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Prophets of Old and New Testament and the periods preceding the End of the world

Discussion in 'Scriptural Thoughts' started by LittleVoice, Nov 28, 2016.

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The period in which we are living now

  1. The period before the Tribulation

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  2. The Tribulation

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  3. The Era of the peace

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  4. The last apostasy and the final Chastisement

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  1. josephite

    josephite Powers

    continued message of the Blessed Virgin Mary to Melanie at La Salette.........

    “In the year 1864, Lucifer together with a large number of demons will be unloosed from hell; they will put an end to faith little by little, even in those dedicated to God. They will blind them in such a way, that, unless they are blessed with a special grace, these people will take on the spirit of these angels of hell; several religious institutions will lose all faith and will lose many souls.

    “Evil books will be abundant on earth and the sprits of darkness will spread everywhere a universal slackening of all that concerns the service of God. They will have great power over Nature: there will be churches built to serve these spirits. People will be transported from one place to another by these evil spirits, even priests, for they will not have been guided by the good spirit of the Gospel which is a spirit of humility, charity and zeal for the glory of God. On occasions, the dead and the righteous will be brought back to life. (That is to say that these dead will take on the form of righteous souls which had lived on earth, in order to lead men further astray; these so-called resurrected dead, who will be nothing but the devil in this form, will preach another Gospel contrary to that of the true Christ Jesus, denying the existence of Heaven; that is also to say, the souls of the damned. All these souls will appear as if fixed to their bodies).2

    “Everywhere there will be extraordinary wonders, as true faith has faded and false light brightens the people. Woe to the Princes of the Church who think only of piling riches upon riches to protect their authority and dominate with pride.

    “The Vicar of my Son will suffer a great deal, because for a while the Church will yield to large persecution, a time of darkness and the Church will witness a frightful crisis.

    “The true faith to the Lord having been forgotten, each individual will want to be on his own and be superior to people of same identity, they will abolish civil rights as well as ecclesiastical, all order and all justice would be trampled underfoot and only homicides, hate, jealousy, lies and dissension would be seen without love for country or family.

    “The Holy Father will suffer a great deal. I will be with him until the end and receive his sacrifice.

    “The mischievous would attempt his life several times to do harm and shorten his days but neither him nor his successor will see the triumph of the Church of God.

    “All the civil governments will have one and the same plan, which will be to abolish and do away with every religious principal to make way for materialism, atheism, spiritualism and vice of all kinds.
     
  2. josephite

    josephite Powers

    continued message of the Blessed Virgin Mary to Melanie at La Salette.........

    “In the year 1865, there will be desecration of holy places. In convents, the flowers of the Church will decompose and the devil will make himself like the King of all hearts. May those in charge of religious communities be on their guard against the people they must receive, for the devil will resort to all his evil tricks to introduce sinners into religious orders, for disorder and the love of carnal pleasures will be spread all over the earth.

    “France, Italy, Spain, and England will be at war. Blood will flow in the streets. Frenchman will fight Frenchman, Italian will fight Italian. A general war will follow which will be appalling. For a time, God will cease to remember France and Italy because the Gospel of Jesus Christ has been forgotten. The wicked will make use of all their evil ways. Men will kill each other; massacre each other even in their homes.

    “At the first blow of His thundering sword, the mountains and all Nature will tremble in terror, for the disorders and crimes of men have pierced the vault of the heavens. Paris will burn and Marseilles will be engulfed. Several cities will be shaken down and swallowed up by earthquakes. People will believe that all is lost. Nothing will be seen but murder, nothing will be heard but the clash of arms and blasphemy.

    “The righteous will suffer greatly. Their prayers, their penances and their tears will rise up to Heaven and all of God’s people will beg for forgiveness and mercy and will plead for my help and intercession. And then Jesus Christ, in an act of His justice and His great mercy will command His Angels to have all His enemies put to death. Suddenly, the persecutors of the Church of Jesus Christ and all those given over to sin will perish and the earth will become desert-like. And then peace will be made, and man will be reconciled with God. Jesus Christ will be served, worshipped and glorified. Charity will flourish everywhere. The new kings will be the right arm of the holy Church, which will be strong, humble, and pious in Its poor but fervent imitation of the virtues of Jesus Christ. The Gospel will be preached everywhere and mankind will make great progress in its faith, for there will be unity among the workers of Jesus Christ and man will live in fear of God.

