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The Coming Chastisement.

Discussion in 'Questions and Answers' started by Mac, Nov 26, 2016.

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You think a chastisement is upon us?

  1. You think it is decades away?

    7 vote(s)
    16.7%
  2. You think the church has never been better?

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. You think a chastisement is upon us?

    23 vote(s)
    54.8%
  4. You think a chastisement has been underway for decades?

    16 vote(s)
    38.1%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    So much prophecy speaks of Chastisement.
    What can we really expect?
    What is it that actually brings about the chastisement?



    I will start with these messages ....
    BLESSED ELIZABETH CANORI-MORA, 1774-1825
    "The Justice of God will chastise you."

    On Christmas Day, 1813, Elizabeth was transported to a place bathed in light. There, numerous saints surrounded a humble manger, from which the Holy Child beckoned her.

    I saw my beloved newborn Jesus bathed in his own blood. At that moment, I understood why the blood of the newborn Divine Infant had been spilled - the bad conduct of many priests and religious who did not behave according to their state, the poor education given children by their fathers and mothers.3

    The angels conducted Elizabeth to secret lairs where clerics conspired to topple thrones and destroy the remnants of Christian civilization.

    I saw many ministers of the Lord who renounced one another, furiously ripping from their person the sacred vestments. I say the holy altars torn down by the very ministers of God.4

    I saw the Sanhedrin of wolves that surrounded the Pope and two angels weeping. A holy boldness inspired me to ask the reason for their sad lamentations. Contemplating the city of Rome with compassionate eyes, they replied, "Miserable city, ungrateful people, the justice of God will chastise you."5

    "The entire world was in chaos."

    The angels showed Elizabeth the destruction that God has in store for a world that refuses to heed his words.

    Thunderbolts of divine justice flamed about me. Buildings fell into ruin. Cities, provinces and countries - the entire world was in chaos. One heard nothing save voices weakly begging for mercy. The number of dead was incalculable.6

    What most impressed Elizabeth was the sight of God as a giant.

    His omnipotent hands were filled with bolts of lightning. His face was resplendent with indignation. His gaze alone was enough to incinerate the world. Neither angels nor saints accompanied Him - only His indignation.7

    Of this vision, Elizabeth wrote, "Had it lasted more than a moment, I surely would have died

    "The Mother of God did not implore God for mercy."

    On June 13, 1917, Our Lady showed Lucia, Francisco, and Jacinta her Immaculate Heart, surrounded by thorns, symbols of the wounds inflicted by our sins. Elizabeth was also shown how grievously our sins offend the Blessed Virgin. Seeing the sorrow in Our Lady's eyes, she asked her why she grieved.

    "Contemplate, O daughter," Our Lady replied, "Contemplate the great impiety."

    Hearing these words, I saw brazen apostates boldly seeking to wrench her Holy Son from her most pure bosom. In face of this outrage, the Mother of God did not implore God for mercy, but instead called for justice. Robed in inexorable justice, the Eternal Father turned his indignant gaze toward the world. At that moment, nature convulsed and the world lost its bearings as it sank beneath a misery beyond imagination.9

    "Woe to those who embrace the condemnable philosophies of our day."

    On July 6, 1815, God again revealed to Elizabeth the chastisement brought down on mankind by "rapacious wolves in sheep's clothing, bitter persecutors of Jesus Crucified and his bride, the Church."

    The whole world was in convulsion, especially the city of Rome. At the Sacred College, some had been dispersed, others humiliated and still others ruthlessly assassinated. The clergy and nobility suffered similar fates.10

    On June 28, 1820, the feast of Saints Peter and Paul, Elizabeth beheld the Prince of the Apostles descending from Heaven in pontifical vestments and escorted by a legion of angels. With his crosier, St. Peter drew an immense cross upon the Earth; on each of its ends verdant trees appeared enveloped in brilliant light. Here the godly - religious and lay alike - found refuge from the torment.

    Yet woe to those religious who scorned the holy rules, because all will perish under the terrible scourge. This applies to all who embrace licentiousness and the condemnable philosophies of our day.11

    "With a wave of his right hand, He will punish them."

    Elizabeth continued her account of her fearsome vision:

    The firmament was covered with a tenebrous blue, a terrifying sight. The wind's impetuous breath was felt everywhere as its violent roar - like that of a ferocious lion - echoed across the globe.

    Terror will reduce men and beasts to utter fear, and they will kill one another without pity. The avenging hand of the omnipotent God weigh down on these miserable souls, and He will chastise their shameless pride and impudent temerity.

