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Discussion in 'The mystical and Paranormal' started by Fatima, Oct 31, 2017.

  1. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Why Did You Quote Medjugorje?
    Posted on October 31, 2017 by Mark Mallett

    [​IMG]Medjugorje visionary, Mirjana Soldo, Photo courtesy LaPresse

    “WHY did you quote that unapproved private revelation?”

    It’s a question I get asked on occasion. Moreover, rarely do I see an adequate answer to it, even among the Church’s best apologists. The question itself betrays a serious deficit in catechesis among average Catholics when it comes to mysticism and private revelation. Why are we so afraid to even listen?


    There is a strange assumption that is far too common in the Catholic world today, and it is this: if a so-called “private revelation” has not yet been approved by a bishop, it is tantamount to being disapproved. But this premise is flat out incorrect for two reasons: it contradicts Scripture and the constant teachings of the Church.

    The word St. Paul uses to refer to private revelation is “prophecy.” And no where in Scripture does [​IMG]St. Paul ever instruct that the Body of Christ should only heed “approved” prophecy. Rather, he says,

    Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophetic utterances. Test everything; retain what is good. (1 Thess 5:19-21)

    Clearly, if we are to test everything, then Paul means we should discern all prophetic claims within the Body. If we do, we will no doubt discover some utterances to not be authentic prophecy, to not be “good”; or to be fabrications of the imagination, perceptions of the mind, or worse, deceptions from an evil spirit. But this does not seem to trouble St. Paul in the least. Why? Because he has already laid out for the Church the foundations for discerning truth:

    …hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you… hold fast to the word I preached to you… stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours… let us hold fast to our confession. (1 Cor 11:2; 1 Cor 15:2; 2 Thess 2:15; Heb 4:14)

    As Catholics, we have the incredible gift of Sacred Tradition—the unchanged teachings of the Faith as handed on to us from Christ and the Apostles 2000 years ago. Tradition is the ultimate tool to filter out what is, and isn’t of God.


    This is why I am not afraid to read “unapproved” private revelation or to even quote it when there is nothing objectionable regarding matters of the faith, and when the Church has not “condemned” the visionary. The Public Revelation of Jesus Christ is my foundation, the Catechism is my filter, the Magisterium is my guide. Thus, I am not
    afraid to listen. (Note: while the Bishop of Mostar has been unfavourable to the apparitions at Medjugorje, the Vatican made the extraordinary intervention of relegating his decision to being only “his personal opinion,” [1] and transferring the authoritative decision over the apparitions to the Holy See.)

    Nor am I afraid to welcome any truth, whether it is from the mouth of an atheist or that of a saint—if it is indeed true. [​IMG]For truth is always a refraction of light from He who is Truth itself. St. Paul openly quoted the Greek philosophers; and Jesus commended a Roman official and a pagan woman for their faith and wisdom! [2]

    One of the most beautiful and eloquent litanies to the Blessed Mother that I have ever heard was transcribed from the mouth of a demon during an exorcism. The fallible source did not change the infallible truth that was uttered. This is to say that truth has a beauty and power all on its own that transcends every limitation and fault. Which is why the Church has never expected perfection in its visionaries and seers, or even a pre-disposition to holiness.

    …union with God by charity is not requisite in order to have the gift of prophecy, and thus it was at times bestowed even upon sinners… —POPE BENEDICT XIV, Heroic Virtue, Vol. III, p. 160


    A couple of years ago, I went for an afternoon walk with my bishop. He was as confused as I as to why two Canadian bishops would not allow me to conduct my ministry in their dioceses simply because I have quoted “private revelation” on my website from time to time. [3] He affirmed that I had done nothing wrong and that what I quoted was not unorthodox. “In fact,” he continued, “I would have no problem, for example, quoting Vassula Ryden if what she said was consistent with Catholic teaching, and second, that she was not condemned by the Magisterium.” [4]

    In fact, I would have no problem quoting Confucius or Ghandi in the proper context, if what they [​IMG]said was truth. The root of our inability to listen and discern is ultimately fear—fear of being deceived, a fear of the unknown, a fear of those who are different, etc. However, beyond our differences, beyond our ideologies and how they influence our thinking and behaviours… what you have in the raw is simply another human being made in God’s image with all the capacity and potential of being a saint. We fear others because we have lost the capacity to perceive this intrinsic dignity, to see Christ in the other.
  2. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    The capacity for “dialogue” is rooted in the nature of the person and his dignity. —ST. JOHN PAUL II, Ut Unum Sint, n. 28; vatican.va

    We must not be afraid to engage others, whoever they are or wherever they are at, just as Jesus was never afraid to engage the Roman, Samaritan, or Canaanite. Or do we not have living within us the Spirit of Truth to enlighten, help, and lead us?

