ETA, I have a question, while Mr. Yague's astro may still be hard for us to spot, how about the many satellites which orbit the earth? Could one of these not have spotted this dark star?
Possibly....at least now the formerly doubting scientists at CalTech and others have made estimations due to the wobble of outer planets they surmise is caused by this large object. There are several articles from the 1980s speaking to the findings of NASA and other agencies before everything became hushed up and debunked....until now when independents are speaking out and things can no longer be hidden. Russia is pretty open with its information though. ASTRONOMY MAGAZINE December 1981 Search for the Tenth Planet Astronomers are readying telescopes to probe the outer reaches of our solar system for an elusive planet much larger than Earth. Its existence would explain a 160-year-old mystery. ... The pull exerted by its gravity would account for a wobble in Uranus' orbit that was first detected in 1821 by a French astronomer, Alexis Bouvard. Beyond Pluto, in the cold, dark regions of space, may lie an undiscovered tenth planet two to five times the size of Earth. Astronomers at the U.S. Naval Observatory (USNO) are using a powerful computer to identify the best target zones, and a telescopic search will follow soon after. ... Van Flandern thinks the tenth planet may be between two and five Earth masses and lie 50 to 100 astronomical units (4.6 Billion-9.3 Billion Miles) -from the Sun. His team also presumes that, like Pluto's, the plane of the undiscovered body's orbit is tilted with respect to that of most other planets, and that its path around the Sun is highly elliptical. NEW YORK TIMES June 19th, 1982 A pair of American spacecraft may help scientists detect what could be a 10th planet or a giant object billions of miles away, the national Aeronautics and Space Administration said Thursday. Scientists at the space agency's Ames Research Center said the two spacecraft, Pioneer 10 and 11, which are already farther into space than any other man-made object, might add to knowledge of a mysterious object believed to be beyond the solar system's outermost known planets. NEWSWEEK June 28th, 1982 Does the Sun Have a Dark Companion? When scientists noticed that Uranus wasn't following its predicted orbit for example, they didn't question their theories. Instead they blamed the anomalies on an as yet unseen planet and, sure enough, Neptune was discovered in 1846. Now astronomers are using the same strategy to explain quirks in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune. According to John Anderson of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., this odd behavior suggests that the sun has an unseen companion, a dark star gravitationally bound to it but billions of miles away. ASTRONOMY MAGAZINE Oct 1982 Searching for a 10th Planet The hunt for new worlds hasn't ended. Both Uranus and Neptune follow irregular paths that observers can explain only by assuming the presence of an unknown body whose gravity tugs at the two planets. The only way it could be noticed while at such a distance due to the fact that it doesn't give off its own light, "dark star", was via those telescopes equipped with infrared lenses. The first such satellite was the IRAS, launched in 1983. THE WASHINGTON POST December 30th, 1983 By Thomas O'Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite. ...... The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the supercold helium that allowed its telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens. The second observation took place six months after the first and suggested the mystery body had not moved from its spot in the sky near the western edge of the constellation Orion in that time. "This suggests it's not a comet because a comet would not be as large as the one we've observed and a comet would probably have moved," Houck said. "A planet may have moved if it were as close as 50 billion miles but it could still be a more distant planet and not have moved in six months time." US NEWS WORLD REPORT Sept 10, 1984 Planet X - Is It Really Out There? Shrouded from the sun's light, mysteriously tugging at the orbits of Uranus and Neptune, is an unseen force that astronomers suspect may be Planet X - a 10th resident of the Earth's celestial neighborhood." