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North Korea and Iran Threat Updates

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Carol55, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Luan, Thank you for posting this. I read it and forgot to post about it, I'm slacking off a little bit :oops:. TY again!

    I think that the following article,
    https://www.voanews.com/a/tillerson-says-us-has-opened-direct-line-of-communication-with-north-korea/4051082.html
    accurately portrays the situation in regards to talks between the USA and NK currently.

    Many MSM headlines
    (ie. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...1d99ad6aa22_story.html?utm_term=.3c898fd80e69 )
    appear to be trying to paint a different picture. It makes me wonder if something "big" happens are they trying to increase the backlash that Pres. Trump will receive from the country and the world.

    So, here is the more accurate portrayal IMHO,


    State Department Says N. Korea Has No Interest in Talks
    Last Updated: September 30, 2017 4:58 PM William Ide
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    U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, left, meeting with China's State Councilor Yang Jiechi at the Great Hall of the People, Saturday, Sept. 30, 2017, in Beijing, China.

    BEIJING —
    North Korea has shown no interest in pursuing talks on its nuclear and missile programs, the U.S. State Department said Saturday after Secretary of State Rex Tillerson acknowledged the United States was communicating directly with Pyongyang.

    "North Korean officials have shown no indication that they are interested in or are ready for talks regarding denuclearization," spokeswoman Heather Nauert said in a statement, "despite assurances that the United States is not interested in promoting the collapse of the current regime, pursuing regime change, accelerating reunification of the peninsula or mobilizing forces north of the DMZ [Demilitarized Zone]."


    Tillerson was in Beijing on Saturday, seeking China's cooperation on a "maximum pressure" campaign against the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

    Tillerson revealed the U.S. had opened a direct channel of communication with North Korea and was investigating whether the government of Kim Jong Un was interested in pursuing talks to give up its nuclear weapons.

    Speaking with a small group of journalists Saturday in Beijing after meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping and other officials, Tillerson said, "We are probing, so stay tuned. We talk to them ... directly through our own channels."

    When asked what they talk about, Tillerson said, "We ask: Would you like to talk?"

    The United States and North Korea typically speak to each other through other governments or former officials.

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    U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, left, meets with China's President Xi Jinping at the Great Hall of the People, Saturday, Sept. 30, 2017, in Beijing.
    Direct interaction

    The remarks from Tillerson were the clearest to date about how the two countries interact, and they came amid rising tensions and a war of words between them.

    Over the past few weeks, following North Korea’s sixth nuclear test — its most powerful to date — President Donald Trump has referred to the North's leader, Kim Jong Un, as “Rocket Man.” Trump also said at the U.N. on September 19 that the U.S. would “totally destroy” North Korea if it carried out an attack.

    Kim responded by calling Trump a “dotard” and North Korea’s U.N. ambassador said the U.S. would “pay dearly for his speech,” threatening to carry out an atmospheric nuclear test over the Pacific Ocean.

    Tillerson said Saturday, “Actually, what we need is to calm things down. I think they are well overheated right now. I think everyone would like for it to calm down.”

    He also added, "Obviously, it would help if North Korea would stop firing off missiles.”

    One focus of Tillerson’s whirlwind visit, which came just after Chinese and American officials met this week in Washington to host the Social and Culture Dialogue, was to discuss details of Trump’s visit to Asia and China in November.

    National Day

    China has a weeklong holiday starting Sunday, and shortly after that the ruling Communist Party will host high-level political meetings and a once-in-five-years leadership reshuffle. Tillerson said he made the trip to discuss North Korea and Trump’s trip before China got too busy with the party congress.

    There were concerns, however, that North Korea might use China’s National Day anniversary and holiday or the upcoming meetings as an opportunity to carry out more tests. When asked whether an atmospheric nuclear test would trigger a military response from the United States, and whether that would cross a red line, Tillerson said Trump would make that decision.

    Tillerson added, though, that as far as he knew, the president had not drawn any red lines.

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    President Donald Trump speaks to the National Association of Manufactures at the Mandarin Oriental hotel, Sept. 29, 2017, in Washington.
    Trump on Friday announced his forthcoming visit to Asia. In brief remarks to reporters Saturday, Chinese President Xi Jinping said he thought Trump's visit to his nation would be “special, wonderful and successful,” and important to U.S.-China relations.

    Implementing sanctions

    Earlier Saturday, Tillerson met with China's top diplomat, State Councilor Yang Jiechi, and Foreign Minister Wang Yi.

