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Schism prior to the Warning?

Discussion in 'GARABANDAL LIBRARY' started by non sum dignus, Oct 14, 2017.

  1. non sum dignus

    non sum dignus New Member

    The Apparitions of the Virgin Mary in San Sebastián de Garabandal 013 Dr. Ricardo Puncernau, neuropsychiatrist

    http://www.stjosephpublications.com...f Dr Ricardo Puncernau, Neuropsychiatrist.pdf

    Me quedé pues, sólo con Serafín y comimos en la cabaña de las vacas. Después de comer intenté tirarle de la lengua, pues se decía que sabía por Conchita cuando sería el Aviso. Saqué la conclusión de que si lo sabía, no lo quería decir.
    I stayed alone with Serafín and we ate in the stable with the cows. After we ate, I tried to get him to talk, because it was a believed that he knew from Conchita when ‘the Warning’ would happen. I came to the conclusion that he did know, but did not want to say.

    Lo único que saqué en claro fue, que iría precedido de un especial acontecimiento en la Iglesia, que después de muchas preguntas y deducciones me pareció sacar en claro, por lo que él me dijo un tanto oscuramente, que sería algo parecido a un Cisma. O yo lo entendí así.
    The only thing I understood clearly was that the Warning would be preceded by a special event in the Church. After many questions and deductions, it seemed clear where it had been uncertain before, that it would be some kind of Schism; at least this is how I understood it.


    And she talked to him about the Miracle, and explained in what it was going to consist. Later Conchita wrote it down briefly on the back of a holy card of the Child Jesus, which Serafin keeps concealed and which none of the family has seen. And she told him that it would occur when a definite event in the Church took place, and she also explained it to him. Only in this way does Serafin know the date of the miracle.

    Later Serafin and I discussed the following excerpt from a leaflet written by Dr. Puncernau: «During one of my trips to the pastures, I was alone with Serafin and we were eating in the barn. After eating, I tried to draw him out since it was said that he knew from Conchita when the Warning would be.

    I drew the conclusion that if he knew, he didn't want to say. The only thing that I got definitely from him was that it would be preceded by a special happening in the Church. After many questions and answers, it seemed clear to me from his vague remarks that it would be something like a schism. That is the way I understood it.»

    And what do you say about Dr. Puncernau's opinion? I asked Serafin.
    — He is free to think what he wants. But I don't think I gave him reasons for such an opinion.

    But will this happening actually be a schism in the Church?
    — I have nothing to say.

    During that May of 1976, I spoke also with Jacinta's mother, Maria. She told me that she had heard repeatedly from her daughter that affairs were going to go very bad for the Church, that the Eucharist would constantly be given less importance, that many priests would become worse and worse, and that wickedness would spread everywhere.

    It can be noticed that Dr. Puncernau does not speak of the Miracle, but of the Warning. Is this a mistake? Perhaps not.
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  2. sparrow

    sparrow Archangels

    One of the items that was mentioned in the prayer intentions at our Fatima Mass this evening was the growing confrontation with the Magisterium of the Church...
    The schism will be an open wound soon in the Church if it is not already. I also couldn't help but wonder during Mass, if there was a large enough amount of prayer for peace today to offset the nuclear games going on right now - a reprieve, if only in time. And only time will tell. :unsure:
  3. non sum dignus

    non sum dignus New Member

    The division in the Church brings me to tears...And I am not usually a man of tears.

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  4. I only support officially church approved apparitions of Our Lady.

    The impending schism has been caused by Fr. Jorge Bergolio SJ aka " Pope Francis" following the heretical writings of Cardinal Walter Kasper.

    This is what happens when evil theology is supported by those who should and ought to know better.

    The real rot sets in when dissident theologians are not only given free rein but actual open support by the highest church authority.
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  5. Mea Kulpa

    Mea Kulpa Angels

    The schism already exists and it is a vast schism it is an almost total schism because there are "very few Christians who obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity" as saint francis of asisi warned. Most do not even recognise him as being pope any more. So the schism has over taken the largest part of the church
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  6. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    To better put the title of this thread into context, the apostasy comes before the schism and the warning. It is the apostasy from the truths of God that the Church has always understood as unchanging that brings God's chastisements to mankind. The schism is an effect of the apostasy.
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  7. Mea Kulpa

    Mea Kulpa Angels

    In june 1976 archbishop lefebvre said

    "Rome has lost the Faith, my dear friends. Rome is in apostasy"

    It would seem the apostacy has not only begun but has been raging for quite sometime and has it seems reached a critical point
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  8. padraig

    padraig New Member

    It is snowing at the moment here and the pavements are full of ice. I have nearly fallen several times and I know at my age living on my own I have to be very careful for a fall coudl be quite serious especially if I am on my own up in the mountains in the snow in the dark, for if I fell and could not get up if would be maybe days before I was missed.

    Still I love the snow and the ice. It reminds me of the Canticle of the three youths we read in Daniel, a song of joy we sing in the Liturgy, 'Snow and ice , bless the Lord'.

    Daniel 3:70
    70 Ice and snow, bless the Lord: praise and exalt him above all forever.

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  9. padraig

    padraig New Member

    When I was up the mountain yesterday it was so beautiful and white, I could not stop praying and singing hymns, especially as we draw near to the birth of Our Lord whose coming is upon us. David did the same when he was a poor shepherd boys n the mountains and composed the pslams there. As I suspect St Patrick did when he too was a poor slave shepherd boy himself, surrounded by the snow and the ice.

