Padraig, I had no idea that he has written this to you. This is no good at all. You are, of course, completely right to exclude him from the forum. Joe should see that he did not follow Jesus' commandments. I will try not to react anymore so emotionally. Please accept my apologies. I was yesterday in a mood because of my family and reading this thread, made me even more sad. And then I did the big mistake of not reading all the messages in this thread... Anyway, in my prayer group, two months ago, there was a woman who was distroying the good spirit of the group and when I asked her to follow the directions set up, she answered "I will see". Then she wrote by sms that I was not the "leader" of the group but Mary. I replied: Indeed the group belongs to Mary and that is why there are rules to maintain order, but that if she did not like this, she was free to go to another prayer group. She then insulted me which words I will not repeat here. I only advised her to go to confession and that was all: she never returned back although I continue to see her in Holy Mess. Even if we do good things (you, creating a wonderful forum, me, having a small prayer group), there will always be interrupters trying to destroy work for God. We have to be awake all the time. Not easy at all, because we try not to offend them in return.