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Pope getting rid of College of Cardinals!!??

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by Blizzard, Oct 4, 2017.

  1. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Thank you Mary's Child,
    You are very kind. I am a poor spokesman for the faith. Others here do it much better than I, but I do what I can.
     
  2. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    I deleted the most offensive posts and warned the forum member to knock it off with the personal insults.

    This poster is very similar to Davidtlg - you can fall off the barque of Peter to the left or to the right, Satan doesn’t care which, as long as you fall. This poster is just the mirror opposite of the far left.

    And I know and understand ALL the arguments he is making. But we cannot act on our own, we must wait for the Church to declare anything regarding this papacy. I personally suspect in retrospect his papacy will be declared null and void by the Church, for whatever reason history concludes, but for now, Pope Francis IS the pope.
     
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  3. Dean

    Dean Archangels


    Exactly Carol. Most of us don’t deny that PF has caused some issues with the faithful.
     
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  4. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Thank you Brian,
    The Barque does have 2 sides and right now the seas are pitching and there are no railings. :eek: Yikes!
     
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  5. Mary's child

    Mary's child Archangels

    Lucky for all of us, God doesn't ask us to be great or well spoken, he asks us to to trust. You my friend have shown by your words the trust needed and that is of a child of God.
     
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  6. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Thank you again. You are very kind.

    I think that what might be happening in a larger sense is that God is going to make us trust. He seems to be shaking us down from all of the old things we could rely upon. Since man has turned away from Him we are being stripped of our safety nets. He wants His Mother to be in the spotlight in this time. Yet we have ignored the calls to pray the Rosary, do the First Five Saturdays and make the Immaculate Heart a centerpiece of the Church and our lives. When all is stripped away from us in the end all we may have is Our Lady.

    Only then through the Rosary and the Scapular will she save the world...
     
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  7. Booklady

    Booklady Archangels

    Amen, Praetorian, in these confusing times we must act and become as humble children, relying on our Mother Mary's Rosary, regardless how rough the seas become.
    ..
     
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  8. Mary's child

    Mary's child Archangels

    Yes, to follow Christ we need to hold fast to his mother whom he gave to us and as part of her army the only weapons needed are the rosary, scapular and her humility. I pray that I am worthy.
     
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  9. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Agree. There´s something afoot but the man on the video which originated this thread can´t quite put his finger to it...
     
  10. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Anthony's Truth,

    The point in this discussion is that you have clearly stated your above position numerous times and have yet to find a person on this Forum who agrees with you.

    I encourage you to drop the topic:censored: and engage in other threads. Otherwise you will only become like an irritating bug who eventually is squashed (i.e. banned).:(

    Then you will only be remembered as an irritating person. I'm sure you have insight thoughts on other topics. Give it a try.:)

    Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
     
  11. CrewDog

    CrewDog Angels

    I have no idea what Pope Francis is up-to? ...... but it does not sound good to me vs. China :(

    Pope Francis Removes Anti-Communist Archbishop from Key Vatican Post to Pave Way for Deal with the Chinese Regime

    ttps://www.theepochtimes.com/pope-francis-removes-anti-communist-archbishop-from-key-vatican-post-to-pave-way-for-deal-with-the-chinese-regime_2328898.html

    Pope Francis Does Not Understand the Chinese Communist Party, Says Hong Kong Cardinal Joseph Zen

    https://www.hongkongfp.com/2017/10/...ist-party-says-hong-kong-cardinal-joseph-zen/

    GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
     
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  12. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    :eek:
     
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  13. Mary's child

    Mary's child Archangels

    Yes :eek::eek:
     
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  14. Don_D

    Don_D Powers

    Indeed :eek::eek::confused:

    I have often wondered about Pope Francis leanings toward socialist/communist leadership as well as his comments regarding communism in the past because of his time in South America. He is right in many respects regarding our societies materialism. It truly is a scourge that separates us from others. That said, the alternative is not an alternative IMO but a yoke of death.

    Catholics in China are again taking to underground churches because of the control that the communist government is exerting over the state approved church. It is being persecuted as well.