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then there is the leak from the alleged CIA agent for what it's worth: “This thing has got seven planets and its own sun,” said an alleged CIA agent who claims to have witnessed the ‘mini solar system’ after intercepting image and data transmissions from the Hubble Space Telescope during his employment with the Central Intelligence Agency. “I think this thing has a planet like ours circling it. This is its own solar system. We are about to have a solar system come through the middle of our solar system — this can’t be good,” the alleged agent said. The alleged agent also said that the system will pass Earth from beneath the ecliptic plane at a distance of about twenty-million miles, “sooner than expected,” after achieving “breakaway speed from the sun.” “This thing has got seven planets and its own sun,” said an alleged CIA agent who claims to have witnessed the ‘mini solar system’ after intercepting image and data transmissions from the Hubble Space Telescope during his employment with the Central Intelligence Agency. “I think this thing has a planet like ours circling it. This is its own solar system. We are about to have a solar system come through the middle of our solar system — this can’t be good,” the alleged agent said. The alleged agent also said that the system will pass Earth from beneath the ecliptic plane at a distance of about twenty-million miles, “sooner than expected,” after achieving “breakaway speed from the sun.” ......“I watched it through the Hubble Space Telescope. And when this thing looked like it was across the street the Hubble got cut off and they encrypted it and that was the end of any transmissions we had to watch. And we know that the Hubble, in order to be in the shadow of the Earth, had to be at an angle and so that meant that is was looking downward and this thing was coming up from underneath us. I personally thin this thing is real close to us right now, but that’s just my personal feeling.” The alleged agent thinks that the planet may “experience a poll shift” when the system passes. “They have known about this thing forever,” the alleged agent pointed out. “This planet is rolling over to face this thing and when it goes by it’s going to grab our southern pole with it’s northern poll. […] There is going to be a massive earthquake when it locks on to us, as it goes passed us we’re going to follow it right upside-down, the oceans are just going to roaring from poll to poll.” The shared lease of the Vatican at the Arizona observatory is one with infrared lenses! The point has been that those few equipped to view this system have not wanted to expose an incoming earth destroying "Nemesis" to the public to avoid world chaos with demands that can't be controlled. Is this perhaps another reason for not revealing the complete 3rd secret of Fatima? The few permitted to read it have been sworn to secrecy and yet have alluded to massive and horrendous destruction, with Malachi Martin connecting the Secret to this incoming planetary system. So guess we'll find out.....one way or another!!
Pretty good article on the subject: Way back in 1940 Chilean astronomer Carlos Munoz Ferrada predicted accurately that the powers-that-be would attempt to cover-up Planet X when it comes barreling towards the earth. Ferrada referred to Nibiru/Planet X as a "Comet-Planet" because it has the size of a planet but speed and elliptical orbit of a comet. The most controversial "undiscovered" planet operating within our solar system dubbed Nibiru or Planet X was made (in)famous in 1976 by noted researcher-author Zecharia Sitchin in his bestselling book The 12th Planet. As one of few scholars able to read and interpret Sumerian clay tablets, Sitchin utilized those ancient texts to make a highly plausible case for the existence of Planet X (also known as planet Nibiru the Destroyer in ancient scripts) coming closest to planet earth every 3600 years. ..........The sun in our solar system is similar to 90% of the solar systems in the Milky Way Galaxy, all part of a binary star system containing two or more suns. The Planet X system can be considered a mini-constellation consisting of our sun's twin, classified a brown dwarf star called Nemesis. This dark star is largely invisible even with infrared due to its surrounding red iron oxide dust clouds. Nemesis possesses at least three planets that revolve around it, Nibiru and Helion both with moons, and Arboda. Though Nibiru [Nemesis] travels along an elliptical shaped orbit and enters our solar system approximately every 3600 years, one by one crossing the orbits of our solar system planets, it does not revolve around our sun. In 1990 researcher-author Zecharia Sitchin interviewed the supervising astronomer of the US Naval Observatory Robert S. Harrington to discuss Harrington's recent discovery of the red Planet X. Harrington set up a special telescopic observatory in New Zealand to track Planet X. But the renowned head of the