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MALTA, part II - important prophecy fulfilled!

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by BrianK, Jan 18, 2017.

  1. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    But NOW this prophecy finally makes complete sense!!! If it's legitimate then they were a bit premature in assuming it had ANYTHING to do with Cardinal Burke and/or the Order of Malta. It apparently has NOTHING to do with them (aside from Cardinal Burke's heroic and faithful defense of the 2000 year teaching of Catholicism. One could also argue that message 2952 concerns prior activity of the Order of Malta that allowed contraception distribution under its disgraced and suspended former chancellor and precipitated this current conflict with the Vatican.)

    It simply was a prophetic warning that the directives (orders) of the Malta bishops regarding AL would open a global floodgate of heresy.


    BREAKING: Malta’s bishops allow civilly remarried divorcees to receive Communion
    Update: In a move taken as a sign of approval, the Vatican's semi-official newspaper published the Maltese bishops' guidelines Friday morning in its print and online versions.

    MALTA, January 13, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – The bishops of Malta have given the green light to divorced and civilly remarried Catholics in their dioceses to receive Communion if they are “at peace with God.”

    The bishops say it might be “humanly impossible” to follow Church teaching and live chastely while civilly remarried, a requirement for receiving the Eucharist in this situation.

    The affirmation comes from the Bishops’ new document “Criteria for the Application of Chapter VIII of Amoris Laetitia,” in which they say their guidelines are “in line with the directions given by Pope Francis.”

    Maltese Archbishop Charles Scicluna
    Catholics are still awaiting a response from Pope Francis on the dubia submitted in November by four cardinals seeking clarification on ambiguous parts of Amoris Laetitia (AL) concerning marriage and reception of the Eucharist.

    The Maltese bishops stated in their document:

    If, as a result of the process of discernment, undertaken with “humility, discretion and love for the Church and her teaching, in a sincere search for God’s will and a desire to make a more perfect response to it” (AL 300), a separated or divorced person who is living in a new relationship manages, with an informed and enlightened conscience, to acknowledge and believe that he or she are at peace with God, he or she cannot be precluded from participating in the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist (see AL, notes 336 and 351).

    Regarding conjugal continence – abstinence from relations when in a civil or other irregular marital union –the bishops say that some couples may be able to do this, but, “On the other hand, there are complex situations where the choice of living “as brothers and sisters” becomes humanly impossible and give rise to greater harm (see AL, note 329)."

    Pope Saint John Paul II and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI both taught that Catholics receiving the Eucharist while living in non-matrimonial unions must abstain from sexual relations and live chastely. Asserting the impossibility of this precept conflicts directly with the previous pontiffs’ established teaching.

    The Maltese Bishops say the new guidelines are “aimed at accompanying people to an awareness of their life situation in the light of Jesus,” according to the Bishops’ website, a message also “relevant to the couples and families who find themselves in complex situations.”

    Those who advocate allowing the divorced and remarried to receive Communion frequently used the term “accompaniment” during the Ordinary Synod on the Family.

    Pope Francis’ exhortation has created division since before its release last April because its ambiguity in several sections allows bishops in various areas of the world the leeway to interpret the document differently.

    IMPORTANT: To respectfully express your support for the 4 cardinals' letter to Pope Francis asking for clarity on Amoris Laetitia, sign the petition. Click here.

    This has resulted in some bishops’ conferences acting to allow Holy Communion for Catholics living in objective sin, while others have persisted in upholding Church teaching.

    The confusion and damage of conflicting pastoral practice and resulting risk to Catholics’ salvation compelled Cardinals Raymond Burke, Walter Brandmüller, Carlo Caffarra and Joachim Meisner to submit the dubia to Pope Francis for clarification on Amoris Laetitia.

    The Malta Bishops cite AL heavily throughout their document, including passages that are the subject of the dubia submitted by the four cardinals.

    “By thinking that everything is black and white, we sometimes close off the way of grace and of growth, and discourage paths of sanctification which give glory to God,” (AL 305) they state in one instance.

