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Odd Day

Discussion in 'Coffee House' started by padraig, Nov 22, 2016.

  1. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I had an odd but kind of nice day today. Last night I hardly slept at all (who knows why). When I woke up this morning the two puppies attacked the elcerical adaptor that I use to keep my aquarium warm . So rather than let all the fish die I had to use the adaptor from my computer and so turn of fthe computer and elave the forum.

    I spent the next hour in complete silence reading about Medugorje and thinking maybe God wanted me to be quiet.

    I decided to open the family Bible and look at a reading to see if I could get a tap on the shoulder from God. I raised my eyes quite a lot when I read this from the

    Prophet Jeremiah 25:

    The Cup of God’s Wrath
    15 This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, said to me: “Take from my hand this cup filled with the wine of my wrath and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. 16 When they drink it, they will stagger and go mad because of the sword I will send among them.”

    17 So I took the cup from the Lord’s hand and made all the nations to whom he sent me drink it: 18 Jerusalem and the towns of Judah, its kings and officials, to make them a ruin and an object of horror and scorn, a cursec]">[c]—as they are today; 19 Pharaoh king of Egypt, his attendants, his officials and all his people, 20 and all the foreign people there; all the kings of Uz; all the kings of the Philistines (those of Ashkelon, Gaza, Ekron, and the people left at Ashdod); 21 Edom, Moab and Ammon; 22 all the kings of Tyre and Sidon; the kings of the coastlands across the sea; 23 Dedan, Tema, Buz and all who are in distant placesd]">[d]; 24 all the kings of Arabia and all the kings of the foreign people who live in the wilderness; 25 all the kings of Zimri, Elam and Media; 26 and all the kings of the north, near and far, one after the other—all the kingdoms on the face of the earth. And after all of them, the king of Sheshake]">[e] will drink it too.

    27 “Then tell them, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you.’ 28 But if they refuse to take the cup from your hand and drink, tell them, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty says: You must drink it! 29 See, I am beginning to bring disaster on the city that bears my Name, and will you indeed go unpunished? You will not go unpunished, for I am calling down a sword on all who live on the earth, declares the Lord Almighty.’

    30 “Now prophesy all these words against them and say to them:

    “‘The Lord will roar from on high;
    he will thunder from his holy dwelling
    and roar mightily against his land.
    He will shout like those who tread the grapes,
    shout against all who live on the earth.
    31 The tumult will resound to the ends of the earth,
    for the Lord will bring charges against the nations;
    he will bring judgment on all mankind
    and put the wicked to the sword,’”
    declares the Lord.

    32 This is what the Lord Almighty says:

    “Look! Disaster is spreading
    from nation to nation;
    a mighty storm is rising
    from the ends of the earth.”

    33 At that time those slain by the Lord will be everywhere—from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.

    34 Weep and wail, you shepherds;
    roll in the dust, you leaders of the flock.
    For your time to be slaughtered has come;
    you will fall like the best of the rams.f]">[f]
    35 The shepherds will have nowhere to flee,
    the leaders of the flock no place to escape.
    36 Hear the cry of the shepherds,
    the wailing of the leaders of the flock,
    for the Lord is destroying their pasture.
    37 The peaceful meadows will be laid waste
    because of the fierce anger of the Lord.
    38 Like a lion he will leave his lair,
    and their land will become desolate
    because of the swordg]">[g] of the oppressor
    and because of the Lord’s fierce anger.

    Later on in work I was dead on my feet but got quite a surprise when one of the guys , a very quiet man began to speak about me , long and loud to my fellow workers. Very, almost cringingly embarrasisng because he had only good things to say which he proceeded to do loudly, stronlgy and at considerable length. :rolleyes: I could have died.

    At lunch time I staggered own to mass at the Chaplaincy at the University. At the start of mass I heard the Lord say from the Tabernacle quite cleary , 'I and thou', very fondly.

    Later it being the Feast of St Cecilia, Patroness of music I begged for the grace of being able to sing well.For I ahve the most terrible singing voice on the entire planet.

    Again I heard a smiling voice from the Tabernacle,

    'Well I think there is nothing wrong with your singing!' Then I heard the sound of Him laughing.

