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My Heart Will Triumph

Discussion in 'Books, movies, links, websites.' started by padraig, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I agree and I have often wondered what triggers the 'great moment' when it all comes collapsing down. Will the trigger be 1) war, 2) natural disaster, 3) economic collapse or 4) other? My bet is on war followed very rapidly be economic, social and governmental collapses and astronomical events.
     
  2. padraig

    padraig New Member

    The readings at Church at the moment for the End of the Year fittingly draw from the Apocalypse. One of the visionaries was asked about the ten secrets and she said she did not know why we asked as they are all contained in chapter 12 of Revelations. I thought this was wonderful. til lI treied to read it. But the Book of Revelations is itself sealed. We cannot open Chapter 12 or any other chapter unless permitted ot do so. Oh yes we can draw things but the exact meaning are secrets I beleive. We can guess that is all.

    However there are four horsemen of the Apocalypse. That in and of itself shows we wil be getting hit from all directions.

    But in as far as love for money has been our greatest downfall ,I would expect it to be , here in the West the first to be taken from us.

    We are very,very,very materialistic indeed.
     
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  3. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Another way is over sexual impurity .Our Lady mentioned at Fatima that is what brings most souls to hell, I would expect God to act very,very strongly to stop this.

    Perhaps a new disease?
     
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  4. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    No doubt in my mind this is why the 'west', especially the USA will be chastised so hard. It has been given so much and it has taken its gifts and brought to the rest of the world its thirst for riches, sex, pornography, abortion industries, contraception, materialism etc..... Yes it has also brought good, just like the evil veil of Freemasons or Shriner's have done with their children hospital's and all. But one cannot cover ones good with evil and think that God will overlook the evil.
     
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  5. Bella

    Bella Principalities

    I don't think so, myself. One of the priests in Medjugorje, Fra Slavko, was really clear to point out that those who pray are never afraid of the future. If we are praying constantly, we don't need to be fearful. The secrets will be a time of joy.

    I am really wary of those who prophesy a future of fear. I believe we are entering a time of joy and of an unprecendented outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
     
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  6. DonnaS

    DonnaS Guest

    Bella I agree, but we MUST be in a state of GRACE
     
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  7. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Sanctus, This question is directly for you but for anyone who has read the book, what is the explanation for the screaming sounds that are heard from time to time? Thank you.
     
  8. Sanctus

    Sanctus Guest

    At the apparitions? I think it is to do with some people who are possessed when they come to Medjugorje and when Our Lady appears it irritates the demons, I think, and that is why those noises can he heard. It is probably a sign of authenticity if anything. Mirjana said in her book that Our Lady told her that whenever She and Jesus come, so does Satan.
     
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  9. Bella

    Bella Principalities

    There have been many manifestations of the demonic in Medjugorje. Satan rages against the place. Whether people have been there or not, keep praying. Keep praying the rosary because this is winning souls all the time.

    The future is going to be a time of joy for those who pray. Prayer is just opening the heart and mind to God, remember. It is not about being a perfect person.
     
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  10. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Thank you. I only know a tiny bit about Medjugorje. Is a chastisement discussed at all? And if so, are any particulars given and what are they?
     
  11. Sanctus

    Sanctus Guest

    Hi Carol, I think the main message is that mankind has to return to God through prayer and fasting or else chastisement will occur. Our Lady is calling the world to conversion and that is why she is inviting so many people there. She said it is a "continuation of Fatima" and she said "what she started in Fatima she will finish in Medjugorje" and that "in the end her Immaculate Heart will triumph." There is a lot of information out there on Medjugorje websites explaining the messages. Unfortunately there are many out there who try to discredit the place too.
     
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  12. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Thank you again. Reflecting on your statement, "Personally, messages that say the living will envy the dead and things like that seem a bit discouraging. The Medjugorje messages seem more encouraging and hopeful about the future to some degree at least." One huge difference is that if we compare this apparition to say Fatima, Lourdes or Garabandal the seers stopped receiving messages at a young age. This is just my opinion of course but since the visionaries of Medjugorje continue to receive messages into adulthood they may be have in a sense grown into these serious messages better than a child would have understood. But I do remember that allow the Garabandal seers may have stated their "fear" of these future events they also stated that God only sends us things for our good (not an exact quote).
     
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  13. Sanctus

    Sanctus Guest

    It was said the when the events begin the unfold people will then only understand why she appeared in Medjugorje for so long. I can't remember exactly who said that though.But the visionaries seem to stress that conversion is something that shouldn't be postponed.
     
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  14. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    To clarify my above statement, I am not questioning why the BVM may have in fact been appearing there for so many years. I know that others have done so and at first I wondered the same but then I thought who am I to question what God does. What concerns me more is the content of any messages more than the number of them but even then unless there is something so apparently wrong with a message I can't tell for certain where the message is coming from. I really depend on the church to discern but I am glad that I am aware of the messages that we are waiting on approval for, unfortunately there are so many that I can't possibly catch up quickly - hence, that is why I appreciate this website.
    I believe that if the messages are from heaven and we have in fact entered the end of times, that is enough explanation for the numerous messages, no?
     
  15. Sanctus

    Sanctus Guest

    I think so Carol. The messages mainly seem to stress the importance of prayer and other things that are needed for these times. The main 5 messages are "prayer, fasting, mass, monthly confession and reading of the Bible."
     
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  16. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Of course those in the state of grace should trust and not fear. That is a given. The fact that approved and alleged prophecy all speak of grave chastisements coming is the result of the majority of mankind not living in God's grace and truth. Thus, the majority of the world will be in fear as it all unfolds. If prophecy, including Medjugorje, did not speak of chastisements then what would make this sinful world change its course and repent? Surely, not more of the same. Yes, we are headed for a period of peace, as Our Lady of Fatima foretold, but the road to this point will be nothing short of the greatest chastisements and purification the world has EVER seen and lived through. This comes from the messages of heaven sarting with Fatima, Garabandal and Akita.
     
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  17. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I finished the book nd loved every page of it. My impression is that Our LAdy has led Mirjana to become very holy indeed.

    She says a beautiful thing at the end of the book. She compares God to someone who is doing the Spring house cleaning. When the house is being cleaned from top to bottom everything is overturned and everything is upside down, everything looks a mess. But that is only so things can be cleaned from top to bottom. But when it is all over everything is put back togather again better than ever.

    She says tha tis what God has begun to do with the world. Spring cleaning.

    I thought this was a wonderful way of looking at things. :)

    Well off for my third night on the night shift. God goes there ahead of me and in me. I only hope He is not as tired as I am.:)

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