    To justify the new policy, the Maltese bishops refer to the Three Kings fleeing Herod after seeing the infant Jesus in the stable.

    “Akin to the Magi, who took a different route (original emphasis) back home after meeting Jesus (see Mt 2, 12), these persons – at times after a strenuous and difficult journey – are able to meet Christ who offers them a future even when it is impossible for them to follow the same route as before,” the bishops stated. “Through accompaniment and honest discernment, God is able to open up new routes for these persons, even if their previous journey may have been one of “darkness”, marked with past mistakes or sad experiences of betrayal and abandonment.”

    In one U.S. diocese’s interpretation of AL, the judgment of whether a divorced and remarried person should receive the Eucharist depends upon each individual’s own sense of God’s call.

    The Diocese of San Diego, headed by Bishop Robert McElroy, stated in a document in November, “Many Catholics engaging in this process of discernment will conclude that God is calling them to return to full participation in the life of the Church and the Eucharist.”

    Cardinal Burke told The Remnant in an interview last month that he agreed with Ross Douthat of The New York Times in that if this interpretation of Pope Francis’ document becomes universal, “then the Church’s teaching on marriage is finished.”

    The Archdiocese of Malta and the Diocese of Gozo have directed their parishes to read a letter this Sunday at Mass explaining the new guidelines on interpreting Amoris Laetitia.
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  2. Do you think this all happened overnight? What have you and I and most of us on this forum been fighting for since the 1980's and before? Why has our Lady come?

    This has been going on for a LONG time. The scum is bubbling up to the surface. We knew it was there...we see it in one parish or another in every town in the world!!!

    FINALLY --its headline news! Whoo-hoo! And people are surprised??

    The lines are being drawn in the sand. Thank you God for a Pope who has opened the floodgates to MAKE PEOPLE GET THEIR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT, THEIR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND, THEIR REALITY CHECKED AND THEIR 'COME TO JESUS MOMENT' hopefully is today!

    I'll be the first one to say that A.L. needs to be clarified. BUT, it is also a catalyst for bait...don't you think?? As I said before, mouths that have been in the dark are now coming out---good and bad....Clarity truly comes from the Holy Spirit. These people, who abhor the true Church have lived in a world of secretly spreading diabolical disorientation. Now they are stripping off their clothes like a 1970's hippy acting like they have found their freedom. I pray for them. I truly do. They are lost souls. Hell bent on destruction of the Sacred and Holy. May God have mercy on their souls and may he enlighten them. (and if anyone has noticed, the 'sides' people have taken in the U.S. political arena are parallel to what is going on in the Church...hmm)

    Now that we have gone from A.E. and clarity, to poor Cardinal Burke being persecuted being sent to Malta to How dare the Pope insult Cardinal Burke, to The Pope Lied!!, to What do you mean they had a private conversation and the Pope told him to clean house...of...gulp...freemasons! to Wow! that Pope is right on target!

    We need to all quit looking at the headline news.

    Did you know that this year is :
    500 year Anniversary of Protestantism
    300 year Anniversary of Freemasonry
    100 year Anniversary of Fatima

    Don't we have enough on our plates without fighting about our Pope?? PRAY FOR OUR CLERGY!! 45% of the Churches in Iowa are closing...Soon enough, we will see it on our streets in our towns. God have mercy.
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  3. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    You're the one who posted that silly initial post in that earlier Malta thread, not me. This is simply a clarification of the errors you spread there.
  4. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    @Fatima do you know where all of Pedro's messages 2950-2952 can be read, not just these excerpts?
  5. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    An Urgent Appeal to Prayer: Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Archbishops Lenga and Peta

    That Pope Francis may confirm the unchanging praxis of the Church with regard to the truth of the indissolubility of marriage.

