that causes their suffering; it is the depth of the soul knowing that he has placed them there. It is not the sight of My wounds bleeding that causes their suffering; it is knowing that man’s rejection of Me has caused My wounds to bleed.”

    “My child, so many will perish for their souls have become so far from Me yet it is I, Jesus, that will show the great depth of My mercy." "My child you see that the earth has been trembling for as this hour of purification of enlightenment draws near, the fury of the lion will be prowling amongst My people. The temptation will multiply for he seeks his many victims.

    It will be the greatest spiritual battle man has ever endured. My child, tell My people that today I am asking that they take heed to My words for the sign in the east is about to rise. Tell My people that this is the hour for I am Jesus and all will be done according to My will."

    As I look up I continue to see Jesus bleeding on the cross. I continue to see the Blessed Mother weeping to the left. The cross is bright white and illuminated in the sky, it looks suspended. As the sky is opening up I see a bright light come down on the cross and in this light I see the resurrected Jesus appear in white look up toward heaven raising His hands, He then looks down at the earth and makes the sign of the cross blessing His people.
     
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  17. Byron

    Byron Archangels

    Father never meant, I believe, that Christ would be coming in the flesh during His second Coming. Father Gobbi considered the Second coming, the intermediate coming, before the last coming at the end of the world.
     
  18. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    Poem 594. Jesus says: Remain in God and in His truth. I am the Truth and I teach the truth. So I repeat to you once again: whatever they may say about Me, do not believe it. I alone have spoken the truth. I alone tell you that the Christ will come, but when it is the end. So, if they say to you: "He is in the desert", do not go. If they say to you: "He is in that house", do not listen to them. Because in His second coming the Son of man will be like lightning striking in the east and flashing as far as the west, in a shorter time than a blink. And He will glide over the great Body, suddenly turned into a Corpse, followed by His shining angels, and He will judge. Wherever the corpse is, there will the eagles gather. And immediately after the distress of those last days, as you have been told - I am speaking of the end of time and of the world and of the resurrection of the bones, of which the prophets speak - the sun will be darkened, and the moon will shed no more light, and the stars will fall from the sky like grapes from a bunch that is too ripe and is shaken by a gale, and the powers of Heaven will be shaken. And then in the darkened vault of heaven the dazzling sign of the Son of Man will appear, and all the nations of the Earth will weep, and men will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with great power and glory. And He will order His angels to reap the corn and gather the grapes, and to separate the darnel from the corn, and to throw the grapes into the vat, because the time of the great harvest of Adam's seed has come, and there will be no more need to keep small bunches or seeds, because the human race will never be perpetuated again on the dead Earth. And He will order His angels to gather the chosen with loud trumpets from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to another, so that they may be beside the Divine Judge to judge with Him the last living men and those who have been raised from the dead.

    once again:

    Remain in God and in His truth. I am the Truth and I teach the truth. So I repeat to you once again: whatever they may say about Me, do not believe it. I alone have spoken the truth. I alone tell you that the Christ will come, but when it is the end (of times - see line 5: And immediately after...). So, if they say to you: "He is in the desert", do not go. If they say to you: "He is in that house", do not listen to them. Because in His second coming the Son of man will be like lightning striking in the east and flashing as far as the west, in a shorter time than a blink (like during the collision of two stars). And He will glide over the great Body, suddenly turned into a Corpse (like st. Matrona Moskovskaya saw), followed by His shining (three) angels (mentioned in Revelation), and He will judge (as the King of Mercy). Wherever the corpse is, there will the eagles gather (crying Woe! Woe! Woe! - Rev 8.13). And immediately after the distress of those last days, as you have been told - I am speaking of the end of time and of the (old) world (the great Babylon) and of the resurrection of the (spiritual) bones (without flesh - love), of which the prophets speak (e.g. Ezekiel, who called the second Pentecost "the resurrection of the bones") - the sun will be darkened, and the moon will shed no more light, and the stars will fall from the sky like grapes from a bunch that is too ripe and is shaken by a gale, and the powers of Heaven will be shaken. And then in the darkened vault of heaven the (cross -) dazzling sign of the Son of Man will appear (as prophet Zechariah saw, with Son of Man in flesh), and all the nations of the Earth will weep, and men will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with great power and glory (as saw John in Revelation 19-20 to come to establish his Kingdom in the world... for a certain time). (And then, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.) And He (Son of Man) will order His angels to gather the chosen with loud trumpets from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to another, so that they may be beside the Divine Judge to judge with Him the last living men and those who have been raised from the (spiritual) dead (after the Second Coming, as John saw). (Those, who got new flesh - love - during the first resurection of bones.) (And John adds: I saw a great white throne, and him that sat upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead that were in it; and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, even the lake of fire. And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.)

    Sisters and brothers, be prepared as our beloved Mary says: believe and pray and live in grace and the expectation of your personal meeting with Him.
     
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  19. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    You are correct Byron. Fr. Gobbi explains this at the International MMP retreat with Priests and also does Fr. Roux in his booklet, "In Defense of the Orthodoxy of the MMP and Fr. Gobbi.
    He states that Jesus does NOT come in the flesh, but spiritually. This is what Fr. Roux says, "Jesus will not be present in the flesh, but will reign in OUR WILL and, in a most powerful way, by means of the Eucharist."
     
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  20. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    There are Three Comings of God Son.
    1. The First one in flesh.
    2. The intermediate (second) one in spirit (during a judgement) mentioned in Gospel.
    3. The final (third) one in flesh mentioned in Revelation and in Nicene Credo.

    The intermediate coming is the Second Coming by the order.
    In the original text of Don Gobbi are used phrases: La seconda venuta+ un giudizio and una ultima venuta+il Giudizio. Italian words la/il (the) are used for known truths. Words una/un (a) are used for unknown truths. God in his mercy extended the time between the Second Coming and Final Judgement, so Our Lady announced a "trial" judgement and the Final Coming. But God is even more merciful. He extended the time between the Final Coming and Final Judgement for the expiation in Purgatory.
    So we could know the year of the Second Coming, the year of the final Coming (and Jesus with Mary know it), but no one can know the date of Final Judgement, only God Father, The Justice, because only Father can release a soul from Purgatory.
     
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