    The U.S. is conferring closely with Chinese officials on Beijing's commitment to curbing imports of North Korean coal, iron, iron ore, lead and lead ore, and seafood.

    If fully implemented, the ban on those items could substantially reduce North Korea’s revenues this year. North Korea earned $1.5 billion from the export of the items to China in 2016, according to the State Department.

    China is North Korea’s No. 1 trade partner. Washington says bringing China on board is key to cutting off Pyongyang’s ability to earn hard currency.

    Douglas Paal, director of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace’s Asia Program, said, however, that China’s influence over North Korea is limited.

    “The North is very reluctant to take instructions from China. It will exploit whatever it can get from China, but it doesn't look for political guidance from China. So this is a problem we [the U.S.] and South Korea are going to have to handle directly with North Korea as we go forward,” Paal told VOA.

    VOA State Department correspondent Nike Ching contributed to this report.

    ALSO

    US supercarrier to dock in Hong Kong before joint drills in shadow of North Korea crisis

    October 1, 2017
    http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...raft-carrier-watched-chinese-frigates-carries

    USS RONALD REAGAN navigates crowded South China Sea waters, Chinese warships trail

    October 1, 2017
    http://defencenews.in/article/USS-R...ina-Sea-waters,-Chinese-warships-trail-383863
     
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  2. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Hezbollah says Israel pushing region to war Reuters Staff
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ys-israel-pushing-region-to-war-idUSKCN1C6136
    October 1, 2017 / 4:30 AM / Updated 6 hours ago

    Iran, Iraq and Turkey 'co-ordinate' to take control of Kurdistan region’s borders
    And Tehran announces joint 'war games' with Iraqi forces near the Iran-Kurdish border
    September 30, 2017
    https://www.thenational.ae/world/me...ontrol-of-kurdistan-region-s-borders-1.662866

    Iran 'expects US to ditch nuclear deal'
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-expects-us-to-ditch-nuclear-deal/ar-AAsDQ8l?ocid=UE07DHP
    September 30, 2017
     
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  3. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro New Member

  4. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Luan, Thank you for posting this. I know some members don't like to "talk dates" but the decision may be announced on 10/12/17, hmmmm.

    I find some of the statements in the following article a bit outrageous...

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ifeline-to-stymie-regime-change-idUSKBN1C91X2
    Russia throws North Korea lifeline to stymie regime change
    Andrew Osborn October 4, 2017
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    FILE PHOTO: A guard walks along a platform past signs, which read "Russia" (L) and "DPRK"(Democratic People's Republic of Korea), at the border crossing between Russia and North Korea in the settlement of Tumangan, North Korea July 18, 2014. REUTERS/Yuri Maltsev/File Photo
    MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia is quietly boosting economic support for North Korea to try to stymie any U.S.-led push to oust Kim Jong Un as Moscow fears his fall would sap its regional clout and allow U.S. troops to deploy on Russia’s eastern border.

    Though Moscow wants to try to improve battered U.S.-Russia relations in the increasingly slim hope of relief from Western sanctions over Ukraine, it remains strongly opposed to what it sees as Washington’s meddling in other countries’ affairs, according to Russian diplomats and analysts familiar with the Kremlin’s thinking.

    Russia is already angry about a build-up of U.S.-led NATO forces on its western borders in Europe and does not want any replication on its Asian flank, the sources added.

    Yet while Russia has an interest in protecting North Korea, which started life as a Soviet satellite state, it is not giving Pyongyang a free pass: it backed tougher United Nations sanctions against North Korea over its nuclear tests last month.

    At the same time Moscow is playing a fraught double game, by quietly offering North Korea a slender lifeline to help insulate it from U.S.-led efforts to isolate it economically.

    A Russian company began routing North Korean internet traffic this month, giving Pyongyang a second connection with the outside world besides China.

    Bilateral trade more than doubled to $31.4 million in the first quarter of 2017, due mainly to what Moscow said was higher oil product exports, according to Russia’s ministry for the development of the Far East.

    At least eight North Korean ships that left Russia with fuel cargoes this year have returned home despite officially declaring other destinations, a ploy U.S. officials say is often used to undermine sanctions against Pyongyang.

    And Russia, which shares a short land border with North Korea, has also resisted U.S.-led efforts to repatriate tens of thousands of North Korean workers whose remittances help keep the country’s hard line leadership afloat.

    “The Kremlin really believes the North Korean leadership should get additional assurances and confidence that the United States is not in the regime change business,” Andrey Kortunov, head of the Russian International Affairs Council, a think-tank close to the Russian Foreign Ministry, told Reuters.

