Discussion in 'Coffee House' started by Dean, Apr 10, 2017.
We already know what will happen. Our Lord and Our Lady have already told us.
''In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, which will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”
None of this has happened.
Himself confided to her that He would not convert Russia unless the consecration were done, “Because I want My whole Church to recognize that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that it may extend its cult later on, and put the devotion to this Immaculate Heart beside the devotion to My Sacred Heart.” Sister Lucy has explained that because Russia is a well-defined territory, the conversion of Russia after its consecration to the Immaculate Heart would be undeniable proof that the conversion resulted from the consecration and nothing else. The establishment in the world of devotion to the Immaculate Heart would thus be confirmed by God Himself in the most dramatic manner.
This certainly hasn't happened either.
Is that it?
The era of peace has come and gone?
And I didn't notice it!
I was so looking forward to it!
The following was all taken from the thread....."pope Francis to meet patriarch-kirill.
Joe Crosier [who is a guest now whatever that means] says..........
While the evidence suggests to me that, despite protests from Church authorities, the Consecration of Russia as requested has not been done, we still have the assurance that it will be done albeit late. Some think this late consecration has been done. I am not so sure. With today's technology it would be simple to email or even fax every bishop and simply ask them to agree to a consecration of Russia in union with the Pope to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Perhaps this agreement will be confirmed in Russia and the Consecration will be done during the Pope's visit to Moscow together with the Orthodox Bishops and this will give the desired (by heaven) public recognition that the Triumph really will belong to Mary. Perhaps this Consecration will facilitate the Aviso which is a major stage in Her Triumph. These are just some of my thoughts and am sure they are not original. They may even be rubbish but just remember Our Lady of Lourdes made her appearances at a rubbish dump.....the worst kind.. ...for hospital waste. Hopefully She will not stray too far from my rubbish dump of a head. She may even help me clean up the mess.
If what you say is correct.......then how long will this period of peace last and what will it look like? Will for example Isis be a problem? or will China and North Korea be a problem? Will abortion cease? Will pornography still be a problem? Are all peoples and countries going to welcome this triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary?
If so then we won't need the Chastisment. And that would be wonderful!
However I believe the 1984 consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary was accomplished by St JP11 and the college of Bishops around the world just as sister Lucia had testified and I also believe we have had that period of peace and now we await the warning and Miracle and chasitisment. The world is going to be at its worst just as the Garabandals seers have predicted. And the world at its worst does not sound like the period of peace promised by Our Lady at Fatima.
I also believe that the reign of the Immaculate Heart of Mary which will reign beside Our Lords Sacred Heart will come after the Chastisment and then there will be not 'just be a period of peace' but true and lasting peace!
These are my thoughts from my very own garbage dump.
You don't own all garbage dumps Joe!
In a following post;
Our Lady at Fatima stated.......
"If my requests are granted, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecution of the Church. The good will be martyed, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be destroyed...But in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, Russia will be converted, and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world".
When Our Lady mentions the peace she promised after the consecration of Russia
she clearly states that it is a 'period of peace' and not the reign of Her Immaculate heart;
to me this means it is only an interim or temporary period of peace, not the lasting true peace that will come when Her Immaculate Heart Triumphs and at that time satan will be chained in hell, I believe, according to revelations.
Whenever I have stated on the MoG forum that I believe the 1984 consecration of Russia was late but was accomplished according to Sister Lucia, I am bombarded with....."there’s been so much evil in the world how can you believe the world has had a 30 year period of peace, etc", but did Our Lady say that satan would not be active..... No.... she just promised a period of peace to the world after the accepted consecration.
In your post above you suggest that the consecration of Russia may be accomplished soon. If we look at the prophesies of Our Lady at Akita and at Garabandal the Warning, Miracle and Chastisement of the entire world will mean that a period of peace will be hard to squeeze in!
especially as evil will still be very active, I think, and according to many Catholics on the MoG forum the promised period of peace means that evil will not be active in the world at all!
To me this is a misnomer because if that were true the triumph of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart would have been consummated at the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart, but she did not say nor indicate that the Consecration of Russia would consumate the reign Of Her Immaculate heart! It is but a stepping stone, to the reign of Her Immaculate heart in my opinion!
Dang, I must have blinked too. These poor people who believe this had no expectation of Mary's Triumph to be recognized by every human being alive. Is this really what people who know Fatima messages expected? For the Triumph of Mary's Immaculate Heart and the era of peace to have been fulfilled without the world realizing what God intended to do through his mother? Nope, it hasn't taken place, but when it does God's mother will be known world wide as the cause of the era of peace through her Triumph over evil.
Josephite, I believe you have managed to capture the crucial elements of this topic in your post.
The promise was for a period of peace after the Consecration was made. Sister Lucia explains in the short section in the video I posted how people have misunderstood what the 'period of peace' meant. The overnight collapse of Soviet Communism was indeed the miracle achieved through the 1984 Consecration.
Secondly, I think you are spot on pointing out that the triumph of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart has to be recognized as quite separate to the 'period of peace'.
My own view of the future is that the Warning will bring back many to faith but that the return will not be sufficient to prevent a major chastisement. But after the chastisement will come the triumph of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart.