    In the late afternoon I went almost blind with a great migraine brought on from lack of sleep. When I asked my boss if I could go home half an hour early she was very nasty about it but let me go. I stood with my eyes closed in the station and on the train and lo and behold the migraine was gone .:D:D

    Happy me and out of work early:D

    But anyway if you look at the Reading I was forced to pick up in the Bible this morning, I believe it refers directly to events in the Catholic Church and the world around us.

    You can thank two crazy Akita pups for this.:):(;)

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  2. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Now I am away to bed.



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  3. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Sounds like a good day! and those pups are adorable!!!
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  4. DonnaS

    DonnaS Guest

    thanks Padraig!
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  5. Mario

    Mario Powers

    You must have a love for Cecelia, Padraig. You posted the following in 2013:

    Feast: November 22

    The name of St. Cecilia has always been most illustrious in the church, and ever since the primitive ages is mentioned with distinction in the canon of the mass, and in the sacramentaries and calendars of the church. Her spouse Valerian, Tiburtius, and Maximus, an officer, who were her companions in martyrdom, are also mentioned in the same authentic and venerable writings. St. Cecilia was a native of Rome, of a good family, and educated in the principles and perfect practice of the Christian religion. In her youth she by vow consecrated her virginity to God, yet was compelled by her parents to marry a nobleman named Valerian. Him she converted to the faith, and soon after gained to the same his brother Tiburtius. The men first suffered martyrdom, being beheaded for the faith. St. Cecilia finished her glorious triumph some days after them. Their acts, which are of very small authority, make them contemporary with Pope Urban I, and consequently place their martyrdom about the year 230, under Alexander Severus; others, however, place the triumph of these martyrs under Marcus Aurelius, between the years 176 and 180. Their sacred bodies were deposited in part of the cemetery of Calixtus, which part, from our saint, was called St. Cecilia's cemetery. Mention is made of an ancient Church of St. Cecilia in Rome in the fifth century, in which Pope Symmachus held a council in the year 500. This church being fallen to decay, Pope Paschal I began to rebuild it; but was in some pain how he should find the body of the saint, for it was thought that the Lombards had taken it away, as they had many others from the cemeteries of Rome, when they besieged that city under King Astulphus in 755. One Sunday, as this pope was assisting at matins as was his wont, at St. Peter's, he fell into a slumber, in which he was advertised by St. Cecilia herself that the Lombards had in vain sought for her body, and that he should find it; and he accordingly discovered it in the cemetery called by her name, clothed in a robe of gold tissue, with linen cloths at her feet, dipped in her blood. With her body was found that of Valerian, her husband; and the pope caused them to be translated to her church in the city; as also the bodies of Tiburtius and Maximus, martyrs, and of the popes Urban and Lucius, which lay in the adjoining cemetery of Praetextatus, on the same Appian road.[1] This translation was made in 821. Pope Paschal founded a monastery in honour of these saints, near the Church of St. Cecilia, that the monks might perform the office day and night. He adorned that church with great magnificence, and gave to it silver plate to the amount of about nine hundred pounds—among other things a ciborium, or tabernacle, of five hundred pounds weight; and a great many pieces of rich stuffs for veils and such kinds of ornaments; in one of which was represented the angel crowning St. Cecilia, Valerian, and Tiburtius. This church, which gives title to a cardinal priest, was sumptuously rebuilt in 1599 by Cardinal Paul Emilius Sfondrati, nephew to Pope Gregory XIV, when Clement VIII caused the bodies of these saints to be removed under the high altar, and deposited in a most sumptuous vault in the same church called the Confession of St. Cecilia; it was enriched in such a manner by Cardinal Paul Emilius Sfondrati as to dazzle the eye and astonish the spectator. This church of St. Cecilia is called In Trastevere, or Beyond the Tiber, to distinguish it from two other churches in Rome which bear the name of this saint.

    And I responded:

    From Padraig's post #2:

    ...when Clement VIII caused the bodies of these saints to be removed under the high altar, and deposited in a most sumptuous vault in the same church called the Confession of St. Cecilia; it was enriched in such a manner by Cardinal Paul Emilius Sfondrati as to dazzle the eye and astonish the spectator. This church of St. Cecilia is called In Trastevere, or Beyond the Tiber, to distinguish it from two other churches in Rome which bear the name of this saint.