    With a wave of his hand, He will punish them, setting loose from Hell legions of demons to scourge the world, executing the demands of Divine Justice.

    Because they surrendered their souls to Satan and allied themselves with him to strike against the Holy Catholic Church, God will permit these iniquitous men to be chastised by ferocious demons who will devastate every place where man has affronted and profaned Him.12

    "I will reform my people and my Church."*

    Thanks be to God, the similarity of these supernatural manifestations a century apart does not end with their depiction of the catastrophic chastisement awaiting those who mock God and his laws. Like the consoling promise of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary given us at Fatima, the message of Blessed Elizabeth offers the faithful cause for hope.

    After the purification described above had been accomplished, Elizabeth saw Saint Peter descending from Heaven on a majestic pontifical throne. He was followed by Saint Paul, who "traversed the world to imprison those malignant infernal spirits and bring them before the holy Apostle Saint Peter who, with authority, confined them to the dark netherworld from which they had been released. Then a beautiful radiance shone above the Earth, announcing the reconciliation of God and man"13 and the remnant of faithful Catholics were led from their place of refuge to the throne of Saint Peter.

    The Saint chose the new Pope, and the Church was reformed to the precepts of the Gospel. The religious orders were reestablished, and every Christian home was permeated with such zeal for the glory of God that all acclaimed the triumph and honor of the Holy Catholic Church.14

    Thus Our Lord would fulfill what He had confided to Elizabeth in 1821:

    I will reform my people and my Church. I will send zealous priests to preach the Faith. I will form a new apostolate. I will send the Holy Ghost to renew the earth. I will reform the religious orders with holy men and women who possess the spirit of my beloved son Ignatius. I will give a new Pastor to my Church who, with holy zeal, will reform the flock of Christ.
     
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  2. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    A couple of questions regarding Blessed E Moras messages.

    What would be an example of this?...Woe to those who embrace the condemnable philosophies of our day.

    Why does the church have to be reformed?...The Saint chose the new Pope, and the Church was reformed to the precepts of the Gospel.
     
  3. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Marie Julie Jahenny said the Chastisement will have 3 parts, the first long and slow. I think we just finished that.
    There has been a Chastisement of sorts going on for a long time, but personally I think "The Chastisement" proper has just begun in the past few weeks.

    "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres...churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord."
    -Akita,
    October 13, 1973
     
  4. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    The way we now see Cardinals opposing Cardinals is certainly fulfilling Akita.
    That just leaves the Chastisement part.

    'The church will be full of those who accept compromise'....it will be full. Full is quite a lot.
     
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  5. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I think that is the Chastisement part. I think we face years of the Church hanging on the cross, slowly dying. Though it will never truly disappear, only seem about to.
    We have been told that the duration and severity of the Chastisement will depend upon how man responds to Our Lady's call. I don't think I am being too presumptive in saying we have hardly responded at all. In fact mostly She has been ignored. :(
    That would seem to indicate a very long and hard Chastisement of wars, disease, grave problems in the Church and the world, etc.
    The culmination of which will be the Three Days of Darkness and fire falling from the sky.
     
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  6. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    At some point, perhaps in the very near future, Pope Benedict's prophecy will unfold. It will be a very specific moment when we will all have to choose what Church we want to follow, the one that becomes very small, but very holy or the one that clearly goes against what has been taught since the time of Christ walking this earth. I fear this moment may well be the 'trigger' that God's justice will allow global war, economic, governmental and social collapse.

    The church will become small
    • CARDINAL JOSEPH RATZINGER
    The church will become small and will have to start afresh more or less from the beginning.

    She will no longer be able to inhabit many of the edifices she built in prosperity. As the number of her adherents diminishes . . . she will lose many of her social privileges. . . As a small society, [the Church] will make much bigger demands on the initiative of her individual members....

    It will be hard-going for the Church, for the process of crystallization and clarification will cost her much valuable energy. It will make her poor and cause her to become the Church of the meek . . . The process will be long and wearisome as was the road from the false progressivism on the eve of the French Revolution — when a bishop might be thought smart if he made fun of dogmas and even insinuated that the existence of God was by no means certain . . . But when the trial of this sifting is past, a great power will flow from a more spiritualized and simplified Church. Men in a totally planned world will find themselves unspeakably lonely. If they have completely lost sight of God, they will feel the whole horror of their poverty. Then they will discover the little flock of believers as something wholly new. They will discover it as a hope that is meant for them, an answer for which they have always been searching in secret.