    “This peace among men will be short-lived. Twenty-five years of plentiful harvests will make them forget that the sins of men are the cause of all the troubles on this earth.
     
  3. josephite

    josephite Powers

    The message of the Blessed Virgin Mary to Melanie at La Salette concludes with the following.........

    “A forerunner of the Antichrist, with his troops gathered from several nations, will fight against the true Christ, the only Saviour of the world. He will shed much blood and will want to annihilate the worship of God to make himself be looked upon as a God.

    “The earth will be struck by calamities of all kinds (in addition to plague and famine which will be wide-spread). There will be a series of wars until the last war, which will then be fought by the ten Kings of the Antichrist, all of whom will have one and the same plan and will be the only rulers of the world. Before this comes to pass, there will be a kind of false peace in the world. People will think of nothing but amusement. The wicked will give themselves over to all kinds of sin. But the children of the holy Church, the children of my faith, my true followers, they will grow in their love for God and in all the virtues most precious to me. Blessed are the souls humbly guided by the Holy Spirit! I shall fight at their side until they reach a fullness of years.

    “Nature is asking for vengeance because of man, and she trembles with dread at what must happen to the earth stained with crime. Tremble, earth, and you who proclaim yourselves as serving Jesus Christ and who, on the inside, only adore yourselves, tremble, for God will hand you over to His enemy, because the holy places are in a state of corruption. Many convents are no longer houses of God, but the grazing-grounds of Asmodeas and his like. It will be during this time that the Antichrist will be born of a Hebrew nun, a false virgin who will communicate with the old serpent, the master of impurity, his father will be B. At birth, he will spew out blasphemy; he will have teeth, in a word; he will be the devil incarnate. He will scream horribly, he will perform wonders; he will feed on nothing but impurity. He will have brothers who, although not devils incarnate like him, will be children of evil. At the age of twelve, they will draw attention upon themselves by the gallant victories they will have won; soon they will each lead armies, aided by the legions of hell.

    “The seasons will be altered, the earth will produce nothing but bad fruit, the stars will lose their regular motion, and the moon will only reflect a faint reddish glow. Water and fire will give the earth's globe convulsions and terrible earthquakes which will swallow up mountains, cities, etc...

    “Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.

    “The demons of the air together with the Antichrist will perform great wonders on earth and in the atmosphere, and men will become more and more perverted. God will take care of His faithful servants and men of good will. The Gospel will be preached everywhere, and all peoples of all nations will get to know the truth.

    “I make an urgent appeal to the earth. I call on the true disciples of the living God who reigns in Heaven; I call on the true followers of Christ made man, the only true Saviour of men; I call on my children, the true faithful, those who have given themselves to me so that I may lead them to my divine Son, those whom I carry in my arms, so to speak, those who have lived on my spirit. Finally, I call on the Apostles of the Last Days, the faithful disciples of Jesus Christ who have lived in scorn for the world and for themselves, in poverty and in humility, in scorn and in silence, in prayer and in mortification, in chastity and in union with God, in suffering and unknown to the world. It is time they came out and filled the world with light. Go and reveal yourselves to be my cherished children. I am at your side and within you, provided that your faith is the light which shines upon you in these unhappy days. May your zeal make you famished for the glory and the honour of Jesus Christ. Fight, children of light, you, the few who can see. For now is the time of all times, the end of all ends.

    “The Church will be in eclipse, the world will be in dismay. But now Enoch and Eli will come, filled with the Spirit of God. They will preach with the might of God, and men of good will will believe in God, and many souls will be comforted. They will make great steps forward through the virtue of the Holy Spirit and will condemn the devilish lapses of the Antichrist. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth! There will be bloody wars and famines, plagues and infectious diseases. It will rain with a fearful hail of animals. There will be thunderstorms which will shake cities, earthquakes which will swallow up countries. Voices will be heard in the air. Men will beat their heads against walls, call for their death, and on another side death will be their torment. Blood will flow on all sides. Who will be the victor if God does not shorten the length of the test? All the blood, the tears and prayers of the righteous, God will relent. Enoch and Eli will be put to death. Pagan Rome will disappear. The fire of Heaven will fall and consume three cities. All the universe will be struck with terror and many will let themselves be lead astray because they have not worshipped the true Christ who lives among them. It is time; the sun is darkening; only faith will survive.

