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Pope Francis (A defense)

Discussion in 'Pope Francis' started by Mark Dohle, Mar 14, 2017.

  1. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    From Fr Ray Blake in Brighton, England.

    Fr. Blake on fake news, filthy lies, nasty people, anonymity, vilification and bile



    Did you believe the story about the Pope submitting his five dubia to Cardinal Mueller? No nor did I, I just don't believe the stories that begin Monsignor A told Bishop B that Cardinal C had said the Pope has said or done Y. I do my best not to listen to gossip, and not to report it. If we can't try to speak the truth we are unlikely to be faithful witnesses to Christ, we have an obligation to speak the truth even if it costs us dearly in order to be credible.

    I certainly don't trust Monsignori or anyone who is willing to back up a damaging statement about the Pope without being willing to put his name to it, especially as in this case it was also about someone like Cardinal Mueller who is quite able to state frankly his own case and has a certain reputation of being honourable. Passing on this kind of 'fake news' is trading in filth, I find it as scandalous as stories about sexual deviants having parties in the Vatican.

    Poor Pope Francis has to battle as much against with his friends as against his enemies, many of the more vociferous on both side are pretty unpleasant, they contaminate with their filthy lies those who listen to them and pass on in all innocence what they have heard. Simply, the Gospel allow it and threatens judgement against those who do it!

    There is a very good podcast by Damien Thompson and Fr Ed Conlon at the end of this piece in the Spectator. Fr Ed hits the nail by saying that invariably liberal commentators misinterpret the Pope, it is not just journalists but as is discussed even revamped the Academy for Life came out with a statement regarding not keeping little Charlie Gard alive by extending his treatment, whilst the Pope, the very next day invited the family to Rome for further treatment.

    One of the great problems with every court is that courtiers tend to fail to understand the thinking of the Prince, which means of course one moment you can be by his side giving advice and the next in a cage on the roof Castel Sant'Angelo exposed to the elements. The other thing about courtiers is they are often very nasty people, they put their trust in princes and not in the Lord. To see this today one only has to look at Twitter to see the abusive or gloating comments of those who claim to be close to the Pope today. If they judge a man to be an enemy of Francis there is no end to the vilification and bile.

    The more unpredictable or incoherent a prince becomes the more violent and malevolent become those who surround him, of course they wish to control him, in the case of the current Pope this probably impossible, in the words of Cardinal Pell, 'he is unique'.
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  2. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

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    LifeSiteNews staff
    Wed Jul 12, 2017 - 7:00 am EST

    Pope Francis promoting a ‘hidden schism’ with ‘obstinate persistence,’ warns Pope Benedict collaborator

    ROME, July 12, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – An atheist philosopher friend of Benedict XVI has strongly criticized Pope Francis, accusing the Holy Father of not preaching the Gospel but politics, fomenting schism, and issuing secularist statements aimed at destroying the West.

    In a fiery interview published July 10 in Mattino di Napoli, Marcello Pera, who co-wrote the famous 2005 book Without Roots with then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, said he cannot understand the Pope who, he said, goes beyond the bounds of “rational comprehension.”

    A philosophy professor, member of Silvio Berlusconi’s Forza Italia party, and a former president of the Italian Senate, Pera said he believes the reason why the Pope calls for unlimited immigration is because he “hates the West” and is seeking to do all he can “to destroy it.”

    He added that he does not like the Pope’s magisterium, saying it is “not the Gospel, only politics,” and that Francis is “little or not at all interested in Christianity as doctrine, in its theological aspect.”

    “His statements appear to be based on Scripture,” he said, but “actually they are strongly secularist.”

    Immigration has become a highly sensitive topic in Italy in recent months as thousands of refugees arrive every month, mostly from north Africa, placing considerable strain on local communities and services.

    Pera's comments also come after another conversation between the Pope and the atheist Eugenio Scalfari in which Francis allegedly told Scalfari to be “very concerned” about the summit last week of the G20 group of industrialized nations because they have “very dangerous alliances” and a “distorted view of the world.”