    The Advocate, the Holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name—he will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give it to you. Do not let your hearts be troubled or afraid. (John 14:26-27)

    Listen, discern, retain what is good. And this applies, of course, to prophecy.


    The real problem in our times is that people—church people—have ceased praying and communicating with God on the level of listening to His voice. The “faith is in danger of dying out like a flame which no longer has fuel,” Pope Benedict warned the bishops of the world. [5] We can mouth the words of the Mass or the prayers we know by rote… but if we no longer believe or perceive that God speaks to us in the heart, then we will most certainly become cynical to the notion that He would speak to us through modern day prophets. It is “a spiritual perspective alien to present-day attitudes, often tainted with rationalism.” [6]

    [​IMG]On the contrary, Jesus affirmed that He would indeed continue to speak to His Church after His ascension:

    I am the good shepherd, and I know mine and mine know me… and they will hear my voice, and there will be one flock, one shepherd. (John 10:14, 16)

    The Lord speaks to us in primarily two ways: through Public and “private” revelation. He speaks to us in Sacred Tradition—the definitive Revelation of Jesus Christ or “deposit of faith”—through the successors of the Apostles to whom He said:

    Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. (Luke 10:16)


    …even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries. Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 66

    God continues to unfold the Public Revelation of the Church over time, granting deeper and deeper understanding of His mysteries. [7] This is the primary aim of theology—not to invent novel “revelations”, but to recover and unfold what has already been revealed.

    Second, God speaks to us through prophecy in order to help us live these mysteries better in each stage of human history.

    On this point, it should be kept in mind that prophecy in the biblical sense does not mean to predict the future but to explain the will of God for the present, and therefore show the right path to take for the future. —Cardinal Ratzinger (POPE BENEDICT XVI), “Message of Fatima”, Theological Commentary, www.vatican.va

    Thus, God can speak to us prophetically through a myriad of instruments, including and most especially our own hearts. Theologian Hans Urs von Balthasar adds:

    One can therefore simply ask why God provides [revelations] continuously [in the first place if] they hardly need to be heeded by the Church.Mistica oggettiva, n. 35

    Indeed, how can anything God say be unimportant?

    He to whom that private revelation is proposed and announced, ought to believe and obey the command or message of God, if it be proposed to him on sufficient evidence… For God speaks to him, at least by means of another, and therefore requires him to believe; hence it is, that he is bound to believe God, Who requires him to do so. —POPE BENEDICT XIV, Heroic Virtue, Vol III, p. 394


    If Pope Francis were to announce today that Medjugorje is a nasty prank and should be ignored by all the faithful, I would do two things. First, I would give thanks to God for the millions of [​IMG]conversions, countless apostolates, thousands of priestly vocations, hundreds of medically documented miracles, and daily graces that the Lord poured upon the world through this mountain village in Bosnia-Herzegovina (see On Medjugorje). Second, I would obey.

    Until then, I will continue to quote Medjugorje from time to time, and here’s why. Pope John Paul II made a specific request to us youth in 2002 at World Youth Day in Toronto:

    The young have shown themselves to be for Rome and for the Church a special gift of the Spirit of God… I did not hesitate to ask them to make a radical choice of faith and life and present them with a stupendous task: to become “morning watchmen” at the dawn of the new millennium. —ST. JOHN PAUL II, Novo Millennio Inuente, n.9

    To be “for Rome” and “for the Church” means to be faithful to the entire body of Catholic teaching. It means, as watchmen, to interpret the “signs of the times” constantly through the lens of Sacred Tradition. It means, then, to also discern the veritable explosion of Marian apparitions in the past two centuries for, as Cardinal Ratzinger said, “there is a link between the charism of prophecy and the category of “the signs of the times”. [8]

    It is not [private revelations’] role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history.Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 67

    In that regard, how could I ignore Medjugorje? The pre-eminent teaching on discernment by Jesus Christ is pretty straightforward:

    Either declare the tree good and its fruit is good, or declare the tree rotten and its fruit is rotten, for a tree is known by its fruit. (Matthew 12:33)

    [​IMG]As I noted in On Medjugorje, there is no comparable fruit to this alleged apparition site anywhere in the world.