    “Now is the time; the abyss is opening. Here is the King of Kings of darkness; here is the Beast with his subjects, calling himself the Saviour of the world. He will rise proudly into the air to go to Heaven. He will be smothered by the breath of the Archangel Saint Michael. He will fall, and the earth, which will have been in a continuous series of evolutions for three days, will open up its fiery bowels; and he will have plunged for all eternity with all his followers into the everlasting chasms of hell. And then water and fire will purge the earth and consume all the works of men's pride and all will be renewed. God will be served and glorified.”
     
  4. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    This prophecy is not authentic: (http://www.arcaneknowledge.org/catholic/lasalette.htm)

    Unfortunately, Melanie was not content to let her prophetic legacy remain in the Vatican archives. Although her personal conduct was generally exemplary, she later found it difficult to comply with cloistered life, and was heavily influenced by lurid apocalyptic writings, as well as less than scrupulous advisors who wished to coax the secret out of her.

    Finally, in 1879, she released a greatly expanded version of the secret, including new interpretations of the true secret as well as completely new revelations unmentioned in the 1851 version. All these new embellishments were indiscriminately ascribed to Our Lady of La Salette, resulting in an apocalyptic tract many times longer than the authentic secret submitted to the Pope in 1851. This tract contained prophecies that were either in tension with the Catholic faith, as in its assertion that Rome would apostatize, or, more commonly, proven to be historically false in the course of time.

    This false apocalypse circulated under the title of Apparition of the Blessed Virgin on the Mountain of La Salette, bearing the imprimatur of Bishop Zola of Lecce.
     
  5. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

  6. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    MAXIM: On September 19, 1846, we saw a beautiful Lady. We never said that this lady was the Blessed Virgin but we always said that it was a beautiful Lady. I do not know if it is the Blessed Virgin or another person. As for me, I believe today that it is the Blessed Virgin. Here is what this Lady said to me:

    “If my people continue, what I will say to you will arrive earlier, if it changes a little, it will be a little later.
    France has corrupted the universe, one day it will be punished. The faith will die out in France: three quarters of France will not practice religion anymore, or almost no more, the other part will practice it without really practicing it. Then, after [that], nations will convert, the faith will be rekindled everywhere.
    A great country in the north of Europe, now Protestant, will be converted; by the support of this country all the other nations of the world will be converted.
    Before all that arrives, great disorders will arrive, in the Church, and everywhere. Then, after [that], our Holy Father the Pope will be persecuted. His successor will be a pontiff that nobody expects.
    Then, after [that], a great peace will come, but it will not last a long time. A monster will come to disturb it.
    All that I tell you here will arrive in the other century, at the latest in the year two thousand.”

    Maximin Giraud
    (She told me to say it some time before.)
    My Most Holy Father, your holy blessing to one of your sheep.
    Grenoble, July 3, 1851.

    MELANIE:
    J.M.J.
    secret which the Blessed Virgin gave me on the Mountain of La Salette on September 19, 1846
    Secr[e]t.

    Mélanie, I will say something to you which you will not say to anybody:
    The time of God’s wrath has arrived!
    If, when you say to the people what I have said to you so far, and what I will still ask you to say, if, after that, they do not convert, (if they do not do penance, and they do not cease working on Sunday, and if they continue to blaspheme the Holy Name of God), in a word, if the face of the earth does not change, God will be avenged against the people ungrateful and slave of the demon.
    My Son will make his power manifest! Paris, this city soiled by all kinds of crimes, will perish infallibly. Marseilles will be destroyed in a little time. When these things arrive, the disorder will be complete on the earth, the world will be given up to its impious passions.
    The pope will be persecuted from all sides, they will shoot at him, they will want to put him to death, but no one will be able to do it, the Vicar of God will triumph again this time.
    The priests and the Sisters, and the true servants of my Son will be persecuted, and several will die for the faith of Jesus Christ.
    A famine will reign at the same time.
    After all these will have arrived, many will recognize the hand of God on them, they will convert, and do penance for their sins.
    A great king will go up on the throne, and will reign a few years. Religion will re-flourish and spread all over the world, and there will be a great abundance, the world, glad not to be lacking nothing, will fall again in its disorders, will give up God, and will be prone to its criminal passions.
    [Among] God’s ministers, and the Spouses of Jesus-Christ, there will be some who will go astray, and that will be the most terrible.
    Lastly, hell will reign on earth. It will be then that the Antichrist will be born of an Order, but woe to it! Many will believe in him, because he will claim to have come from heaven, woe to those who will believe in him!
    That time is not far away, twice 50 years will not go by.
    My child, you will not say what I have just said to you. (You will not say it to anybody, you will not say if you must say it one day, you will not say what that it concerns), finally you will say nothing anymore until I tell you to say it!