Robert Moynihan's latest newsletter provides further support to the view expressed in the earlier post on this thread (at http://motheofgod.com/threads/russia.10523/#post-171251 ) that Russia is indeed converting to a real Christianity. Here is what Mr Moynihan (who has frequent contact with Russia) reports:
Nicholas in Russia
An extraordinary religious event occurred in Moscow yesterday.
The relics of St. Nicholas (photo above), the Christian saint more revered than any other by the Russian Orthodox people, arrived in Moscow from Bari, Italy, where they have been kept for more than 1,000 years.
They were carried to Russia by a delegation led by Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev, the "Foreign Minister" of the Russian Orthodox Church.
The relics will remain in Russia for more than two months, in Moscow and, after July 12, in St. Petersburg.
It is expected that, during the next 10 weeks, several million ordinary Russians will stand in lines for hours to venerate the saint's relics.
What does this tell us about Russia?
Many in the West (and many even in Russia), have expressed grave doubts about an alleged "spiritual revival" in Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 -- 26 years ago.
They say the revival is in some way fraudulent, a fake, sponsored by a cynical, un-believing state power (the post-Soviet government now led by former KGB-chief Vladimir Putin). The Russian state is alleged to believe that it can use the appearance of a revival of religious faith for its own sinister purposes.
Are the doubters correct?
Is the religious renewal of Russia, the construction of an average of three churches a day for the past 26 years, somehow a fraud, a fake?
I have argued for 18 years, since 1999, that the revival, the renewal, of religious faith in Russia is profoundly authentic.
At the same time I perceive the force of the counter-arguments, and the heavy weight of the counter-evidence, ranging from the widespread recourse to abortion to the embrace by many younger Russians of Western secular, "post-Christian" values.
Into the midst of this debate come the relics of St. Nicholas.
And the reaction of the Russian people to the relics is, to me, an additional piece of evidence in a large mosaic suggesting that the return to religious faith in Russia is real, though occurring under the profound weight of both the Soviet (1917-1991) and post-Soviet (1991-present) time.
A Gentle Breeze
I sat in an unstable motorboat sailing across the wide Volga River near Kazan in 2001 to visit an island where hundreds of Christians had been executed. All that remained was a field of grass.
I saw the return to Russia of the holy icon of Kazan, in August 2004, after it had been kept for 11 years in the private chambers of Pope John Paul II, who wished to carry it back to Russia himself, but was unable to.
I saw the building of a cathedral in Kazan which stands where there was once a tobacco factory.
I saw the return to Russia of the mortal remains of St. Elizabeth Federovna (whose sister was the Empress Alexandra, the wife of the last Tsar), from the Garden of Gethsemane, also in 2004. She was executed by the Bolsheviks in 1918, on the day after her sister, her husband and five children were also executed.
I saw a Russian choir come to Rome in 2007 to sing of the passion of Jesus Christ on a stage where the entire back wall was an enormous icon of Christ.
I saw the same choir come to America in 2007 in December to sing of the birth of Jesus Christ at Christmastime. They sang in the Catholic National Shrine in Washington, in a church in New York, and in Memorial Chapel at Harvard in Cambridge -- in the same Harvard Yard where Alexander Solzhenitsyn gave the Commencement Address in 1978.
I saw the Italian laywoman, Immacolata Solaro del Borgo, carry relics of saints to Kazan in 2009, despite old age and many physical ailments, surrounded by hundreds of ordinary Russians, some of whom wept as they saw her pass by carrying her gifts.
I have watched as dozens and hundreds of young scholars have begun to study in the new theological academies of the Russian Orthodox Church.
And I have listened as many Russian believers have expressed their concern that the West has abandoned the faith we once held as our most precious treasure.
The silent dignity of the Russian people as they venerate the relics of St. Nicholas moves me deeply.
Reading through the latest posts here I just had some random thoughts.
If the 1984 consecration was accepted, perhaps we were given a period of peace in relation to how well we responded to the call of Heaven. Meaning, we didn't respond very well at all, so perhaps our period of peace was not as stunning as it might have been if the consecration was done in, say 1929 when it was asked for. If we are dating the "timeclock" from Pope Leo XIII's vision in the 1880's, then 1984 is pretty last minute. And perhaps not even naming Russia, etc. added to the lack of a stunning period of peace. Heaven may have been generous in giving us as much as we got.
Also, is there anything that says that the period of peace and the conversion of Russia to Catholicism have to be absolutely in lockstep with each other time-wise?
I think most of us probably agree that the fall of the U.S.S.R. in 1991 along with the explosion of the Soviet naval base in the mid-80's were pretty amazing occurrences we could definitely link to the consecration of 1984. Christmas day 1991 was the last day the hammer and sickle flew over the Kremlin. Anyone who lived through that period remembers how surreal it was.
I don't have any answers, just food for thought...
Compare the respect shown here for the relics of St. Nicholas by Russians who value their Orthodox heritage:
with these darlings of the Western media:
The lyrics of their anti-Putin "song" are listed beneath the video on Youtube. Does anyone remember CNN (the Democratic Party's mouthpiece) heaping praise on those women for their hatred of Putin during the Western-backed demonstrations against his election?
If Stalin had known what the Moscow of the 21st century would be like... I almost cried of joy watching this.
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