  10. padraig

    padraig New Member

    But I could regard the snow and the ice in a very different ,darker, negative light. I could regard all the people who break their limbs or even loose their lives, the automobile accidents, the inconvenience the sheer cold of it all. The cold and ice could become my prison. I could even begin to feel sorry for myself and fear for possible futures in the fullness of the winter.

    But I remember the wonderful words:

    I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.
    D. H. Lawrence


  11. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Well Archbishop Lefebvre is not a resource I would use, but it is clear to me the apostasy is in full bloom today.
  12. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    "Good King Wenceslas went out, On the Feast of Stephen, When the snow lay roundabout, deep and crisp and even."

    It is currently snowing here in Maryland, too, Padraig...part of a long swath to affect many states, some of which do not have snow as usual. It has snowed in Brownsville, Texas, where it has only snowed three times in recorded history.

    I like the snow, as well. Just keep your sense of caution and you'll be fine, esp. with all the angels around you. I have noticed lately that I have been saved from all kinds of stumbles and I know it is my angel.
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  13. padraig

    padraig New Member

    But I think we face a similiar danger with the Church. We can so focus in on the cold and the dark and the ice and the real dangers and uncertain future that we too imprison ourselves. yes some things to come may indeed be terrible but let us face into the future with hope knowing that after the night comes morning and after the winter spring. That Christs is the victory.

    Let us not be made the prisoners of our fears.

    Christ was born in the very depths of Winter but rose again in Spring


  14. padraig

    padraig New Member

    We have an old saying,

    'If it is meant for you it will not go bye you!'

    So true.:) I could choke on a spoonful of soup as quickly as on a cow's tail:D

    Hope must always be the sum of all our fears.

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  15. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I totally agree and Mark Mallett's latest blog speaks to this https://www.markmallett.com/blog/2017/12/07/the-testing-part-ii/
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  16. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Yes Mark is quite right.

    I was praying about this book and as I did so the thought came to me,

    'What if you were writing this book; what would your conscience be saying to you, telling you to do?'

    Well the answer was at once very obvious to me. My conscience would be telling me right from the beginning to stop at once. I would be very,very uncomfortable indeed with from the very first line.

    Would Our Lady write a book like this? Does this show the mind and Heart of the Blessed Virgin?

    No; of course not. It's a hatchet job. God does not do hatchet jobs.

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  17. CrewDog

    CrewDog Archangels

    JMJ2.jpg I'll say again what I've been saying since I infested MOG: Besides Prayer, which is powerful, we have zero control over what goes on at the Vatican or Diocese..... and, sadly as we have seen in the USA/EU these last few years, little control over our National "Leaders" or Media as the Will & Welfare of the People are thwarted daily ......... sooooo ... concentrate on what positive inputs you can make in your own home, Church, community and business. Leave the rest to The Lord as dwelling on what you can't do is a distraction and counterproductive.!!

  18. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I have often been tempted Denis to switch off all discussion on all of this on the forum myself. To turn back ot what I hoped was the final reason the forum was formed which is purely spiritual But I prayed about it and decided not to beut to alow fre discussion.


    Well in my own experience of life is that ignoring the wolves we encounter along life's journey does not cause them to go away, on the contrary the wolves sensing we are trying to pretend they are just not there will be only encouraged to draw much closer. You as an American Vet, an old soldier will l know this better than anyone. You know that often the only way to fight the wolves surrounding America has been to go out and confront, to face the wolves and of course many Americans have died fighting such wolves. It is always better to fight the wolves in the fields than to wait for them to come through the door and into our homes. So Americans have gone abroad and died in foreign fields knowing if they did not die abroad they would, eventually die in their own fields.

    Nor was the battle just for the soldiers but for each and every American, soldier or not it was the duty and the honour of ALL Americans.

    So too with the Church. The wolfs are currently hunting on several fronts. We can close our doors and let them get on with it. But, manke no mistake about it , one day soon they will come through OUR doors looking to feed right on us. They will come through the doors of our own Parish Church's (if they are not in fact already there. Their final aim, I believe being the elimination of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

    So, no, I believe we all have a duty to defend and fight in this battle to defeat these wolves.

    God has no hands but ours.


  19. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    As much as I dislike having to speak out about the hierarchy of the Church in this way I think at this time it is necessary. Many of them are dragging souls to Hell. The devil would like nothing better than for you to stop all discussion of what is happening in the Church. You would be doing his work in helping to blind the faithful to what is happening. This is one of the few places on the net that has a very accurate picture of what is going on without going overboard. Yes sometimes people go too far and I cringe at what they say, but I am at least glad the warnings are getting out. At this point sticking our fingers in our ears and saying "La, la, la, la, la..." Just won't cut it.

    Indeed we should be singing the dangers from the rooftops.

    A recent quote from Bishop Athanasius Schneider on the culpability of those who remain silent in the current crisis:

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  20. CrewDog

    CrewDog Archangels

    Hey Padraig,

    I think you may have misinterpreted my meaning. I have no intention of hiding in my home or not keeping abreast of what's going on Out-There in the Church or World .... and Sounding the Alarm about this or that like I always do as Watchman on the Wall :)... but ... my days of carrying on the Fight "Over-There" are long past. I won't be fighting in the streets of Rome. I'm thinking-n-planning for a 20 mile radius of home. I suppose I could end up fighting in the streets of Little Rock or some other USA place where I found myself traveling when "The Balloon Goes Up" ..... and rest assured I take these possibilities into account "These-Days". My Oath of Office did not become void when I retired ... I'm an Officer in the AF Retired Reserve until my dying day and I will aid-n-defend The Nation & Faithful wherever I find myself. Keep your Situational Awareness level up but concentrate on the Home Drome is all I'm saying.


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