Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by Sam, Nov 2, 2016.
Yes, Inis. That is the Taize chant I was thinking of. Thank you.
You're welcome, Julia. I also love the Taizé chants. I went there three times in the 70s. Wonderful place.
Well for me it was that particular line that made my heart jump..the question ?? Jesus looks into your heart ?? sounds like the warning to me..
It's just the way Our heavenly Mother said the words ...As my Son will be... not my Son looks into your hearts
" As my son will be looking into your hearts." When you say it sounds like a warning, could it have something to do with the Year of Mercy ending and what will follow on from that ?
I thought the exact same thing and wondered if anyone else did, too! Future tense "will be" rather than present tense "looks" made me immediately think of the Warning!
" My Children, it is a time of VIGILANCE
IN THIS VIGIL I am calling you to PRAYER, LOVE and TRUST "
What strikes me is the words Mary chooses to use "IN THIS VIGIL"
The word ..."TRUST"... is the one that stands out for me.
Trust entails maintaining faith in the face of a present unknown or future known uncertainty.
How best to respond to uncertainty than with Christian PRAYER and LOVE.
Maybe I'm over analyzing it ...just trying to compute.
The possibility of the prophesied Warning was also my thought. But it is also important to remember Jesus does make the rounds so to speak more often than we might think.
I wonder how many people realise that at each Holy Mass; when the Priest says 'Let us lift up our hearts,' and we the congregation respond, 'We lift them up to the Lord.' At that moment all present are spiritually raised up in to the presence of God. There was an article by Mons. Charles Pope about this reality. It always makes me think we are spiritually, mystically raised to the Heavenly court in the presence of God with His Angels and Saints, and just as we are, embraced by our Heavenly Father. So regular confession has to be the only way to keep our robes clean, and suitably presentable at this most sacred moment. This most sacred moment includes the Holy, Holy, Holy, or Sanctus prayer. Just a thought.
It is interesting that Mary chooses to put a double emphasis on being vigilant. The word vigilance does not usually pertain to a set period of time, but the word vigil is defined as: an evening or night before...Now this mention of vigil was given on November 2. Prior to the release of the first message a week of fasting and prayer is expected (11/3-11/9). If November 2 was a vigil related to preparation for the release of the first message, then the message would be announced on 11/10/16, three days before its fulfillment on 11/13/16. And the 13th is Antonio's calculated date for the Warning.
I find the timing fascinating, but I must admit it is an attempt to see if the secrets of Medjugorje and Antonio's timetable intersect.
Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!
THE FASCINATING PROPHECIES THAT LED UP TO FAMOUS APPARITIONS
It's impossible to know how the Vatican will rule on it (abiding, as we will, by any such ruling), but there certainly are aspects about the famous apparition site of Medjugorje in Bosnia-Hercegovina that continue to intensely intrigue.
Previously, we have written about how the happenings there seemed to have been prophesied. This occurred a number of times. There was a famous Catholic charismatic priest, Emiliano Tardif, from Santo Domingo, who, in a "word of knowledge" at a conference, saw it coming. There was also a prediction, of sorts, from an Irish-American nun, Sister Briege McKenna. Those were immediately before the occurrences -- in fact, earlier the very same year and month: June, 1981.
Farther in the past, however, and with more detail, there was a villager named Mate Šego, born in 1901, died 1979, who, as we have reported, often spoke of a future time when, "My Gospa [Our Lady] will come -- blessed are they who remain in prayer.
"I'm telling you this now!" he was quoted as prophesying. "I will not see any of this but you, children, will! There will be lots of buildings not like houses we have now -- some of the buildings will be huge. Our folks will sell their land to foreigners who will build hotels. Medjugorje and the surrounding hills will be a holy place. There will be so many people on our Crnica you won't be able to sleep at night. They will come for my Gospa! Be kind and hospitable to those who come here and all will go well for you."