    It's as if Pope Francis has just given up fighting against evil.

    From the article;

    Pope Francis Removes Anti-Communist Archbishop from Key Vatican Post to Pave Way for Deal with the Chinese Regime
    By Paul Huang
    October 7, 2017 4:33 pm Last Updated: October 7, 2017 4:43 pm
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    Archbishop Savio Hon Tai-Fai the Secretary of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples has been removed from his powerful post by Pope Francis. This stock photo shows then-Bishop Hon surrounded by prelates during a holy mass celebrated by Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican on Feb. 5, 2011. (Alberto Pizzoli/AFP/Getty Images)

    A senior archbishop known for his strong opposition to the Communist regime in China has been removed from a key post in the Vatican by Pope Francis. The move is the latest in a series of overtures Pope Francis has made in recent years to seek resumption of diplomatic relations between the Vatican and the Chinese regime, which has always rejected the Pope’s authority to appoint Catholic bishops in Mainland China.

    Pope Francis made the surprise announcement on Sept. 28 that Archbishop Savio Hon Tai-Fai, the Secretary of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples (Propaganda Fide) at the Vatican, will be reassigned to Athens, Greece to serve as the Vatican’s papal nuncio (diplomat). The 67-year-old Archbishop from Hong Kong, who has been the highest-ranking official of Chinese origin in the Vatican, has no prior diplomatic experience.

    As the French newspaper La Croix noted, Archbishop Hon has been one of the most senior bishops opposed to Pope Francis’ policy of rapprochement with the Chinese regime. His position at the Vatican’s Propaganda Fide, where he served for seven years since being appointed there by previous Pope Benedict XVI in 2010, was a powerful post as that put him second-in-command in the Vatican body that directly governs Vatican’s missionary works.

    The Vatican and the People’s Republic of China have had no diplomatic relations since 1951, as the Chinese Communist Party insisted from the very beginning of its rule that all bishops of the Roman Catholic Church in mainland China should be appointed by itself so as to maintain control. Instead, a regime-controlled Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association (CPCA) was created to supposedly represent Catholics in China, yet the CPCA has never been recognized by the Vatican.

    Since Pope Francis was elected in 2013, however, he has made numerous overtures to open diplomatic relations, such as a Papal flight over China in 2014, and an announcement in February of this year that an agreement over the issue of the power to appoint Bishops has been reached with Beijing, among other events.

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    In this stock photo, Cardinal Joseph Zen Ze-kiun (C), Hong Kong’s outspoken former bishop, looks on as he joins leading pro-democracy activists in front of the Wanchai police station in Hong Kong on Jan. 24, 2015. (Philippe Lopez/AFP/Getty Images)
    Archbishop Hon is known for being a close ally to Cardinal Joseph Zen, the respected former Bishop of Hong Kong who retired in 2009. Just like Hon, Zen has been a staunch opponent of the Chinese regime and its many violations of human rights and religious freedom. In recent years, Zen has emerged as the most prominent critic of Pope Francis’ approach with Beijing.

    “Finally they got rid of him! But Greece is not further away from Rome than Hong Kong!?” Joseph Zen wrote in his blog in response to Pope Francis’ decision to remove Hon.

    Now age 85, Zen undertook a high profile visit across the United States and Canada this week, and repeatedly criticized what he claimed to be Pope Francis and the Vatican officials’ misguided optimism when it comes to a deal with the Chinese regime.

    “The Chinese government has not made any concessions in the negotiations,” he told the Chinese-language World Journal in New York on Sunday. “[Pope Francis] does not understand the Chinese Communist Party at all.”

    Archbishop Hon’s removal shows that Pope Francis has made up his mind on the issue of opening relations with the Chinese regime and is not listening to any opposing view, according to Zen.

    The Vatican has yet to respond to the latest remarks by Cardinal Zen, and The Epoch Times’ repeated phone calls to the Vatican’s Press Office to request for comment have not been answered.
     