    In 2003, my young family had the joy of visiting Rome, primarily to witness the profession of my oldest son, Benjamin, as a Legionary of Christ. The day following, we visited this very vault, located 50 feet below, amidst the remains of Cecelia's reputed home. If true, then her father was a tanner, for we could see the pits where the hides were treated. I'm surprised at the use of the term vault. I would describe it as the most wonderfully adorned chapel I've ever seen, supported by beautiful, ornate columns . Apart from the room behind the altar (where Cecelia's incorrupt body is reserved), it is no larger than 30' by 30' feet, nor higher than 15'. It was well lit and exuded the most beautiful sense of peace. We arrived at a time when the underground chapel usually was not open to visitors, however, my resourceful wife, Geralyn, presented my son in his new clerical outfit, and the guard acquiesced!:) Even he joined us in praying a portion of the Rosary, we reciting in English and he in Italian. It is an image forever engraved in my memory! Thank you Jesus and Cecelia!

    So here we are three years later!:):cool:

    Safe through the Intercession of St. Cecelia, Martyr and Virgin!
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  6. padraig

    padraig New Member

    There is something truly wonderful about St Cecilia, especially with her being patron of music.

    There is another mystic quite like her. Who still sings to her nuns to this day even from beyond the grave and if you go to her convent today you might still hear her!!

    Iwill have to hunt to find her. But she stillsings to her nuns in choir every now and then from heaven.:)
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  7. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I missed so much on my trips to Rome, I am so sorry I missed this. I always find uncorrupted bodies of the saints mind blowing.

    One I took a lot of time with is Pope St John the 23rd. I spent a long time studying his incorrupt body as I ahve a huge devotion to him. It is astonishing One of his confessors said he enver stained his baptismal robe. I an well beleive it.



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    padraig New Member

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  9. padraig

    padraig New Member

    They are beautiful, but hard work, they insist on attacking me and their poor mother as soon as they get out of their cage. Their father does nothing but growl at them and chase them away.

    Father Christmas will waft theaway down someones' chimney on the 15th December when they get their second injections. They are huge and full of life.:)
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  10. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Another incorrupt..

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  11. DonnaS

    DonnaS Guest

    thanks for the spiritual and doggie lift!
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  12. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Maranatha

    From the article you gave a link to, the following is found:

    The embalmed body of Blessed John XXIII, who died on Pentecost Sunday, June 3, 1963, had since his death been in the crypt, alongside the remains of dozens of other popes. The remains of many other popes are buried in the interior of the basilica.

    The only other popes in glass coffins for public viewing are Blessed Innocent XI (who died in 1689, and was beatified by Pius XII in 1956) and St Pius X (who died in 1914, was beatified in 1951 and canonized in 1954 by Pius XII).

    When John XXIII's coffin was opened 38 years after his death, his body was practically intact. "A miracle," some Italians declared, but without support from the Vatican authorities.

    Gennaro Goglia, who in 1963 was a professor of anatomy at the Catholic University of the Sacred Heart in Rome, also rejected suggestions that there had been a miracle.

    Dr Goglia told the daily newspaper Famiglia Cristiana that he injected Pope John's body with a "special liquid" to preserve human remains which had been developed by Professor Winkler of the University of Lausanne (Switzerland), an "authority in this field."

    It seems that his body was embalmed, and not miraculously incorrupt.
    Personally, I have uneasy feelings about this Pope. Probably because he was the Pope who decided not to release the 3rd secret of Fatima in 1960 in defiance of Mother Mary's instruction to Sr Lucia.
    Also, he was responsible for Vatican II and the changes it brought. Changes, which I believe, led to negative effects in our Church.
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  13. Mario

    Mario Powers


    I believe your brushstroke is a little too wide. I am deeply disappointed that Pope John XXIII chose not to reveal the 3rd secret. And I believe that the implementation of the Vatican II documents was hijacked by neo-modernists. But to say that fault for mess we're in rests with the fact that the Pope called a Council is a bit simplistic. Back on November 11 I posted the following on a different thread:

    I know that I've probably brought this up in an ancient thread, but one example of Sacrosantum Concilium that has been completely swept under the rug is its instruction in the use of Latin in the reform of the Liturgy. Notice these quotes:

    Article 36 begins : 1. Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites. Yes, it goes on to suggest certain parts of Holy Mass that may be celebrated in the vernacular, such as the readings from Scripture, but there was never a sense of Latin's eradication. Notice the following from articles 54 and 116:

    54. In Masses which are celebrated with the people, a suitable place may be allotted to their mother tongue. This is to apply in the first place to the readings and "the common prayer," but also, as local conditions may warrant, to those parts which pertain to the people, according to the norm laid down in Art. 36 of this Constitution. Nevertheless steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.