    Following the publication of the Apostolic Exhortation Amoris laetitia, in some particular churches there were published norms for its application and interpretations whereby the divorced who have attempted civil marriage with a new partner, notwithstanding the sacramental bond by which they are joined to their legitimate spouse, are admitted to the sacraments of Penance and the Eucharist without fulfilling the duty, established by God, of ceasing to violate the bond of their existing sacramental marriage.

    Cohabitation more uxorio with a person who is not one's legitimate spouse represents, at the same time, an offense to the Covenant of Salvation, of which sacramental marriage is a sign (cf. Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2384), and an offense to the nuptial character of the Eucharistic mystery itself. Pope Benedict XVI revealed such a correlation when he wrote: "The Eucharist inexhaustibly strengthens the indissoluble unity and love of every Christian marriage. By the power of the sacrament, the marriage bond is intrinsically linked to the Eucharistic unity of Christ the Bridegroom and his Bride, the Church (cf. Eph. 5:31-32)" (Apostolic Exhortation Sacramentum caritatis, 27).

    Pastors of the Church who tolerate or authorize, even in individual or exceptional cases, the reception of the sacrament of the Eucharist by the divorced and so-called "remarried,” without their being clothed in the "wedding garment," despite the fact that God himself has prescribed it in Sacred Scripture (cf. Matt. 22:11 and 1 Cor. 11:28-29) as the necessary requirement for worthy participation in the nuptial Eucharistic supper, such pastors are complicit in this way with a continual offense against the sacramental bond of marriage, the nuptial bond between Christ and the Church and the nuptial bond between Christ and the individual soul who receives his Eucharistic Body.

    Several particular Churches have issued or recommended pastoral guidelines with this or a similar formulation: "If then this choice [of living in continence] is difficult to practice for the stability of the couple, Amoris laetitia does not exclude the possibility of access to Penance and the Eucharist. That signifies something of an openness, as in the case where there is a moral certainty that the first marriage was null, but there are not the necessary proofs for demonstrating such in the judicial process. Therefore, there is no reason why the confessor, at a certain point, in his own conscience, after much prayer and reflection, should not assume the responsibility before God and the penitent asking that the sacraments be received in a discreet manner."

    The previously mentioned pastoral guidelines contradict the universal tradition of the Catholic Church, which by means of an uninterrupted Petrine Ministry of the Sovereign Pontiffs has always been faithfully kept, without any shadow of doubt or of ambiguity, either in its doctrine or its praxis, in that which concerns the indissolubility of marriage.

    The norms mentioned and pastoral guidelines contradict moreover in practice the following truths and doctrines that the Catholic Church has continually taught as being sure:

    • The observance of the Ten Commandments of God, and in particular the Sixth Commandment, binds every human person, without exception, always and in every situation. In this matter, one cannot admit individual or exceptional cases or speak of a fuller ideal. St Thomas Aquinas says: "The precepts of the Decalogue embody the intention of the legislator, that is God. Therefore, the precepts of the Decalogue permit no dispensation" (Summa theol. 1-2, q.100, a.8c).

    • The moral and practical demands, which derive from the Ten Commandments of God, and in particular from the indissolubility of marriage, are not simple norms or positive laws of the Church, but an expression of the holy will of God. Consequently, one cannot speak in this respect of the primacy of the person over the norm or the law, but one must rather speak of the primacy of the will of God over the will of the sinful human person, in such a way that this person is saved, by fulfilling the will of God with the help of his grace.

    • To believe in the indissolubility of marriage and to contradict it by one's own actions while at the same time considering oneself even being free from grave sin and calming one's conscience by trusting in God's mercy alone, represents a self-deception against which Tertullian, a witness to the faith and practice of the Church of the first centuries warned: "Some say that for God it is sufficient that one accepts his will in one's heart and soul, even if one's actions do not correspond to this: in this manner they think themselves able to sin while maintaining the integrity of the principle of faith and fear of God: in this way, it is absolutely the same as if one attempted to maintain the principle of chastity, while violating and breaking the holiness and integrity of the matrimonial bond" (Tertullian, De poenitentia 5,10).