    “The prospect of regime change is a serious concern. The Kremlin understands that (U.S. President Donald) Trump is unpredictable. They felt more secure with Barack Obama that he would not take any action that would explode the situation, but with Trump they don’t know.”

    Trump, who mocks North Korean leader Kim Jong Un as a “rocket man” on a suicide mission, told the United Nations General Assembly last month he would “totally destroy” the country if necessary.

    He has also said Kim Jong Un and his foreign minister “won’t be around much longer” if they made good on a threat to develop a nuclear-tipped missile capable of reaching the United States.

    STRATEGIC BORDER
    To be sure, Beijing’s economic ties to Pyongyang still dwarf Moscow’s and China remains a more powerful player in the unfolding nuclear crisis. But while Beijing is cutting back trade as it toughens its line on its neighbor’s ballistic missile and nuclear program, Russia is increasing its support.

    People familiar with elements of Kremlin thinking say that is because Russia flatly opposes regime change in North Korea.

    Russian politicians have repeatedly accused the United States of plotting so-called color revolutions across the former Soviet Union and any U.S. talk of unseating any leader for whatever reason is politically toxic in Moscow.

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    North Korean leader Kim Jong Un visits a Farm No. 1116 of KPA Unit 810 in this September 29, 2017 photo released by North Korea's Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) in Pyongyang. KCNA/via REUTERS
    Russia’s joint military exercises with neighboring Belarus last month gamed a scenario where Russian forces put down a Western-backed attempt for part of Belarus to break away.

    With Russia due to hold a presidential election in March, politicians are again starting to fret about Western meddling.

    In 2011, President Vladimir Putin accused then U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton of trying to stir up unrest in Russia and he has made clear that he wants the United States to leave Kim Jong Un alone.

    While condemning Pyongyang for what he called provocative nuclear tests, Putin told a forum last month in the eastern Russian port of Vladivostok that he understood North Korea’s security concerns about the United States and South Korea.

    Vladivostok, a strategic port city of 600,000 people and headquarters to Russia’s Pacific Fleet, is only about 100 km (60 miles) from Russia’s border with North Korea.

    Russia would be fiercely opposed to any U.S. forces deploying nearby in a reunited Korea.

    “(The North Koreans) know exactly how the situation developed in Iraq,” Putin told the economic forum, saying Washington had used the false pretext that Baghdad had weapons of mass destruction to destroy the country and its leadership.

    “They know all that and see the possession of nuclear weapons and missile technology as their only form of self-defense. Do you think they’re going to give that up?”

    Analysts say Russia’s view is that North Korea’s transformation into a nuclear state, though incomplete, is permanent and irreversible and the best the West can hope for is for Pyongyang to freeze elements of its program.

    NOTHING PERSONAL
    Kortunov, the think-tank chief close to the Russian Foreign Ministry, said he did not think the Kremlin’s defense of Kim Jong Un was based on any personal affection or support for North Korea’s leadership, likening Moscow’s pragmatic backing to that it has given Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad.

    Moscow’s position was motivated by a belief the status quo made Russia a powerful geopolitical player in the crisis because of its close ties to Pyongyang, Kortunov said, just as Russia’s support for Assad has gifted it greater Middle East clout.

    He said Moscow knew it would lose regional leverage if Kim Jong Un fell, much as its Middle East influence was threatened when Islamist militants looked like they might overthrow Assad in 2015.

    “It’s a very delicate balancing act,” said Kortunov.

    “On the one hand, Russia doesn’t want to deviate from the line of its partners and mostly from China’s position on North Korea which is getting tougher. But on the other hand, politicians in Moscow understand that the current situation and level of interaction between Moscow and Pyongyang puts Russia in a league of its own compared to China.”

    If the United States were to remove Kim Jong Un by force, he said Russia could face a refugee and humanitarian crisis on its border, while the weapons and technology Pyongyang is developing could fall into even more dangerous non-state hands.

    So despite Russia giving lukewarm backing to tighter sanctions on Pyongyang, Putin wants to help its economy grow and is advocating bringing it into joint projects with other countries in the region.

    “We need to gradually integrate North Korea into regional cooperation,” Putin told the Vladivostok summit last month.