Šego was an illiterate man who was only half-listened to at the time. Obviously, aspects of what he foresaw came stunningly true: Once tobacco fields and houses made of rough-hewn stone, Medjugorje is now a pilgrimage city the size of Lourdes with religious shops, pensiones, and even hotels densely clustered around the church, many of them largely built with foreign money to provide for pilgrims whose numbers continue to swell (even as a Vatican commission studies the events; in September alone, 5,441 priests concelebrated Mass there, or 181 a day, distributing 300,500 Hosts).
And the Vatican? Father Mulligan relates the account of a meeting in Linz between Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and Medjugorje priest Father Slavko Barbarić at which time, referring to the apparitions, Cardinal Ratzinger told the Franciscan that "the Church does not want to repress anything that is bringing good spiritual fruits" (reported in Nasa Ognjista, 1991, number 10). Father Mulligan says that according to taxi drivers and others in the village the future Pope first visited the site incognito in 1985 as prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Among the alleged witnesses: an Irish pilgrim named Mary E. Smith who was with a friend named Anita Curtis and recalls that "we were sitting on the steps outside the sacristy.
"Cardinal Ratzinger walked right by us at half-a-meter's distance.
"He put his head down and to the left, toward the wall of the church, as if he did not want to be recognized by the general body of pilgrims. He was dressed in civilian clothes: a white, short-sleeved shirt open at the neck and a light gray pair of trousers. I also recognized his snow-white hair."
Seers [see Vicka Ivankovic, left, as young girl] have declined to comment on whether the future Pope has been there (there are reports of three visitations), but it is documented that the Vatican has regularly sent "observers."
Meanwhile, it was Cardinal Ratzinger who later sent away a local bishop from Mostar who had sought to reject the apparitions. It is also reported that in October 2009, Monsignor Edmond Farhat, former apostolic nuncio of Austria, went to Medjugorje with a group of 2,000 pilgrims and related that he had spoken to Pope Benedict about going and that the Pope was "delighted."
Still, no one knows what the current commission will recommend, and how the Vatican will react to that recommendation. (We will abide by whatever final decision the Church renders.) A final word on Mate Šego: he also prophesied, enigmatically, that one day there would be a lake in Medjugorje, where now, in summer dryness, there is cracked earth.
The newst message: (Use google.translate.com from italian please)
“Cari figli! Il mio cuore materno sta piangendo mentre guarda quello che fanno i miei figli. I peccati si moltiplicano. La purezza dell’anima diventa sempre meno importante. Le persone dimenticano mio Figlio e lo adorano sempre meno. I miei figli sono perseguitati. Perciò, figli miei, apostoli del mio amore, con l’anima e con il cuore chiamate mio Figlio. Lui avrà parole di luce per voi. Lui si presenta a voi e vi dà le parole dell’amore per trasformarle in atti di misericordia così che voi potrete diventare i testimoni della verità. Perciò, figli miei, non abbiate paura. Permettete a mio Figlio di vivere in voi. Lui vi userà per coloro che sono feriti e per convertire le anime perse. Perciò, miei figli, riprendete la preghiera del Rosario. Pregate con sentimenti di bontà, di sacrificio e di misericordia. Pregate non solo con le parole ma con le opere di misericordia. Pregate con amore per tutte le persone. Mio Figlio con il suo sacrificio ha esaltato l’amore, perciò vivete con Lui per poter avere la forza e la speranza. Per poter avere l’amore nella vita e che ci porta nella vita eterna. Io sono con voi e con il mio amore materno vi guiderò. Grazie.”