    • The observance of the Commandments of God and in particular of the indissolubility of marriage cannot be presented as a fuller expression of an ideal towards which one should strive in accordance with the criterion of the good which is possible or achievable. It is rather the case of an obligation which God himself has unequivocally commanded, the non-observance of which, in accordance with his Word, carries the penalty of eternal damnation. To say to the faithful the contrary would seem to signify misleading them or encouraging them to disobey the will of God, and in such way endangering their eternal salvation.

    • God gives to every man assistance in the observance of his Commandments, when such a request is properly made, as the Church has infallibly taught: "God does not command that which is impossible, but in commanding he exhorts you to do that which you are able, and to ask for that which you cannot do, and so he assists you that you might be able to do it" (Council of Trent, session 6, chapter 11) and "and if someone says that even for the man who has been justified and established in grace the commandments of God are impossible to observe: let him be anathema" (Council of Trent, session 6, canon 18.) Following this infallible doctrine, St John Paul II taught: "Keeping God's law in particular situations can be difficult, extremely difficult, but it is never impossible. This is the constant teaching of the Church's tradition" (Encyclical Veritatis splendor, 102) and "All husbands and wives are called in marriage to holiness, and this lofty vocation is fulfilled to the extent that the human person is able to respond to God's command with serene confidence in God's grace and in his or her own will" (Apostolic Exhortation Familiaris consortio, 34).

    • The sexual act outside of a valid marriage, and in particular adultery, is always objectively gravely sinful and no circumstance and no reason can render it admissible or pleasing in the sight of God. St Thomas Aquinas says that the Sixth Commandment obliges even in the case where an act of adultery could save a country from tyranny (De Malo, q.15, a.1, ad. 5). St John Paul II taught this perennial truth of the Church: "The negative moral precepts, those prohibiting certain concrete actions or kinds of behaviour as intrinsically evil, do not allow for any legitimate exception. They do not leave room, in any morally acceptable way, for the "creativity" of any contrary determination whatsoever. Once the moral species of an action prohibited by a universal rule is concretely recognized, the only morally good act is that of obeying the moral law and of refraining from the action which it forbids" (Encyclical Veritatis splendor, 67).

    • The adulterous union of those who are civilly divorced and "remarried," "consolidated," as they say, over time and characterized by a so-called "proven fidelity" in the sin of adultery, cannot change the moral quality of their act of violation of the sacramental bond of marriage, that is, of their adultery, which remains always an intrinsically evil act. A person who has the true faith and a filial fear of God can never be "understanding" towards acts which are intrinsically evil, as are sexual acts outside of a valid marriage, since these acts are offensive to God.

    • The admission of the divorced and "remarried" to Holy Communion constitutes in practice an implicit dispensation from the observance of the Sixth Commandment. No ecclesiastical authority has the power to concede such an implicit dispensation in a single case, or in an exceptional or complex situation or with the goal of achieving a good end (as in example the education of the children born of an adulterous union) invoking for such a concession the principle of mercy, or the "via caritatis," or the maternal care of the Church or affirming not to want to impose many conditions to mercy. St Thomas Aquinas said: "In no circumstances should a person commit adultery (pro nulla enim utilitate debet aliquis adulterium committere)" (De Malo, q.15, a.1, ad. 5).

    • A norm which permits the violation of the Sixth Commandment of God and of the sacramental matrimonial bond only in a single case or in exceptional cases, presumably to avoid a general change to the canonical norm, nonetheless always signifies a contradiction of the truth and of the will of God. Consequently, it is psychologically out of place and theologically erroneous to speak in this case of a restrictive norm or of a lesser evil in contrast with the general norm.

  6. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member


    • A valid marriage of the baptized is a sacrament of the Church and of its nature has a public character. A subjective judgment of the conscience in relation to the invalidity of one's own marriage, in contrast to the corresponding definitive judgment of an ecclesiastical tribunal, cannot bring consequences for sacramental discipline, since the sacramental discipline always has a public character.