    And so it seems certain to me that the Church is facing very hard times. The real crisis has scarcely begun. We will have to count on terrific upheavals. But I am equally certain about what will remain at the end: not the Church of the political cult, which is dead already, but the Church of faith. She may well no longer be the dominant social power to the extent that she was until recently; but she will enjoy a fresh blossoming and be seen as man's home, where he will find life and hope beyond death.
     
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  7. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    I think that we have already met the criteria for your statement in bold above. This statement is for all members of the church and many of us already accept compromise don't we?

    But I believe that the chastisement which was shown at Akita will occur when the False Prophet and the Anti-Christ are in control, when the abomination of desolation occurs and is accepted by a large number of people. This will be the tipping point. I think of what Father Malachi Martin said as far as the timeframe, soon.

    https://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/AKITA.HTM
     
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  8. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    I think the Dubia having support from 4 Cardinals and only a few Bishops shows that those who accept compromise are full.
    Full means Full. No empty space, no room for more.

    I hope you are wrong Praetorian.I hope we do not have years or decades more of the church hanging on the cross.
    The church has been dying,in decline for 50yrs already.Already a long time of wars,disease and grave problems in the church ,etc.
    You may well be right of course.

    I have heard it said the Chastisement will come for the good of men. When they can no longer respond to grace. That at least faced with chastisement some will convert. Like some did in the time of Noah. At least as the rain fell.Some would have repented.
     
  9. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    My personal opinion is that Cardinal Ratzinger has received no messages and cannot make any prophecy.
    He has probably a great overview of all tradition,
    and the benefit of having read the full 3rd secret.
    We have Bishops and Cardinals already making fun of Dogmas, even the Bishop of R.... [we must not speak of this till next month]
    Interesting Cardinal Ratzinger speaks of 'false progress'. A series of monthly videos this year ...[we must not speak of this till next month]
     
  10. I would say that we are still in labor contractions.
    The pains have not started yet...
     
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  11. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    :) And I hope you are wrong.:ROFLMAO:

    The fear during contractions can be worse than the end.
    After contractions ,we are at least in no doubt.
    Doubt is one of our worst enemies.And many have been in pain for decades. At least those who have been in the fight.
     
  12. DevotedToOurLady

    DevotedToOurLady New Member

    Often the core message that seems to be overlooked or lost is that whether or not there will be a chastisement and to what, if any, degree that it may occur is entirely up to us:

    "As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity.
    ...

    Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests."
    ~Our Lady of Akita
     
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  13. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    That statement is for us all. But points to the failure of the religious in particular.
    Fr Malachi Martins timeline runs out in a few weeks,I think. Was it in 97 he said it would all be over within 20yrs?
    Is it possible the abomination of desolation has already been accepted by most already?
     
  14. As a Garabandalist I feel compelled to respond. Marie Julie may be on the money but there is as you say, Praetorian, a difference bewteen A Chastisement 'of sorts' and The Conditional Chastisement as prophesied at Garabandal. If one accepts the witness of the seers it is clear we have not yet entered The Chastisement of Garabandal by a long shot. If it comes we are told it will come as a punishment directly from God as His anger is vented and His justice imposed and will be horrible and terryfying beyond our imagining. It may, as they say, be for the good of mankind but I for one would prefer not to go through it. I hope that by then I will be home in heaven. It will be much worse than The Tribulation. Before The Chastisement we have to go through The Tribulation, The Warning and The Miracle. Our Lady said the Chastisement will only come if mankind does not change for the better after the Miracle. Just saying.
     
  15. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    The "Chastisement of sorts" = the Tribulation predicted in Garabandal
     
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  16. For me the 'of sorts' is too vague. We need to be able to identify The Tribulation. When asked what the Tribulation was, Our Lady answered 'Communism'.
     
  17. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    So the Tribulation and Chastisement are two different things for the Garabandalist Joe?
     
  18. Yes, on the first night of screams the girls were given a preview of The Tribulation. They described this as horrifying enough but was "not even the Chastisement" which was shown to them on the second night. The Chastisement sounds like Akita which was still conditional. The Trubulation cannot be avoided. So yes, they are different, at least for this Garabandal believer.
     
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  19. The Tribulation will come at the hands of man and will result from man's wrongs. The Chastisement will come directly from God as a result of His anger.
     
  20. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Thanks Joe.
    You know I cannot commit to Garabandal,but it is always interesting.[and frustrating:)]
     

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