    These fruits are tangible, evident. And in our diocese and in many other places, I observe graces of conversion, graces of a life of supernatural faith, of vocations, of healings, of a rediscovering of the sacraments, of confession. These are all things which do not mislead. This is the reason why I can only say that it is these fruits which enable me, as bishop, to pass a moral judgment. And if as Jesus said, we must judge the tree by its fruits, I am obliged to say that the tree is good. —Cardinal Schönborn; Medjugorje Gebetsakion, #50; Stella Maris, #343, pp. 19, 20

    Likewise, Pope Francis acknowledges the countless conversions that have come from Medjugorje:

    For this, there is no magic wand; this spiritual-pastoral fact cannot be denied. —catholic.org, May 18th, 2017

    Moreover, for me personally, the messages of Medjugorje confirm what I sense the Holy Spirit teaching me interiorly and leading me to write for this apostolate: the necessity for conversion, prayer, frequent participation of the Sacraments, reparation, and adherence to the Word of God. This is the core of our Catholic Faith and the heart of the Gospel. Why wouldn’t I quote Our Mother when she affirms Christ’s teachings?

    Of course, many reject Our Lady of Medjugorje’s messages as banal or “weak and watery”. I submit it is because they do not recognize the most necessary response needed at this hour to the signs of [​IMG]the times, which is not to build cement bunkers, but to build a solid interior life.

    There is need of only one thing. Mary has chosen the better part and it will not be taken from her. (Luke 10:42)

    Hence, the alleged messages repeatedly call the faithful to prayer, conversion, and authentic Gospel living. Unfortunately, people want to hear something more snazzy, more provocative, more apocalyptic… but Medjugorje’s charism is not about the future so much as the present moment. Like a good mother, Our Lady continues to move the plate of vegetables toward us while her children continually shove it back for “dessert.”

    Moreover, some cannot accept the possibility that Our Lady would continue to give monthly messages for over three decades now and running. But when I look at our world in the midst of a moral free-fall, I cannot believe that she wouldn’t.

    And so, I am not afraid to continue quoting Medjugorje or other credible seers and visionaries throughout the world—some who have approval and others who are still under discernment—so long as their message conforms with Catholic teaching, and especially, when they are consistent with the “prophetic consensus” throughout the Church.

    For you did not receive a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear… (Rom 8:15)

    All that said, someone sent me a little laundry list of objections to Medjugorje that includes alleged heresies. And so, I will address these objections in my next writing…
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  3. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Again, a well thought out and written blog by Mark. Making sense out of what most Catholics seem clueless about. Most do not consider or worse yet reject that God is revealing his plans through his prophets, his messengers today (Amos 3:7). This is why Mark, IMHO, is one of the best communicators of the faith today. He does not close his mind to what God has done and is still doing today and he uses scripture, papal writings, words from saints, the Catholic Catechism and Church Tradition to make his case. Those who reject all this, simply don't think God has the will or the desire to speak to this generation, or they think that people are to confused to know what is of God and what is not. In some cases they may be right, but in the big picture they are wrong and often times "quench the spirit" to God's plan.
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  4. sponsa Christi

    sponsa Christi Sponsa Christi Catholic with Baptism of desire

    Remeber our lady of Fatima and Akita
  5. sponsa Christi

    sponsa Christi Sponsa Christi Catholic with Baptism of desire

  6. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Will Mark or Medjugorje address reality?

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  7. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