    • The Church, and specifically the minister of the sacrament of Penance, does not have the faculty to judge on the state of conscience of an individual member of the faithful or on the rectitude of the intention of the conscience, since "ecclesia de occultis non iudicat" (Council of Trent, session 24, chapter 1). The minister of the sacrament of Penance is consequently not the vicar or representative of the Holy Spirit, able to enter with His light in the innermost recesses of the conscience, since God has reserved such access to the conscience strictly to himself: "sacrarium in quo homo solus est cum Deo" (Vatican Council II, Gaudium et spes, 16). The confessor cannot arrogate to himself the responsibility before God and before the penitent, of implicitly dispensing him from the observance of the Sixth Commandment and of the indissolubility of the matrimonial bond by admitting him to Holy Communion. The Church does not have the faculty to derive consequences for the external forum of sacramental discipline on the basis of a presumed conviction of conscience of the invalidity of one’s own marriage in the internal forum.

    • A practice which permits to those who have a civil divorce, the so called "remarried," to receive the sacraments of Penance and the Eucharist, notwithstanding their intention to continue to violate the Sixth Commandment and their sacramental bond of matrimony in the future, would be contrary to Divine truth and alien to the perennial sense of the Catholic Church, to the proven custom, received and faithfully kept from the time of the Apostles and more recently confirmed in a sure manner by St John Paul II (cf. Apostolic Exhortation Familiaris consortio, 84) and by Pope Benedict XVI (cf Apostolic Exhortation Sacramentum caritatis, 29).

    • The practice mentioned would be for every rational and sensible person an evident rupture with the perennial and Apostolic practice of the Church and would therefore not represent a development in continuity. In the face of such a fact, no argument would be valid: contra factum non valet argumentum. Such a pastoral practice would be a counter-witness to the indissolubility of marriage and a kind of collaboration on the part of the Church in the propagation of the "plague of divorce," which the Vatican Council II warned against (cf. Gaudium et spes, 47).

    • The Church teaches by means of what she does, and she has to do what she teaches. With relation to the pastoral action concerning those in irregular unions, St John Paul II said: "The aim of pastoral action will be to make these people understand the need for consistency between their choice of life and the faith that they profess, and to try to do everything possible to induce them to regularize their situation in the light of Christian principle. While treating them with great charity and bringing them into the life of the respective communities, the pastors of the Church will regrettably not be able to admit them to the sacraments" (Apostolic Exhortation Familiaris consortio, 82).

    • An authentic accompaniment of persons who find themselves in an objective state of grave sin and on a corresponding journey of pastoral discernment cannot fail to announce to such people, in all charity, the complete will of God, in such a way that they repent wholeheartedly of their sinful actions of living more uxorio with a person who is not their legitimate spouse. At the same time, an authentic accompaniment and pastoral discernment must encourage them, with the help of God's grace, not to commit such acts in the future. The Apostles and the entire Church throughout two millennia have always announced to mankind the whole truth concerning the Sixth Commandment and the indissolubility of marriage, following the admonition of St Paul the Apostle: "I did not shrink from the responsibility of announcing to you the complete will of God" (Acts 20:27).

    • The pastoral praxis of the Church concerning Marriage and the sacrament of the Eucharist has such an importance and such decisive consequences for the faith and the life of the faithful, that the Church, in order to remain faithful to the revealed Word of God, must avoid in this matter any shadow of doubt and confusion. St John Paul II formulated this perennial truth of the Church thus: "With this reminder of the doctrine and the law of the church I wish to instill into everyone the lively sense of responsibility which must guide us when we deal with sacred things like the sacraments, which are not our property, or like consciences, which have a right not to be left in uncertainty and confusion. The sacraments and consciences, I repeat, are sacred, and both require that we serve them in truth. This is the reason for the Church's law" (Apostolic Exhortation Reconciliatio et Paenitentia, 33).