    According to Scalfari, who is over 90 and doesn’t record his interviews, the Pope also said the G20 worried him because of the issue of immigration, saying the problem is “unfortunately rising in today's world, that of the poor, the weak, the excluded, of which migrants are part.” Some of the G20 nations have “few local poor but fear the invasion of immigrants,” he said.

    In the July 10 interview Pera, went on to say that he believes the Pope isn’t concerned about the salvation of souls but only social well-being and welfare, and argued that if Europe were to follow the Pope’s position, it would be committing suicide. “The Pope reflects all the prejudices of South America against North America, against the free market, liberty, and capitalism,” Pera added.

    On the issue of migration, the philosopher politician believes the Pope’s approach is not from the Gospel, and his words are designed to win easy applause from the United Nations. His political vision on migrants and society, he continued, has “nothing to do with the Western tradition of political freedom and its Christian roots.”

    Pera’s book with Cardinal Ratzinger, whose full title was Without RootsThe West, Relativism, Christianity, Islam, warned of the dangers facing civilization if the West abandoned its moral and cultural history. The joint authors called on Western leaders to embrace a spiritual rather than political renewal, accepting the moral values of its Judeo-Christian heritage which would enable society to make sense of today’s economic, political and social challenges.

    In this week's interview, Pera said he believes the open doors approach to migrants that the Pope is advancing will lead to a “bad reaction” with no desirable solution. He said the Pope’s positions underline that he is not in “perfect harmony” with “conservative Catholics and the rest of the Church.”

    He added that Francis is not only causing problems in politics over migration, he is also fueling a kind of schism within the Church.

    Pera, whose 2008 book Why We Must Call Ourselves Christians contained a preface by Pope Benedict XVI, maintained that an “apparent hidden schism exists in the Catholic world” that the Pope is “pursuing with obstinate persistence and determination.”

    But he said this “new course” being pursued by Francis does not convince him at all, and argued that it is “exploding the Second Vatican Council in all its revolutionary radicality.”

    Pera further believes these ideas, which he thinks are devastating for the Church, have their origins in the Council. “That aggiornamento (updating) of Christianity secularized the Church, triggering a very profound change, even if it risked bringing a schism that was kept at bay in the years that followed,” he said.

    He credited Benedict XVI and Pope St. John Paul II for saving the Church, “resisting and trying to mediate the new with tradition.” They did this in a “lofty way,” he said, but now Francis has brought all back into discussion: “human rights, all without exception, have become the ideal point of reference and compass for the Church” while the “rights of God and of tradition have almost gone.”

    In an interview with the National Catholic Register in 2006, Pera warned against multiculturalism, saying it leads to the exact “opposite of integration, because it gives rise to separate communities, that are then reduced to a ghetto-like status and enter into conflict amongst themselves.”

    He also said then that his diagnosis for Europe’s future was “not a happy one.”

    “If Europe goes forward with its relativist culture, with the refusal of its own tradition, with its low nativity rates, with indiscriminate immigration, then Europe is going to end up Islamized,” he warned.

    Referring to Benedict XVI’s comments in Without Roots, he said “the impression today is that Europe resembles the Roman Empire at its fall.”
  3. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    That's all we need. Another atheist friend of a Pope telling us what's good for us.

    Can you imagine St. Peter co-authoring books with atheists or giving exclusive interviews to them?

    The Church would be better off if the Vatican were handed over to the Italians, St. Peter's relics exhumed and moved to a tiny church in some backwater, and the curia housed in little cottages with basic facilities. Then the atheist hangers on would fade away and we could get back to being a Church in the world but not of the world.
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  4. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    This, from Wikipedia, is all I need to know about Marcello Pera:

    Pera, who was born in Lucca, graduated in accounting, and he worked for the Banca Toscana and for the Camera di Commercio in Lucca. He went on to study philosophy at the University of Pisa, concentrating on the works of Karl Popper and his open society theory, and advocating these principles during the difficult 1970s, the anni di piombo.

