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Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Fatima, Oct 28, 2017.

  1. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Shocking! 84% of Catholics Reject that Satan is a Person and Hell Exists

    The Church is Ready to Capsize!

    By Fr. Daniel Doctor,

    The Roman Catholic Church, that is the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church is the Bride of Jesus Christ. This Church was established by Christ Himself to be the sole means of salvation for
    all of humanity. As Catholics, we know of no other way to salvation except through the sacramental system established by Christ and given to His Apostles.

    Why is the Catholic Church in Near Chaos and Confusion?
    Careful analysis of recent studies and polls taken among Catholics reveals that an overwhelming majority of U.S. Catholics simply do not believe in the Devil, or sin, or it’s logical consequences – eternal damnation in hell. As we can see, with any kind of an reasonable observation of that the outcome, is that the Church is in a state of near chaos and confusion over what She teaches and what She does not teach. The overriding reason for this is because bishops, the clergy, teachers and parents, have completely failed in their duties to transmit the Faith to each of the successive past four generations. And there are huge consequences for this failure.

    Pray for Our Church

    A lack of a belief in the Devil, sin, or hell makes it very awkward for all of us during the Easter Liturgy, when it comes to the renewing of baptismal promises. When the priest asks the people, “Do you reject Satan?” . . . “Who Father? We don’t believe in him anymore. Silly priest, asking us such stupid questions . . . believing in such archaic things . . . .”

    What most of us were not taught – is that the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Faith is an integrated belief system, where one teaching is dependent on every other teaching, creating a whole and concise theology. Rejection of the Devil as a personal evil, or sin, or even hell, does incredible theological damage to the whole of the Catholic Faith. In fact, like any teaching we like to change, reinterpret, or ignore, the entire faith is undermined and in some cases can even be destroyed.

    Consider for a moment, if there is no personal evil like the Devil, Satan, or Lucifer, then much of Catholicism simply disintegrates. Who was it exactly that St. Michael the Archangel fought against? Or is St. Michael merely symbolic as well? And if he’s symbolic, then are all angels also just symbols? If the Devil is not real, then who tempted our first parents in the garden, which caused the Fall? Who tempted Christ in the desert? Whose head will Mary, our Mother crush? Who did the Saints warns us against? And if all these things didn’t really happen, or will not happen, then why would we need a Savior?

    St. Teresa of Avila, the great Doctor of the Church said, “we need to focus on the things that Jesus saved us from.” But if sin and hell are not real, and devil and His fallen Angels are just symbols, then why do we need a Savior? A Savior, who saves us from what? Therefore, we rob the cross of Jesus Christ of all its meaning. And Jesus was simply a fool, a poor misguided individual who died on a cross for no good reason.

    Jesus Christ told us plainly in scriptures that Hell was created “for the devil and his angels.” But if these persons are symbolic, does that mean Hell is too? And if Hell is symbolic, why wouldn’t Heaven also be symbolic? The two are intimately related to each other, as we come to understand when we study “The Four Last Things.”

    The other consequence if there is no Hell, then there is no justice, and if there is no justice there is no God. This would also mean that if there is no justice, then humanity does not possess free will. For justice is the natural end of free will, that individuals at the end of their life are given what they deserve, their due.

    I Am Completely Dumbfounded
    I am, like many young priests today are, completely dumbfounded that it is possible that 4 out of every 5 Catholics in America, over 84%, reject the Church’s Dogmatic teaching that Satan is a personal evil being and that hell and sin exist. In fact, Catholics reject the belief in the Devil more than any other religious group in the country! In fact, belief in the Devil was almost as rare
    among Catholics as it was among those who had no religious affiliation or belief.

    For years now, I have been saying, and a lot of other priests too, that the number of authentic Catholics, real Catholics, who actually embrace all the Church’s teachings, is somewhere less than 10%
    of the roughly 70 million baptized U.S. Catholics. But the sad fact is, it is closer to 5%. Polls and surveys continue to reveal and confirm this fact more and more. When it comes down to it, there is an overwhelming number of Catholics in the U.S., including most of the bishops and priests, that are simply not Catholic anymore or at least not Catholic in any meaningful way.

    We are now in the fourth generation, going on the fifth, that has grow up in an environment within the Church of deconstruction or flat out denial of the authentic faith. The average Catholic, does
    not understand the integrity of the Church’s teachings, or even that Her teachings are interdependent on each other. And sadly, not too many Catholics are really saying a word about this terrible situation. Nor are many Catholics even declaring that these Dogmatic teachings are Divinely revealed Truths, not made up by men, but revealed by Jesus Christ Himself, while He was on earth.

    Nearly everyone has compromised with this evil, most certainly those who are bishops and priests. But the great Saints of our Catholic Faith forcefully taught us that we never compromise with
    evil or heresy. Most of the ordained simply will not state the Truths of the Catholic Church anymore because they know if they do, a large portion of the few remaining Catholics who are still coming to church will get up and leave, or stop donating.

    The vast majority of Catholics simply do not accept, believe, or practice the Faith anymore. The results of this can be clearly measured in the lack of priestly ordinations, the increasing number of
    priests leaving active ministry, the number of priests who have been exiled, punished, and persecuted for speaking the Truths of the Catholic Faith, the closing of parishes, schools, hospitals, and other Catholic institutions, forced collaboratives, the clustering of parishes, and the constant moving of priests. This is also seen in the burnout among the clergy because of the increased workload and the lack of any true support system from their Bishops or the people of God. But all of this that is occurring in the church today, is giving to those of us who pay attention a much more truthful picture of reality of the Catholic Church in America.
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  2. Fatima

    Fatima Powers


    I feel so sorry for the number of Catholic families that this present situation has caused. It means that all of us, most especially parents and priests, must become more pro-active, more aggressive in learning the true Catholic Faith and holding firm to it. And then teaching this authentic faith to the next generation as well as to the current generation that has lost their faith.

