I know all that. I am totally confused about your position. You don't believe that they are necessary to salvation, I agree. You don't believe in/take notice of any apparitions approved or not. Then I think that you are depriving yourself of enormous spiritual assistance especially in the cases of Fatima, Lourdes, Akita and Kibeho. I intend to leave this here. I don't know why you would subscribe to a forum where we are so interested in apparitions.