    Mr. Pera and George Soros have something in common: Karl Popper and his open society theory.

    We'll all be better off when Cardinals and Popes realise that the Jesus who ate with sinners also said something about shaking the dust from our feet. Hasten the day when our hierarchy concentrate on collaborating with Catholics about establishing a Christian society built on the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
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  5. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    These days we need to be very careful with the news coming from Rome. I think friends of the pope (his courtiers), or enemies of the Church, are sometimes at the origin of the very negative news about the pope. They want to divide. They want to fool what they label as the 'conservative' Church so they can accuse many faithful Catholics of amplifying fake news, fundamentalism, opposition to the pope etc - because they know it's fake news (they produce them) it's a win win for them. So we need to beware! Their goal I think is ultimately to discredit the renmant of orthodox faithful and convince this pope or the next that they need to be cast out.
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  6. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Yes we must be very careful. Rememeber the fake "Fra Cristoforo" "leaks" that were deliberately manufactured.
  7. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    Indeed, the Vatican has more leaks than US Intelligence.

    I believe that the apostasy infecting the Church springs from a lack of belief in the Eucharist, the source and summit of our Faith. You don't have to look any further than the Vatican for evidence of that. Access to anywhere near the tomb of St. Peter requires a special ticket booked months in advance. In contrast, anyone can saunter into Mass in St. Peter's, hold out their hand and be given Jesus.

    The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is celebrated in a small chapel on one side of St. Peter's. Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament is held in another small chapel on the opposite side. Meanwhile, crowds throng the main basilica taking selfies or admiring the talent of artists and sculptors. Special security measures were installed after the Pieta statue was vandalised. Little or nothing is done to prevent offences against Jesus in the Blessed Eucharist.

    How long will the Father tolerate this sacrilege against his Son who suffered for us? Not much longer I reckon. If we don't clean up our act, He will.
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  8. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels


    (Vatican Radio) “Come to me, all you who are weary and are burdened, and I will give you rest.”

    This passage, from the day’s Gospel reading, was the starting point for Pope Francis’ reflections ahead of the Sunday Angelus.

    Jesus, the Pope said, addresses this invitation to everyone, without exception, who feels weary or burdened by life. “Jesus knows how hard life can be,” he said. He knows how many things can cause our hearts to grow weary.

    In the face of all these burdens of life, the first word of Jesus’ invitation is “Come.” When things are going badly, Pope Francis said, it is a mistake to remain where we are. Although this might seem evident, he continued, it is natural in moments of darkness to turn in on ourselves, to brood on the injustices of life, the ingratitude of others, or the wickedness of the world. But Jesus wants to pull us out of this “quicksand.” The way out is in the relationship, in reaching out our hand and lifting our gaze toward the one Who truly loves us.

    But going out of ourselves is only the first step, the Pope said: we must also know where to go. In life, many of our goals can be deceptive, promising us rest and distracting us for a while, but ultimately leaving us as alone as when we started. They are like fireworks. And this is why Jesus says, “Come to me.” We often turn to others in times of difficulty – we must not forget to turn to Jesus, to open ourselves up to Him, and to entrust our difficulties to Him.

    The Lord is waiting for us in order to help us, but this does not mean He will magically take away our difficulties. “Jesus does not take the Cross from us,” the Holy Father said; rather “He carries it with us.” When we come to Jesus, we receive peace, a peace that remains even in trials and difficulty. The Lord Himself promises this to us, repeating again at the end of the day’s Gospel reading, “Learn from me… and you will find rest for your life.”

    “Let us learn to go to Jesus,” Pope Francis said in conclusion. “And while, in these summer months, we seek some respite from those things that weary the body, let us not forget to find true rest in the Lord.”
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