    116. The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services.

    What happened? :confused::(


    After all, Pope Paul VI presided over the second half of the Council and was Pontiff during its implementation.

    Safe in the Barque of Peter!
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  14. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Maranatha

    Yes, I too, wonder what happened...
  15. Carmel333

    Carmel333 Archangels

    Well I see from another thread we are to expect the three days of darkness starting tomorrow. Am just hoping a 14 pound Thanksgiving Turkey with the fixings is enough to get me and the boys (1 Golden Retriever and 2 Newfies) through it. Ok being half silly and half serious. I did find my blessed candles though....
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  16. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

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  17. Light

    Light Principalities


    Thanks for that clarification.

    I believe Vatican 11 was hijacked and I never had any doubts about the true sanctity and the authentically good person Pope John 23 was.

    God Bless
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  18. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Pope St John is one of my very favourite saints. I don't know if many of you actually recall his Pontificate? I was young then but I remember the joy and inspiration he gave to a world that has perhaps come to see the Popes as remote and detached from the world of our everyday. An instance of this is that whenever anyone answered the phone to Pope Pius XII they were supposed to do so on their knees. While Pius was a great and holy man , with a huge devotion to Our Blessed Lady this was not I think the way to go. Poor Pius , though himself a genius, had to suppose he had a duty to be the most learned at all he undertook. So for instance if he was addressing a conference of Doctors or scientists nothing would do him but he would learn up on the subject matter to be or appear to be as well versed on matters as those he was talking to.

    The Church had to a large degree frozen up to a legalistic mentality , rather like the blood congealing in our veins. The Church is always in a constant and fruiful dynamic between the Formal and the Mystical. At the time of St Pope Johns accession the leaglistic formal had won out. So for instance as one teacher of Moral Theology told me a preist could be considered guilty of over 60 types of mortal sin simply whilst vesting for mass. :D

    Pope St John spoke of the Church as opening its windows to the world. I think he was guided by the Holy Spirit in this. He warned of the dangers of seeing any change as evil and the Church surrounded by enemies.

    He reached our firstly by simply being a loving grandfather.

    One of his first acts was to visit Queen of Heaven (Regina Caeli ) Prison in Rome. They say there was not a dry eyes in the house guards and prisoners weeping openly. He told the story of his uncle being caught poaching and winding up in jail . He also said that very often the only difference between those in jail and those not in jail were that those in jail happened to get caught ( I am sure many Italian politicians listening could only shrug and agree).


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  19. padraig

    padraig New Member

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  20. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Concerning the Second Vatican Council. Pope St John was 74 years old when elected Pope . The Caridnals seemed to have elected him as a caretaker because they could not agree on a candidate. He was there was harmless old buffer who would keep the seat warm until someone else came along. We forget how much hostility there was to the idea of a Church Council. For intsatnce when he announced it to the Curia it was recieved by them in cold ,hostile silence. THis hurt poor St John very deeply.

    But there is an interesting converstaion between himself and his Secretary Monsignor (later Archbishop Capovilla) on the subject. Capovilla hestitatingly suggested to the Pope that perhaps the idea of a COuncil was premature coming form such an old man. But the old saint told the priest that he was mistakenbecause he was thinking in merely human terms. Pope St John taking it as an inspriation of the Holy SPirit went into a Discernment process about it to decide if the idea was human or came from God. On reflection he determined it was from God and acted on it. I ahve no doubt he was right on this.

    Recall Pope John was dead and in heaven before a lot of evil folk misused the OCuncil for their own ends. Some evil came form teh COuncill but much, much , much more that was good. We are men , not angels we should expect this. Any opening to change is taking a chance. But by far the most certain thing is that those who are not open to change most be prepared to corrupt and die.

    Pope John took this chance.


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