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Discussion in 'GARABANDAL LIBRARY' started by local, Oct 7, 2015.

  1. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    There is also the promise that those (at least some) who are martyred for the faith (which could include a death due to being a "white" martyr rather than by blood/red) during the persecution prior to the New Era will be resurrected and come to live during that Era. We shouldn't expect that period to be anything like what we know now as usual.

    Something very good written about this is from Mark Mallett's earlier writings this year:

    The Coming Resurrection

  2. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    This is literal explanation of Rev 20 and is not supported by Catholic teaching. This sentences should be interpreted according to Gospel: there is first ressurection from sin and second is the final. The First death is sin, the second the Hell
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  3. Hi Richard what about Elijah and Moses who were seen talking with Jesus in the Transfiguration.
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  4. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Did you read the whole thing? There is no definitive "teaching" in Catholic theology regarding this interim coming....it is rather still being studied with openness to the ongoing writings by theologians of eschatology like Fr. Iannuzi. The early Church Fathers and various saints speak to this and their writings and statements (as well as those of Popes) demonstrate these ongoing studies still in formulation by the Church when it comes to the "Sabbath Rest" time:

    The essential affirmation is of an intermediate stage in which the risen saints are still on earth and have not yet entered their final stage, for this is one of the aspects of the mystery of the last days which has yet to be revealed. —Cardinal Jean Daniélou (1905-1974), A History of Early Christian Doctrine Before the Council of Nicea, 1964, p. 377

    .....And yet, we should realize that God’s mysterious plan of salvation will not be fully understood until the end of time:

    We firmly believe that God is master of the world and of its history. But the ways of his providence are often unknown to us. Only at the end, when our partial knowledge ceases, when we see God “face to face”, will we fully know the ways by which – even through the dramas of evil and sin – God has guided his creation to that definitive sabbath rest for which he created heaven and earth.CCC n. 314

    ......It is these martyrs whom both St. John and Daniel refer to specifically as the ones who experience the first resurrection:

    I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image nor had accepted its mark on their foreheads or hands. They came to life and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years. (Dan 12:2-3; Rev 20:4)

    (and one such theologian who has been thoroughly examined by the hierarchy via his treatise of ongoing study of this New Era based on early Church Fathers, scripture, approved mystics and Popes):

    Scripture and Patristic allegories further suggest that these martyred will not return to definitively reign on earth in the flesh, but will “appear” throughout the era to instruct the remant of Israel, much like the visions and apparitions of the saints of the past. —Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi, The Splendor of Creation, The Triumph of the Divine Will on Earth and the Era of Peace in the Writings of the Church Fathers, Doctors and Mystics, p. 69

    I and every other orthodox Christian feel certain that there will be a resurrection of the flesh followed by a thousand years in a rebuilt, embellished, and enlarged city of Jerusalem, as was announced by the Prophets Ezekiel, Isaias and others… A man among us named John, one of Christ’s Apostles, received and foretold that the followers of Christ would dwell in Jerusalem for a thousand years, and that afterwards the universal and, in short, everlasting resurrection and judgment would take place. —St. Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, Ch. 81, The Fathers of the Church, Christian Heritage

    So how that "living" of the resurrected takes place during the promised Era is still being awaited, the Church certainly keeps open that kind of future after a purification takes place. One who doesn't include these considerations which the Church gives Herself is the one who on his/her own is limited to a type of literal understanding of what as yet hasn't been determined in its final understanding....even by the Church!
  5. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Elijah never died. He was taken up and awaits his end time mission as one of the Two Witnesses. Enoch was also "taken up" and preserved and most of the Church Fathers felt he was the second of the Two Witnesses. But others feel it is Moses, not Enoch, who returns with Elijah. As for the rest of us, the Church teaches that our bodies are not reunited to our souls until the Last Judgement:

    The Eleventh Article of the Creed

    1 Q. What are we taught by the Eleventh Article: The Resurrection of the body?
    A. The Eleventh Article of the Creed teaches us that all men will rise again, every soul resuming the body it had in this life.

    2 Q. How will the resurrection of the dead be accomplished?
    A. The resurrection of the dead will be accomplished by the virtue of the Omnipotent God, to whom nothing is impossible.

    3 Q. When will the resurrection of the dead take place?
    A. The resurrection of the dead shall take place at the end of the world, and shall be followed by the General Judgment.

    4 Q. Why does God will the resurrection of the body?
    A. God wills the resurrection of the body, in order that the soul, having done good or evil while united with the body, may also be rewarded or punished along with it.

    5 Q. Will all rise in the same way?
    A. No, there will be a vast difference between the bodies of the elect and the bodies of the damned; because only the bodies of the elect shall have, like the risen Christ, the endowments of glorified bodies.

    6 Q. What are the endowments that are to adorn the bodies of the elect?
    A. The endowments that shall adorn the bodies of the elect are: (1) Impassibility, by which they can never again be subject to evil, nor to any kind of pain, nor to need of food, of rest or the like; (2) Brightness, by which they shall shine as the sun and as so many stars; (3) Agility, by which they shall be able to pass in a moment and without fatigue from one place to another and from earth to heaven; (4) Subtlety, by which without hindrance they shall be able to penetrate any body, as did Jesus Christ when risen from the dead.

    7 Q. And the bodies of the damned, what of them?
    A. The bodies of the damned shall be destitute of all the endowments of the glorified bodies of the blessed, and shall bear upon them the appalling mark of eternal reprobation.

  6. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Sorry, David, the prophecy of "new eyes" was never questioned until after Joey died. Can't have it both ways.
  7. What about the good thief? Just asking
  8. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    It doesn't matter whether people questioned "new eyes" or not. The ONLY issue is what Conchita said. The prophecy was what Conchita said that Mary told her. End of story. How other people interpret things is totally irrelevant.
  9. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    His soul went to Heaven.
  10. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    So, Joey will be alive on the day of the Miracle. This means he must be resurrected. The "spiritual eyes" argument doesn't wash.
  11. Nah Richard Sorry - I'm with Conchita and Our Lady on this one. Joey shall see.
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  12. Booklady

    Booklady Archangels

    Spanish is a romance language, which is based on Latin. Romance languages includes languages such as Castellano (Spanish), Italian, French, Portuguese, Catalan, Romanian, and others lesser used languages such as Galego and Astur in Spain. English, is a unique language, it is not solely a Germanic language, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, almost a third of English words stem from Latin words, and almost another third stem from French root words. Understandable given the history of Britain.

    In this case, it would be interpreted as "similar" to the collision of two stars. I've wondered about this statement of Conchita's. How does she know how two stars colliding sound like? She was only a child of 12 or so when she heard this. Interesting.
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