    Notwithstanding repeated declarations concerning the immutability of the teaching of the Church concerning divorce, several particular churches nowadays accept divorce in their sacramental practice, and the phenomenon is growing. Only the voice of the Supreme Pastor of the Church can definitively impede a situation where in the future, the Church of our time is described with the following expression: "All the world groaned and noticed with amazement that it has in practice accepted divorce" (ingenuit totus orbis et divortium in praxi se accepisse miratus est), evoking an analogous saying by which St Jerome described the Arian crisis.

    Given this very real danger and the widespread plague of divorce within the life of the Church, which is implicitly legitimized by the mentioned norms and applications of the Apostolic Exhortation Amoris laetitia; given that the aforementioned norms and guidelines from some particular churches as a result of today's global culture are in the public domain; given, furthermore, the ineffectiveness of numerous appeals made privately and in a discreet manner to Pope Francis both by many faithful and by some Shepherds of the Church, we are forced to make this urgent appeal to prayer. As successors of the Apostles, we are also moved by the obligation of raising our voices when the most sacred things of the Church and the matter of eternal salvation of souls are in question.

    May the following words, with which St John Paul II described the unjust attacks against the faithfulness of the Church’s Magisterium, be a light for all pastors of the Church in these difficult times and encourage them to act in an increasingly united manner: "The Church's Magisterium is often chided for being behind the times and closed to the promptings of the spirit of modern times, and for promoting a course of action which is harmful to humanity, and indeed to the Church herself. By obstinately holding to her own positions, it is said, the Church will end up losing popularity, and more and more believers will turn away from her” (Letter to families, Gratissimam sane, 12).

    Considering that the admission of the divorced and so-called "remarried" to the sacraments of Penance and the Eucharist, without requiring of them the obligation to live in continence, constitutes a danger for the faith and for the salvation of souls and furthermore constitutes an offense to the holy will of God; furthermore, taking into consideration that such pastoral practice can never be the expression of mercy, of the "via caritatis" or of the maternal sense of the Church towards souls that are sinning, we make with profound pastoral solicitude this urgent appeal to prayer that Pope Francis may revoke in an unequivocal manner the aforementioned pastoral guidelines which are already introduced in several particular churches. Such an act of the Visible Head of the Church would comfort the shepherds and the faithful of the Church, according to the mandate which Christ, the Supreme Shepherd of souls, has given to the Apostle Peter, and through him to all his successors: "Confirm your brethren!" (Luke 22:32).

    May the following words of a holy Pope and of St Catherine of Siena, a Doctor of the Church, be a light and a comfort for all in the Church of our days:

    "Error when not resisted, is accepted. Truth, which is not defended, is oppressed” (Pope St Felix III, +492). "Holy Father, God has elected you in the Church, so that you might be an instrument for the stamping out of heresy, the confounding of lies, the exaltation of the Truth, the dissipation of darkness and the manifestation of light" (St Catherine of Siena, +1380).

    When Pope Honorius I (625 - 638) adopted an ambiguous attitude towards the spreading of the new heresy of Monothelitism, Saint Sophronius, Patriarch of Jerusalem, sent a bishop from Palestine to Rome, saying to him the following words: "Go to the Apostolic See, where are the foundations of holy doctrine, and do not cease to pray till the Apostolic See condemn the new heresy.“ The condemnation occurred in 649 through the holy pope and martyr Martin I.

    We make this appeal to prayer conscious that our failure to do so would have been a serious omission. Christ, the Truth and the Supreme Shepherd, will judge us when He appears. We ask Him, with humility and confidence, to reward all the shepherds and all the sheep with the imperishable crown of glory (cf. 1 Pet. 5:4).

    In the spirit of faith and with filial and devout affection we raise our prayer for Pope Francis:

  7. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member


    "Oremus pro Pontifice nostro Francisco: Dominus conservet eum, et vivificet eum, et beatum faciat eum in terra, et non tradat eum in animam inimicorum eius. Tu es Petrus, et super hanc petram aedificabo Ecclesiam Meam, et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversus eam."

