As I have posted before, back in the 1950's, I was not Catholic yet, and I remember a Protestant minister praying at a Sunday service for God to forgive us for our manifold sins and wickedness. When was the last time we heard a pastor pray that way? When was the last time you saw large congregations of folks attend services every Sunday? I see large congregations of folks buying coffee and donuts on Sunday and that is about it. Another pastor used to pray the Bible quote from somewhere in the New Testament: "If any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father Who is Jesus Christ the Righteous" We knew to whom we were praying, and we knew why we needed to pray to Him, on Sunday, His Holy Day. I posted this again because I keep hearing it in my brain, it has become ingrained, in a good sense. Padraig, America used to be more Godly.