Naval Observatory suddenly died mysteriously at age 50 of a rare form of cancer under suspicious circumstances. His wife is convinced he was murdered for allegedly leaking too much information about Planet X. But ever since Harrington's untimely death with few exceptions, the lid has been tightly sealed on any more accurate information released by mainstream sources directly to the public. Apparently the US government had made the decision to keep Nibiru and its projected earthly destruction under wraps. In recent years the feds have sent out trolls to disseminate disinformation and false propaganda in attempts to debunk any would-be truth-tellers. The elite ensure that hired shills are planted to busily churn out concentrated disinfo campaigns smearing lies to prevent the story that never quite goes away from ever having full disclosure. Of course the current standard politically correct scientific dogma (Hillary's and Al Gore's/dems) is that global warming aka climate change emanating from CO2 greenhouse gases is the obvious culprit. This mass deception is designed to conveniently obscure the multiple dire effectscaused by many decades of the globalists' geoengineering, HAARP, weather modification and weather wars, not to mention the hidden, "nonexistent" Planet X system hurtling towards us deeper inside our solar system that's likely causing tremendous changes at the surface of all our solar system planets of course including our own earth's atmosphere and global surface. In March 2010 the mainstream UK newspaper The Telegraph ran a story entitled Search on for Death Star that Throws out Deadly Comets. The sub-headline announced that NASA is looking for the twin sun that's the brown dwarf star Nemesis slowly circling our sun and periodically "catapulting" deadly comets to the earth. So as tight-lipped NASA has been over the years, little tidbits reflecting that it's still keeping an ever-present eye out for the cataclysmic Planet X system still manages to seep through to the public every now and then from so called "reputable" news sources. The article goes on to state that the star that's "five times the size of Jupiter" is the prime suspect that wiped out the dinosaur 65 million years ago. ........ With the Planet X system entering our solar system, its gravitational force is believed to launch trajectories of comets and asteroids that are large-sized space debris objects of icy rocks and dust that bombard our solar system planets including the earth. Professor John Matese, of the University of Louisiana Lafayette, believes that this Nemesis that includes planet Nibiru as part of the Planet X system is mainly responsible for supplying such a concentrated volley of comets from the Oort Cloud into our inner solar system. https://www.sott.net/article/301233...is-extreme-weather-to-be-found-in-outer-space
I confess to not reading all the information you posted because much of it is beyond my ability to understand it. One piece I could understand was what you said about the Vatican being aware but unwilling to inform people for fear of causing panic, plus the part about Malachi Martin linking the planet to the third secret of Fatima. I read, possibly on his Wikipedia page, that the head of the Vatican Observatory (the one in the YouTube video you posted yesterday) also believed that the third secret had something to do with other planets or possibly extra-terrestrials. Although I don't absorb or understand everything you post, I have to thank you for taking the trouble to share the information.
Here is a list of the main events hypothesized by Dr. Yague and their approximate dates, taken from his e-book: Detailed Chronogram About the End of Times by Antonio Yague, 1st ed. July 2015, page 21. Event and approximate dates of events based on sacred astronomy Synod of the Family (10/4 – 10/20/2015) Apparition of the Star Reported by the Press (1/11/2015- 4/1/2016) Year of Mercy (12/8/2015 – 11/20/2016) Socialist/Communist Uprising (1/1/2016 -4/13/2017) European Social Uprisings (7/1/2016 – 1/1/2017) Israel attacks Iran (7/20/2016 – 7/30/2016) Alliance of Gog, Elam, Kush, Put (7/20/2016 – 3/30/2017) Pope trip to Moscow (8/15/2016 -8/16/2016) Invasion of Gog y Magog (8/24/16 -9/30/2017) Central Europe invaded and destroyed (9/1/2016 -10/5/2016) Flight of the Two Popes from Rome (9/30/16 – 10/5/2016) Fire destroys Paris (10/10/2016 – 10/11/2016) Suppression of U. S. elections (11/8/2016 – 11/9/2016) Aviso/ Roll-over of the earth/ Giant Wave/ Illumination of Conscience (11/11/2016 -11/13/2016) This may be helpful as the dates pass and the events don't take place. Not that these won't happen, but not as theorized.