    I am here to tell you, and you can believe me or not, but there is a real active evil person, working every day to destroy us and our children. The same is true for so many young adults who are unprepared to counter or even believe in the diabolical, the true evil of this world, which has intensified greatly over these past few years. This evil has gone unchecked by Faithful Catholics as well as the Church’s hierarchy.

    We must, like the Saints, who have gone before us, learn the Catholic faith that we so casually say we believe in. We must stand up for the Doctrine She has wonderfully taught for over 2,000 years and practice it wholeheartedly. When we take the time to study and learn the true Faith, this is meant to energize our prayer life. Do we as Catholics even have a prayer life anymore? Are we developing a prayer Life? The relationship with God, that the Church asks us? This education in the Faith is meant to help us fall in love with the Catholic Church, Her teachings, and give us the strength and courage to oppose the Devil. I can assure you, as a Roman Catholic Priest, the Devil is absolutely real.

    For as St. Peter, our first Pope, taught us in his letters, “Stay sober and alert. Your opponent the devil is prowling like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, solid in your faith.”

    If you feel, like I and a whole bunch of other people do, that things are spinning out of control in our world, and most especially in the Church today, you’re right. The underlying reason is because the Church is in a state of near chaos and confusion. As Pope Benedict stated recently, “ready to capsize” this is all brought about by the Church’s chief enemy the Devil, and he is real. Be assured, we have not arrived at this place in history by accident. There is an intelligent evil being behind all of this work, bent on our destruction and the destruction of our Lord’s Catholic Church.

    We must rededicate ourselves, as good Catholics, to knowing and studying the Faith. This way, we can resist and fight with all our might against the evil that has plagued us for far too long. Part of the answer to this problem involves setting aside time to study the Faith, to be enraptured by its glories and mysteries, its blinding truth. This cannot happen if we don’t make the effort to learn our wonderful Faith, and then follow through with our good intentions.

    There is no way to fight against the Devil other than to love God more. And we cannot love what we do not know. Knowledge of the Faith is absolutely crucial for any spiritual growth, and we need to get back on our knees and beg God to deliver us from the sinful evil of this current generation, and the filth, greed, lust, and heresy that has entered our church.

    We are not alone in this fight. We have never been alone. God, His Holy Mother, the Angels, and all His Saints, the whole of Heaven, watches and encourages us to get involved in this fight for the
    salvation of souls, as well as for the liberty and exultation of Holy Mother the Church, our only known source of salvation. For as St. Thomas Becket, a martyr for the Faith so wisely taught us, as well as the testimony of so many Saints, without real effort no one ever wins the crown of everlasting life.
  3. sparrow

    sparrow Archangels

    Such a sad state of affairs... we must double down on our efforts to BE good stewards of the faith as it gets harder and harder for us all, we must persevere :(
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  4. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    We need more Padre Pio's.

    We need more saints.

    I would become one myself but have found it much too difficult.;)

    It is easy to say I am a Christian. The difficulty lies in proving it.(y)
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  5. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    So what is the state of those who do not believe in hell, a dogma of the faith? Canon law say's that clergy are excommunicated by the very fact that they reject dogma publicly. Can a priest who is defacto rejecting hell say a valid Mass? If 84% of laity no longer believe in hell or the devil, that leaves only 1 in 5 that are possibly in the state of sanctifying grace (depending on what other doctrines/dogma's the reject). This is really dire if the polls are even close to 84%. Again, in my world as a Midwesterner in the US, this is apparent to me.
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  6. sparrow

    sparrow Archangels

    I have been told that if you believe a Mass is valid (as in not knowing for sure) then the grace is availed to you. Some consolation under these circumstances...
  7. AED

    AED Powers

    Garabandal you are singing my song! I want to be a saint and I pray for it but I fail every single test. Blessedly God continues to test so patiently so lovingly so generously over and over again waiting for me to get it right. Every day I pray for final perseverance. As my father used to say “it ain’t easy McGee!” Who even knows where that expression came from. But—it ain’t easy.
  8. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    I look on amazement at the saints.

    I am reminded of the juiciest grapes crushed & pressed into the finest of wines.

    Of the beautiful pot molded & sculpted by the hands of the potter.

    Of the gleaming sword shaped to perfection by the blacksmith in the forge and by his hands through the anvil & hammer.

    Surely, saints are God's finest achievement; tried, forged, crushed and tested by all of life's trials and conformed by grace to the Divine Will.

    Saints are the crown jewels in all of creation.

    And even the saints sit back in awe of our Lady in Heaven:)
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  9. Adoremus

    Adoremus Archangels

    Beautiful images there. I am reminded of how we are called to be docile and obedient. The images you use here remind me of why that is - because docility and obedience are the dispositions that allow us to be moulded and shaped into the most exquisite of instruments. When we are not docile and obedient, we take matters into our own hands... and what do we end up with? A big ugly mess.
  10. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    The journey is not perfect. A saint is not a person who doesn't sin...a saint is someone who tries not to sin.
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  11. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I must say I prefer the saints who were the very greatest sinners myself.

    St Mary of Edessa is a wonderful example, a hermitess who became a prostitute , converted back and became a hermit again; wonderful woman:


    St. Mary of Edessa: A saint for those who have loved Jesus but have fallen away
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