  15. Mario

    Mario Powers

    The Vatican has yet to respond to the latest remarks by Cardinal Zen, and The Epoch Times’ repeated phone calls to the Vatican’s Press Office to request for comment have not been answered.

    Why am I not surprised?:(:confused::cry:

    Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
     
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  16. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Very enlightening interview by good Cardinal Zen.

     
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  17. sunburst

    sunburst Archangels

    And now this!

    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/10/francis-we-must-join-cultural.html
     
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  18. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    It seems the words of St Anthony of the Desert have come to pass:

    St. Anthony of the Desert (4th century) [Disquisition
    CXIV]. "Men will surrender to the spirit of the age. They
    will say that if they had lived in our day, Faith would be
    simple and easy. But in their day, they will say, things are
    complex; the Church must be brought up to date and made
    meaningful to the day's problems. When the Church and the
    World are one, then those days (end times) are at hand. Because our Di-
    vine Master placed a barrier between His things and the
    things of the world."
     
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  19. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Francis: We must join cultural revolution to see Church's "weaknesses and shortcomings"
    The Francis Revolution may be going into hyperdrive. Video below courtesy Rome Reports:

    FRANCIS: “There is a real cultural revolution on the horizon of history at this time. The Church must, first and foremost, be part of it. In this perspective, it is essential to honestly recognize her weaknesses and shortcomings.”

    So let us all join hands with the world and accept compromise with the world to the truths of God!!! How's that going to work out for our salvation? It only get's worse and worse as he opens his true mind to the world.
     
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  20. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    And just what might this "cultural revolution" be that we all must join?

    My goodness, the words of so many prophets are coming to pass before our very eyes... and yet so many refuse to see.

    Besides St Anthony (above) here´s what Blessed Anna Katarina Emmerick wrote in 1820:

    May 13, 1820. i saw also the relationship between
    the two popes. . . I saw how baleful would be the conse-
    quences of this false church. I saw it increase in size; heretics
    of every kind came into the city (of Rome). The local clergy
    grew lukewarm, and I saw a great darkness. . . Then, the
    vision seemed to extend on every side. Whole Catholic com-
    munities were being oppressed, harassed, confined, and de-
    prived of their freedom. I saw many churches close down,
    great miseries everywhere, wars and bloodshed. A wild and
    ignorant mob took to violent action. But it did not last long.

    j[ 53.2 w 'Once more I saw that the Church of Peter was un-
    dermined by a plan evolved by the secret sect, while storms
    were damaging it. But I saw also that help was coming when
    distress had reached its peak. I saw again the Blessed Virgin
    ascend on the Church and spread her mantle [over it]. I saw
    a Pope who was at once gentle, and very firm. . . I saw a
    great renewal, and the Church rose high in the sky."

    Comment: (made by author Yves Dupont in the 1960´s!)
    Many prophecies predict an anti-pope and a
    schism. Many predict war, bloodshed, and persecutions right
    in the Vatican. But also many say that "it will not last long"
    and that "help will come when everything seems hopeless.''


    1j 53.3 Sept. 12, 1820. "I saw a strange church being built
    against every rule. . . No angels were supervising the building
    operations. In that church, nothing came from high above. . .
    There was only division and chaos. It is probably a church of
    human creation, following the latest fashion, as well as the
    new heterodox church of Rome, which seems of the same
    kind. . .

    |f 53.4 i saw again the strange big church that was being
    built there (in Rome). There was nothing holy in it. I saw
    this just as I saw a movement led by Ecclesiastics to which
    contributed angels, saints and other Christians. But there (in
    the strange big church) all the work was being done mechani-
    cally (i.e. according to set rules and formulae). Everything
    was being done according to human reason. . .

    ^ 53.5 "I saw all sorts of people, things, doctrines, and
    opinions. There was something proud, presumptuous, and vio-
    lent about it, and they seemed to be very successful. I did not
    see a single Angel nor a single saint helping in the work. But
    far away in the background, I saw the seat of a cruel people
    armed with spears, and I saw a laughing figure which said:
    'Do build it as solid as you can; we will pull it to the
    ground.' "
     
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  21. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

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