    ALSO

    North Korea Threatens to ‘Bring Nuclear Clouds’ to Japanese Archipelago
    October 4, 2017
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...ns-bring-nuclear-clouds-japanese-archipelago/

    AND

    Putin says military strike against North Korea not sure to succeed
    October 4, 2017
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...north-korea-not-sure-to-succeed-idUSKBN1C91PS
     
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  5. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ary-dinner/ar-AAsXRYC?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=UE07DHP
    Trump talks of 'calm before the storm' at military dinner
    Associated Press By JILL COLVIN October 6, 2017

    WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump delivered a foreboding message, telling reporters as he posed for photos with his senior military leaders that this might be "the calm before the storm."

    White House reporters were summoned suddenly Thursday evening and told the president had decided he wanted the press to document a dinner he was holding with the military leaders and their wives. Reporters were led hastily to the grand State Dining Room, where they walked into a scene of the president, his highest-ranking military aides and their wives posing for a group photo.

    The cameras clicked and they smiled. A joke was made about someone's face being tired. Live classical music played. Then, Trump gestured to the reporters in the room.

    "You guys know what this represents?" Trump asked. "Maybe it's the calm before the storm. Could be the calm, the calm before the storm."

    "What storm, Mr. President?" one reporter shouted. ISIS? North Korea? Iran?

    "You'll find out," the president said. He also praised those assembled for the photo, saying: "We have the world's great military people in this room, I will tell you that."

    Earlier in the evening, the president had lauded the group, including his defense secretary and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and said they would be discussing the most pressing military issues facing the country, including North Korea and Iran.

    Trump said "tremendous progress" had been made with respect to the Islamic State group, adding, "I guess the media's going to be finding out about that over the next short period of time."

    He also denounced Iran, saying the country should not be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons, and offered another stark warning to North Korea's Kim Jong Un.

    "We cannot allow this dictatorship to threaten our nation or allies with unimaginable loss of life," he said, vowing to "do what we must do to prevent that from happening and it will be done, if necessary. Believe me."

    He also said that, moving forward, he expects those in the room to provide him with "a broad range of military options, when needed, at a much faster pace."
     
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  6. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro New Member

  7. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    For Your Discernment...very sobering if true
    www.afterthewarning.com

    War ends in Disaster- October 3rd, 2017 Let us pray none of this happens.

    The following was submitted to us by an anonymous person. If given permission, I will provide this person's name in the coming days.

    At work first thing this morning before I started reading official reports or press articles, I had a brief vision regarding the results of a war with North Korea (DPRK). I did not perceive how the war started. I only saw the end result. I do not know why the vision occurred today. Just want to provide the observations and insights as objectively as possible. Over time it seems my intellect is less active during a vision and poses less questions as a vision unfolds. Perhaps this vision is just a view of a historical possibility and not a historical certainty. Regardless, we must pray with fervor and do penance to ensure it does not become a reality.

    China. Vision started with a view of the Chinese/DPRK border and the time was just after the defeat of the North Korean regime. China was reluctantly going to enter and occupy North Korea. Chinese leaders felt burdened with a mess created by the US, South Korea (ROK), and Japan. China had to enter DPRK because US, South Korean, and Japanese cities had been devastated by fire and those governments were focusing on domestic disaster recovery. The three nations were not economically or militarily capable of occupying or rebuilding DPRK. The whole mood in those three nations was mourning.

    I perceived China did not want to enter DPRK partially for environmental reasons and was going to do so with only a limited amount of troops. I sensed that much of DPRK was uninhabitable (dead), but I did not perceive the source of the contamination. In other words, I did not / not perceive that DPRK was contaminated by radioactive fallout. Nevertheless, it could very well be that China’s reluctance to enter DPRK was because it was extensively contaminated with nuclear fallout but I did not perceive it.

    South Korea. Next, I perceived South Korean leaders were both angry and mortified at the great fire that had caused so many casualties. They were angry at DPRK but DPRK had been extensively destroyed. Most of the leaders and much of the DPRK military had been destroyed. Only the impoverished people and low level soldiers remained who were not responsible for DPRK government decisions. It seemed that Seoul, ROK, had been devastated by fire and the ROK government was tending to its own people. I got the impression that while ROK leaders were concerned about DPRK civilians, aiding ROK civilians from the disaster on ROK soil took precedence over helping DPRK. Nonetheless, ROK send some aid to DPRK.

    Japan. I also perceived that Japanese leaders were ashamed and humiliated that a ‘second nuclear attack’ had taken place in Japan. Japanese leaders were ashamed because they could not prevent the deaths of their citizens as they had hoped to prevent. Apparently, the missile interceptors did not work as hoped or there were too many missiles to intercept. I was confused because it was not clear as to whether two DPRK nuclear strikes had occurred against Japan or whether there was only one nuclear strike, which was historically considered a ‘second nuclear attack’ because the first attacks occurred in 1945.