And once again, anyone who gives dates is wrong. again and again.. why is this guy given any time on here? Lets just bring back LttW
Dean, you are free to ignore Antonio Yague's hypotheses. Again, he is not giving prophecy, but scholarly hypothesis. Do not assume, because you have not been given the gift of interpreting prophecy that all others have not as well. "Do not despise prophecy, but test". Why do you despise what you do not understand?
well, I am adding my two cents here....does anyone think that perhaps the election might be suppressed to due the discovery of more Hillary emails, possibly causing lengthy investigation? We shall know in a few more days. Just a thought I have had, not worth more than two cents, maybe, but this is unexpected, hmmmmmm
In all apparitions we were advised to not search for specific dates. Such behavior is clearly coming from a spirit of confusion. A great waste of time, energy and intercession for others.
I don't mean to contradict you PofP, but I am not sure this is true. Our Lord said not to seek the date of His return, this is very true, but the date of the second coming is in a league all of it's own. Actually in many prophecies dates are definitely given or hinted at. Just off the top of my head I can think of the Fatima 100 year time period that Our Lord Himself alluded to. The 2038 prophecy by St. Hildegarde or St. Bridget (I forget which). The 2020 time period given to Jeanne LeRoyer. Indeed I think God wants us to be aware of the time.
I don't know of anyone giving absolute dates. There are many such "prophecies" that speak to bigger things happening "soon" and to not only prepare spiritually (mainly) but also speak to physical preparation. Even Mr. Yague acknowledges that and gives mainly "windows" but only related to an objective measure and other approved apparitions, not from himself as being given any particular "secret" knowledge otherwise. If the govt and the Church has facts that speak to a time that should, if known, order a time of preparation (perhaps why this year has been established for such spiritual preparation in the Divine Mercy) but without understanding by the faithful as to just why, then that is harmful to the faithful. But because the faithful have no understanding of the actual dangers ahead for their lives which understanding would be an even greater motivation for repentance (as at Fatima the spinning and diving Sun's effect upon the crowd had them down on their knees begging for mercy) things could happen without the facts being disclosed beforehand and people caught in their unrepented sins. So then we have other persons, messengers, who are more specific since a Mother can't stand by and watch her children going without warning!
Personally I put Mr. Yague in a category of his own. He does not state categorically that A, B, or C will happen. He also doesn't claim to be a prophet. He is making educated calculations with the information available. If Charlie Johnston, for example, is wrong about his prophecy of the election not happening, that to me is worlds apart from Antonio being off in his calculations. The former should go the way of LTTW. The latter should be asked what he thinks was off in his calculations.
I also don't believe that people like Antonio and others like him have the objective of identifying specific dates. They are reading the signs of the times given in revelation, just like the Hebrews did and the pagans too in their own way. I was re-reading passages from the books of Maria Valtorta, and when Jesus is in the Temple discussing with them at the age of 12, they were discussing the Signs of the Times, because the Scribes knew for 10 years that the 70 weeks of Daniel had passed and that they were speculating that the Messiah could already be born. That can't be wrong and I would love to engage in such a discussion with my parish priest! In a passage of the M.V. books, it is a young Virgin Mary before the Annunciation who understands that the Messiah will come early as a result of the prayers of the just, but she gets this knowledge from the Holy Spirit during prayer & meditation, not by analyzing the movements of the stars. She understands that the prophecy doesn't lie, but that the weeks are based on the cycles of the moon, not the sun and so the time is shortened. We're close to great events and it's a tragedy that so few believers look to the skies, or the wars and rumours of wars, pestilence, disease, etc. This subject is fascinating because of the understanding it brings to the Bible, but I think that if there is a very large body in our galaxy, it will throw off certain celestial movements, making it impossible to figure out any dates. And I've had a hunch that the Church could change certain dates of celebrations, making even the calendar impossible to know ahead of time. But through prayer, I don't doubt that certain people may understand when things will happen.
Remember, Charlie did not say there would not be an election, there could very well be an election, but the person who wins never takes the office of President. That very well could happen, these are extremely violent times and with what is going on with Russia right now, who knows... I think January 20th is CJ's LttW moment. We will know if he was correct or if he was just a faithful servant who was misreading what he thought he was supposed to be doing.