    I pray to Our Holy Father the Pope to give me his holy blessing.
    Mélanie Mathieu, Shepherdess of La Salette, Grenoble, July 6, 1851.

    J.M.J.+
     
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  7. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    And here is an explanation:

    France has corrupted the universe with freemasonary, one day it will be punished. The faith will die out in France: three quarters of France will not practice religion anymore, or almost no more, the other part will practice it without really practicing it. Then, after the Warning, nations will convert, the faith will be rekindled everywhere.
    A great country in the north of Europe, now Protestant, will be converted; by the support of this country all the other nations of the world will be converted. (I do not now this country - UK, Finnland ... ?)
    Before all that arrives, great disorders will arrive, in the Church, and everywhere. And these disorders have one source - communism or materialistic atheism. Then, after, our Holy Father John Paul II the Pope will be persecuted. His successor Benedict XVI will be a pontiff that nobody expects.
    Then, after the Warning, a great peace will come - Era of peace-, but it will not last a long time. A monster - Antichrist - will come to disturb it.
    All (corruption of the Church) that I tell you here will arrive in the other century, at the latest in the year two thousand.”

    The pope John Paul II will be persecuted from all sides, they will shoot at him, they will want to put him to death, but no one will be able to do it, the Vicar of God will triumph again this time.
    The priests and the Sisters, and the true servants of my Son will be persecuted, and several will die for the faith of Jesus Christ. A famine will reign at the same time. After all these will have arrived, many will recognize the hand of God on them, they will convert, and do penance for their sins.
    A great king Benedict XVI will go up on the throne, and will reign a few years. Religion will re-flourish and spread all over the world, and there will be a great abundance, the world, glad not to be lacking nothing, will fall again in its disorders, will give up God, and will be prone to its criminal passions.
    [Among] God’s ministers, and the Spouses of Jesus-Christ, there will be some who will go astray, and that will be the most terrible.
    Lastly, hell will reign on earth. It will be then that the Antichrist will be born of an Order, but woe to it! Many will believe in him, because he will claim to have come from heaven, woe to those who will believe in him!
    That time is not far away, twice 50 years will not go by, before the Antichrist will be born (He was born before 1946).
    My child, you will not say what I have just said to you. (You will not say it to anybody, you will not say if you must say it one day, you will not say what that it concerns), finally you will say nothing anymore until I tell you to say it!
     
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  8. josephite

    josephite Powers

    Thanks Little Voice that actually makes more sense than the alledged written words of Melanie of 1878.
     
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  9. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    This was not written in mystical language, but in sense of historical understanding of papacy and in older french language. Word "that" substituted an event, but we known its name (the Warning) now.
     
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  10. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    LV, You believe that the AC remains alive through the Era of Peace? I don't interpret Revelation that way, to me it is clear that the FP and the Beast are killed before the Era of Peace and that Satan is chained up during this time. After the Era of Peace Satan gathers those who want to follow him for the final battle against those who want to follow Christ, I am not saying that there won't be another anti-Christ at the time of the final battle it is just not clear from Revelation that there will be and I don't think that it will be the same man as before the Era of Peace. (The confusion probably lies in that fact that in Revelation John does not refer directly to an AC.)

    Josephite, I am glad that LV answered you on LaSalette because I am inexperienced with that apparition. I would have read what you posted and simply interpreted it.
     