    Regarding the US. I perceived that the US Navy was very quiet about the outcome of the war. It seemed the missile defense systems had not worked as intended and Japanese city(ies) had been devastated by DPRK missile strikes. It seems there was a mix of DPRK nuclear and conventional missile attacks. I was not sure if any US ships were sunk by DPRK.

    At home in the USA, many cities were devastated, and people’s reactions ranged from numbness, disbelief, outrage, & fear. It seemed Vice President Pence was speaking for the government. I did not perceived what happened to President Trump. I saw VP Pence was speaking at a podium on behalf of a wounded nation. He indicated something to the effect that the US would be focusing inward on healing its people at home and that while it had hoped to still lead the world, it had to be humbly acknowledged that US was no longer capable of leading the world. VP Pence and US leaders were stunned and in disbelief that DPRK could & did wreak such havoc on the world. They were in disbelief that they had misjudged US / allied capabilities and that the US nation was hurt so badly. The overall feeling was woundedness; the US was overwhelmed with many civilian casualties and a humanitarian disaster.

    Russia. Russia had stayed out of the war and now found itself as a powerful nation along with China. China had inherited the mantle of global leadership and would reshape the globe to suit its interests.

    That was all perceived in a brief vision of the region in Asia and the USA.

    Later in the day while researching the news, I learned that today (Oct 3) DPRK threatened a nuclear attack against Japan for supporting more sanctions against DPRK, according to press reports. Perhaps DPRK launches surprise attacks against USA, ROK, and Japan possibly in revenge for the sanctions or to preempt an attack against DPRK.


     
  8. Dean

    Dean Archangels

    sounds like someone has been watching the news. i had a dream last night about volcanoes causing havoc. and i never remember my dreams, so it must be true right, going to happen.

    Of course people have flashes in their mind about this stuff, its all over the place, you cant help but to. Doesnt mean any of it will happen.
     
  9. AED

    AED Powers

    Sigh. I have apocalypse fatigue. Today was a lovely simple day. Mass and a Holy Hour afterward. Living in the present moment--where God is. Closest I can get to the Eternal in space and time. I am just going to pray another Rosary. God is control what will be will be.
     
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  10. Dean

    Dean Archangels

    We baptised #8 today, Chloe Elizabeth so yea, I am with you!
     

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  11. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Dean, Thank you for sharing this photo with us. You have a beautiful family, God bless all of you!
     
  12. AED

    AED Powers

    Lucky you!!! What a beautiful family!! Thanks for sharing. LOVE the name Chloe.
     
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  13. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    The alleged vision above is very similar to one given given to Jennifer as follows:

    Per the request of Jennifer's Spiritual Advisor the following messages is being reposted:
    www.wordsfromjesus.com
    5/22/12
    7:43 PM


    "My child, I say to My children that mankind relies too much upon himself and it is there that you become the victim of your own sinfulness. Heed to the Commandments My children for they are your entrance into the kingdom.

    I weep today My children but it is those who are failing to heed to My warnings that will weep tomorrow. The winds of spring will turn into the rising dust of summer as the world will begin to look more like a desert.

    Before mankind is able to change the calendar of this time you will have witnessed the financial collapse. It is only those who heed to My warnings that will be prepared. The North will attack the South as the two Koreas become at war with each other.

    Jerusalem will shake, America will fall and Russia will unite with China to become Dictators of the new world. I plead in warnings of love and mercy for I am Jesus and the hand of justice is soon to prevail".
     
  14. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Congratulations Dean!!!
    (y)(y)(y)
     
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  15. Shae

    Shae Angels

    Beautiful family Dean! Congratulations!!!
     
  16. Mary's child

    Mary's child Archangels

    May God bless you and your entire family...so beautiful, congrats.:)
     
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  17. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Dean,

    How wonderful! With such a marvelous crew I hope you have consecrated your home and family to the Two Hearts! God bless you all!:D

    Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!
     
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  18. Dean

    Dean Archangels

    Of course. but we are in the process of loosing one :( Prayers for sarah appreciated
     
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  19. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

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  20. Mary's child

    Mary's child Archangels

    Praying for Sarah, may she be enveloped within the arms of our heavenly mother Mary, let the grace of our Lord shine through her. May your family have strength to hold you during these days.
     
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