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  8. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I am not sure that it is Mark's apostolate to comment on every oddity that comes about in the Church. You could write him if you want his opinion. This thread was to explain Mark's position, which I share, on prophecy and why so many fear it.
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  9. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    I most certainly do NOT fear "prophecy." I only fear being deceived, so there's wisdom in following the Church's prudent decisions in this time of all encompassing diabolical deception.
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  10. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    The current stance of the Church permits anyone who wishes to visit Medjugorje to do so and therefore continue to experience whatever occurs there (which, btw, is beyond the control of any individual anyway)...beyond the Mass, Confession, prayer, etc......also therefore those who experience healings for themselves (physical, spiritual, emotional, psychological et al) or friends or families; callings to vocations like the religious life; the natural witnessed as turning to supernatural phenomenon as personally witnessed, not just by an individual but individuals as a group; attending talks by those personally involved with the history, etc.; to do so. In fact that is exactly what the top rep deliberately sent to Medjugorje by the Vatican to be a witness to all that is occurring did and about which he wrote his most positive report to be used to base future Church discernment upon. No one is ordered to do otherwise or to deny what has been personally experienced. To do something other than that would be to violate human free will and conscience and memory and effects upon the person. So those who feel they are actually representing the Church in order to dissuade individuals from experiencing this place are going outside of what the Church currently permits and interfering with the Church's own instructions and permissions allowed for the faithful. There continue to be those in positions of authority over the faithful in parishes for instance, like deacons (or priests), who are instructing those who ask about an interest in going to the place or to follow it, to wait until the Church "finally" speaks. That is just way off of what the Church IS currently saying and permitting and they should be told that even if they have a personal opinion, saying such is NOT what ought to be explained to those who are confused because that is NOT what the Church is currently allowing without any discouragement included in that permission. And those doing so understand that the Church has not formally or officially approved of the various aspects of this place. This is another area where the Church, since Vat II, has boxed itself in due to the "collegiality" of the hierarchy and its various offices of expertise....Pope only being a Bishop among Bishops. This was really seen in the excruciating hoops that Pope JP II felt ordered to jump through rather than to simply follow his own expressed belief in Medjugorje; this is what hampered his personal great desire to visit the spot while so availably close when he visited nearby cities and kept him from "wielding the key" himself. Instead he relied on others to grant him "permission" to do so, even as Pope....this was esp. true in the treatment shown him by the local Bishop. Ridiculous in what has resulted from this lessening of the Pope's authority.....mainly in the divisions caused by all of the various hierarchical factions who have usurped that authority unto themselves.
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  11. Dean

    Dean Archangels

    Well said
  12. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I do not want to run round the bush again concerning Med, all I wi l write is what I have written before, go there and see for yourself.
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  13. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    What is the Church's prudent decision at this time that I too may follow it?
  14. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    I am speaking of prophecy in general, not in particular. Again, I do not “fear” prophecy and such is an absurd thing to say regarding ANYONE who does not accept as authentic an alleged apparition for which the Church has not definitively spoken.

    I’m no fan of WikiPedia but this is a good summary if your reference is to this one in particular:

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  15. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

  16. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Just out of curiosity, the miracle of the sun has been witnessed by many thousands of people in Medugorje. I am honestly curious; if some people do not think this place is of God then how explain the dancing sun?

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  17. padraig

    padraig New Member

    This is very,very sweet; look at the baby , it can see Our Blessed Mother!!

    awwww not a dry eye in the house:):)

  18. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I am not referencing any particular alleged prophecy/message. I simply stated I contend with everything Mark Mallett has wisely written in his blog on my initial post. However, there are those who do reject all alleged prophecy and it has been stated as much on MOG.
  19. Joe Crozier

    Joe Crozier Guest

    Charlie Johnston by his own admission and without reservation got it wrong on his Obama/Trump convictions. Despite allegations to the contrary in obedience to the Church he has never tried to put a spin on his error.

    There are, however, other prophetic private revelations to which he continues to hold fast.
    Major among these is The Rescue at the end of 2017. This is NOT the rapture and it may mark the start of a process. The Rescue does not guarantee that people will convert and if they do change for the better it does not guarantee they will persevere in their conversion.

    Like with those who are taken through the Warning the faculty of free will is not going to be removed. It will just be better informed so those who resist the graces given will be in dire straits, more than ever.

    In Akita Our Lady said the time would come when forgiveness would not be available due to the multiplicity of sin.

    Just as we do not know the details of how the Great Miracle of Garabandal will unfold so the detailed contents of The Rescue are largely unknown. Charlie says this must be so in order to preclude the danger of people thinking they can trust in themselves and plan their own future according to what they know rather than surrendering totally to God’s will.

    Recently Charlie reiterated what we do know about The Rescue:
    It will come at the hands of Mary and will be visible to the whole world. It will cause all to know that God exists, that Jesus is the Son of God and that Mary is His Mother.

    While I have failed to find a way to reconcile this with my faith in Garabandal neither do I reject it out of hand. I simply put it on hold. After all we have only a few short weeks to see if this vision is true.
  20. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Sounds like he is speaking of the Miracle as given at Garabandal. The Warning itself is the "rescue" as it is to be the greatest act of Mercy given to the world as the last chance for repentance and return to God....people will be given the truth about themselves so they can no longer live the big lie unless they totally sell their very souls. From then it will be their choice as to how to move forward. The Miracle will be the great encouragement for those who choose to continue living the Truth they've been given. That is all granted through the great privilege given to the Mother for these times for they are to be known as hers as willed by the Father.
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