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  11. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    NO NO, I thought the same when I did not know Revelation. That the AC will die after the Warning and then the mass will be destroyed by other men.
    But here is sentense from Revelation, which contradicts against this theory:
    The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
    ALIVE!!! He will remain ALIVE although he will suffer like in the fiery lake of Hell.
    And st. Malachy confirms this claim.

    And the Beast is not AC in this case. The Beast is fallen archangel MI-KA-SATANA - the demon of masonary and world power. False prophet is ANTICHRIST.
     
  12. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    I'm afraid, Carol, that what you have written appears to contradict what the Church says about the end times and AC. The man of sin (AC) will be destroyed when Jesus returns and that will be the end of the world. Any period of peace must come before that.
     
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  13. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    I say killed but I mean to say that there are thrown into the lake of fire before the era of peace and there is no mention of them after the era of peace only of Satan and how he will also be thrown there. It is all very difficult to figure out unless we accept other prophecies to help fill in the details but for me I am just becoming more and more confused with the prophecies at the moment, I need a break I guess.
     
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  14. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    The few words are written very well: "other prophecies". All pophecies leading away from the Church tradition about the End of times are FALSE. Eg. millenial kingdom of peace and other heresies
    Dolours quoted New Testament: . The man of sin (AC) will be destroyed when Jesus returns.
    The problem of self-appointed prophets is their literal explanation of mystical Revelation. For they are full of pride and lust, they are totally blind in mystic and introduce in minds of people the heresies. There was not predicted direct the era of peace in Gospels. For this is only very short time to prepare on last AC"s attack after Tribulation.

    Carol, the confusion in you is not like a fire? Imagine, what will feel the persons in Governments (the Beast) and Antichrist (the False Prophet) after the Warning. HELL HELL HELL. FIRE FIRE FIRE. REMOSES REMOSE REMOSES. The lake of remoses, spiritual fire and hell.
     
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  15. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Dolours, I actually backed off from using the term AC in that post because John doesn't speak of an AC, he simply refers to the false prophet and the beast. I think it is very difficult for me to not think of a good part of Revelation chronologically because it refers back to preceding events occasionally. Please read Revelation 12 through 21 and tell me what your opinion is.
    Not certain where the new testament quote is which LV states you quoted? I feel like this a deja vu moment and I keep going around in circles, I apologize, but if you can clear it up for me I would be grateful.
     
  16. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    The mystical woman of ancient church were prophets, who gave spiritual birth to people.
    The Mystical Woman of Catholic Church is Mary, Who gives spiritual birth to Catholics.
    Against them the Dragon with seven false doctrines of sins and ten false laws against Ten Commandments fights during 1260 tri-annual days, what is the time of Church in the World - From Jacob to last Catholic. The Church must live in wildernes of passions, where is only God. Satan was outcast from heaven before the creation of Adam and he fights with man against the God on the earth. When Jesus overcame the death, the salvation came with spiritual Kingdom. After 2000 years of battle Satan is filled with fury, because he know that his time is short. The Mystical Mary will give spiritual birth during the Warning to 1/3 of mankind. But then these redeemed people have to withstand the trial. 3,5 years without Sacrifice and I think that also without the Mary. Then will preach only false prophets according to Gospel. This is a short explanation of Revelation 12.
     
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  17. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Dolours, I realized why I this seems familiar because of our discussion on Millennialism. I am not certain that what you state here is correct about the church's statement on the AC but absolutely there is only one second coming of Jesus Christ at the end of the world.
     
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  18. Leo

    Leo Principalities

    FYI: Father Jose Antonio Fortea (a highly respected exorcist from Spain) has started writing a new novel about the apocalypse. He thinks we are on the way to a planetary purification that is going to be a true apocalypse, though history will follow. He writes that the signs of the times indicate that we are going towards something very big.

    http://blogdelpadrefortea.blogspot.com/
     
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  19. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Leo, Thank you for posting this. I will need to translate it to read it but it sounds like it is worth the read.
     
  20. Booklady

    Booklady Archangels

    Hello Little Voice, I have a couple of questions about the information you posted above:

    1) Where is Pope Francis in this scenario? You mention Saint John Paul II and Benedict XVI, but not Francis.

    2). Where did you get the birthdate of the Antichrist? So according to your reckoning he is now 70 years old. Was the information above written by someone else?

    Thank you,
    booklady
     
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