Charlie said originally that there wouldn't be an election. Then later he changed that to say that there could be an election but then something would occur between election day and inauguration day that would prevent person from taking office. He also said that he was told that Obama would win 2008 election but wouldn't finish his term. What I was told in the Spring of 2008 was that Barack Obama would win that year’s election, that he would not finish his full term, and that the next stable national leader would not come from the political system. That sorta sounds like Trump would be the stable leader (since he doesn't come from the political system) but then that doesn't agree with Charlie saying that this time around there wouldn't be a stable leader taking office for the reasons he offers as well. I understand why people would figure that meant there would be no election this year. It is the most obvious scenario, but it is not the only scenario in which it would fit. There could be an election in which things explode after the election, but before an inauguration. In another scenario, President Obama could assume emergency powers and extend his term indefinitely, in which case it would end abruptly with the coup that would inevitably follow. There are a few other exotic scenarios, but it is not important to list them. The key is that many folks have zeroed into the most likely scenario as being the only possible scenario. Specific messages are not given so that you know the mind of God, but to alert you to watch and wait – that when you see events that match with the message given – whether in the way you expect or in an unexpected way – to see the spiritual reality behind those temporal events. It is a mile marker on God’s unfolding plan, not a roadmap. And then he offers another "if" speculation with only continuing questions, nothing written in prophecy as something definitely to expect: If it happens, the election itself could become a triggering event. A few weeks back, President Obama mused that he could have accepted a victory by a John McCain or a Mitt Romney, but he just could not accept a victory by Donald Trump. What does that mean? Is it just random musing or laying groundwork? If Trump won, particularly if he won handily, it would expose that, despite the collaboration of media and academia, the anti-God left had lost control of the country. So that offers a lot of various "fudge able" scenarios indeed and some, since Obama not only finished that 2008 term but was re-elected, that appear contradicted even before this election. The above I think could be offered by many who comment here and who are following the very unusual happenings occurring each day. Now then, that "despite the collaboration of media and academia, the anti-God left had lost control of the country" seems to fit more the actual clearly stated "prophecy" of the retired fireman's 2011 prophecy who was certain Trump would be President in the future, and who, due to being "anointed" by God, not just "called",would bounce back from every diabolical attack from every angle coming against him, not only from the usual suspects but from the whole world! For myself personally Charlie's "prophecy" at least in this question is not specific enough to win the title of "prophecy", just perhaps political savvy from prior experience which could have several outcomes.....many of which many others have postulated just using their reason and calculations from current events. So Mr. Yague gives possibilities gauged from his objective astronomical calculations and Charlie gives possibilities that, although expressed as coming to him prophetically, have even more room for divergence while each day seems to alter any fixed calculations. Another "wait and see" time I suppose. To each his own. No need to justify anyone's particular differing beliefs since they are what they are for each person!
Hello Dean, I can only speak for myself, but I am interested in Yague's insights because, in a sense, Mr. Yague, is just like we are here, as we discuss the possible dates of when an event like the Miracle at Garabandal is likely to happen. He is a scholar not a visionary. I don't place Mr. Yague on the same level as those who have or are receiving messages from our Holy Mother, or our Lord, or the most Holy Spirit, or Our Holy Father. I think as a scientist he is just trying to make sense of all the signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars. He is the first to tell you that his observations are hypothetical, which he has theorized based on sacred scripture, works of saints and scholars, Marian apparitions both approved and under Vatican review, and he views these through the lens of what he calls sacred astronomy. Very interesting man.
Booklady, Thank you for taking the time to post those dates. Originally, I wanted to say that since he was wrong on the Gog-Magog war then we will probably be wrong on everything but you are correct, he is not a prophet. I have come to believe that he will be correct on some of his predictions but IDK which ones?.
Carol, for the sake of Floridians, and millions of others in low-lying areas, I pray he is wrong about the giant tsunami.