Our Lady Queen of Peace of Medjugorje’s December 2, 2016 Message
Given through Mirjana on the Day for Non-Believers
“Dear children, my motherly heart is crying as I am looking at what my children are doing. Sins are multiplying, the purity of soul is all the less important; my Son is being forgotten - honored all the less; and my children are being persecuted. That is why, you my children, apostles of my love, with soul and heart invoke the name of my Son. He will have the words of light for you. He manifests Himself to you, He breaks the bread with you and gives you the words of love so that you may transform them into merciful acts and, thus, be witnesses of truth. That is why, my children, do not be afraid. Permit my Son to be in you. He will make use of you to care for the wounded and to convert lost souls. Therefore, my children, return to the prayer of the Rosary. Pray it with feelings of goodness, sacrifice and mercy. Pray, not only with words, but with merciful acts. Pray with love for all people. My Son, by His sacrifice, exalted love. Therefore, live with Him so that you may have strength and hope; that you may have the love which is life and which leads to eternal life. Through God's love, I am also with you, and will lead you with motherly love. Thank you.”
Mirjana said that Our Lady was very sad.
Praise God for the Communion of Saints and for the gift of Our Mother:
Romans 8: 37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I am maybe too influenced by the expectation of the Warning, but this message speaks about the manifestation of Jesus.
Tell me more...
Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
LV, could you tell us about the Dechtice, Slovakia apparitions. Have you been to Dechtice? I read the local Bishop is investigation the happenings. They have gone on since the 1990's. What do you think of them? I copied and pasted this from catholic planet.
About the secrets, I asked Martin Gavenda:
“I can’t reveal you the secrets, but what I can tell you some background events.
Before the first secret occurs flood will precede. The events which are contained in the first secret, will happen three days before the second secret. I will not disclose the second secret by telling you that it includes a great warning. The third secret is about the great miracle, which the Virgin Mary promised. The content of the other secrets is seven punishments, which will come in case humanity will not convert at the warning. About the great warning I can only tell you this, people will like first see it and then they will experience it inside themselves. One will get understanding of his interior, of what he did bad, good, what he didn’t do and could have done….It will be a great grace from God – one will understand his inside and the truth. Before will come the Christian persecution…It will not be the end of the world, but the end of times.
That is why the Virgin Mary comes, so that she can prepare us for these events. That is why she persistently requests us to live the messages. She is teaching us to live in God’s presence, and continuous holy grace through the Blessed Sacrament. She teaches us to love everybody, even our enemies. Those who will live according to her indications have nothing to fear. It will be more difficult for those who do not keep God’s commandments. From us a lot is expected…I haven’t received the tenth secret yet.”
What else should we add? If we learn to live according to the Gospel to which Mary is guiding us according to her messages, which are explained in other words through the Gospel, then nothing else is left for us than a great joy, knowing that we live in a period when we shall be witness of the triumph of the Virgin Mary’s Immaculate heart. With the help of our prayers, fasts and sacrifices we can help our Queen of heaven to stamp on the serpent’s head. Let a great joy fill our hearts, because we shall experience a great grace from God and we shall be witnesses of a new era.
Published in the magazine AVE 7/98
I've searched and searched for details of these apparitions without success. There is very little available in English.
Do they still occur?
I was there, I know some of visionaries personally, I know priests who believe in it. It is very similar to Medjugorje... It was neither condemned nor approved. The local church and our bishop wait... My personal opinion? One of the seers said, that he has dream, that Jesus did not carry integral cross, but only vertical bar. This was only his vision/dream... Can it be connected with apparitions or not? I do not know and I still wait for the standpoint of our bishop. But seers are very good people and nothing else is in contradiction with Catholic teaching. But floods in our country... We have every year floods... Maybe the floods should be worldwide and they really are in last 13 months : floodlist.com
That is why, you my children, apostles of my love, with soul and heart invoke the name of my Son - Come o Lord Jesus, Jeshua Marana tha (Rev. 22). He will have the words of light for you - in illumination of conscience. He manifests Himself to you, He breaks the bread with you and gives you the words of love so that you may transform them into merciful acts and, thus, be witnesses of truth. That is why, my children, do not be afraid. Permit my Son to be in you. He will make use of you to care for the wounded and to convert lost souls.
Thank you for the information, LV. JAK, this is a website for the apparitions http://www.avemaria.sk/dechtice/?lang=en# It looks like Martin G. received a message November 15, 2016.
He receives a message every month. But the message you quoted is at least 5-7 years old.
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