    As a concrete means we recommend to recite every day this ancient prayer of the Church or a part of the holy rosary in the intention that Pope Francis may revoke in an unequivocal manner those pastoral guidelines, which permit the divorced and so-called “remarried” to receive the sacraments of Penance and Eucharist without asking them to fulfil the obligation of a life in continence.

    18 January 2017, the ancient feast of the Chair of Saint Peter in Rome

    + Tomash Peta, Metropolitan Archbishop of the archdiocese of Saint Mary in Astana

    + Jan Pawel Lenga, Archbishop-Bishop emeritus of Karaganda

    + Athanasius Schneider, Auxiliary Bishop of the archdiocese of Saint Mary in Astana
  8. padraig

    padraig New Member

    'Thank you God for a Pope who has opened the floodgates'

    Really Marti? I mean REALLY? Jesus wanted a Pope who would open the floodgates to heresy? Please Marti be honest with yourself!!

    Open your eyes!!

    I mean REALLY?
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  9. Padraig, did you know that Malta was filled with Freemasons until today? Nope.Neither did I. Thank you pope Francis! That's all I am pointing out.
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  11. any name you wish

    any name you wish Principalities

    I wonder if he's that clever, sometimes if you play dumb your enemies will let their guards down and show what they really are in their pride.

    Or Francis is trying to destroy the Church. I honestly don't know which. Either way, God is doing something awesome with this.
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  12. I simply refuse to believe Francis is an anti -pope. Can he make mistakes? Yep. Blunders? Yep. But I will not go against him. It would be throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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  13. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member


    On Heretical Popes
    James V. Schall, S.J.


    Bellarmine and Suarez considered a de factopossibility of an heretical pope. They granted that the Church would have to depose him if he did not self-declare his heresy. They differed on the exact procedure that would be required. Basically, electors would de-designate the man chosen pope. But as such, they had no authority over the papal power itself, which is from God.

    In recent discussions of an heretical pope, the term sedevacante shows up. It means that, if a pope is heretical, his chair is automatically vacant by divine law. Some hold that anyone can so pronounce this vacancy, which would logically make every man his own pope. Bellarmine and Suarez thought the Church, in the persons of a General Council or the assembled Cardinals would have to declare the pope a heretic and depose him. They differed a bit on the exact procedure.

    Several writers imply that suddenly the institution, which seemed so solid over the centuries, appears shaky in its own order. “If the Church succumbs to modernity, will it still be a Church?” they wonder. The main issues, in the case of Francis, revolve around the indissolubility of marriage, the nature of the papacy itself, and the approval of gay life as normal. The first is a question of reason and revelation – Moses allowed divorce, Christ did not; the second of revelation; and the third, homosexuality, of reason.

    Issues such as the pope’s understanding of the economy or his reading of Islam as solely a religion of peace can be disputed. They are not so close to doctrinal issues. Though they seem to diverge at times, doctrine and compassion do not exclude each other.

    Heretical popes? The essence of Catholicism is that there be none. It is also its essence that, if necessary, the issue be faced squarely and judged fairly.
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  14. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    "The bishops say it might be “humanly impossible” to follow Church teaching and live chastely while civilly remarried, a requirement for receiving the Eucharist in this situation.":

    Do these Bishops believe in God? There seems only a humanist component to their thinking.

    Anyway, they ignore the reality that it is certainly “humanly impossible” to not receive the Eucharist, even if they disbelieve in the Grace of God.
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  15. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member


    Meltdown in Malta
    Fr. Gerald E. Murray

    Wednesday, January 18, 2017


    How should Maltese priests who hear confessions respond from this point on to divorced and remarried Catholics who seek absolution without a firm purpose of amendment? Are they to cooperate in what is plainly an act of non-repentance of adulterous behavior, as in the case of a man who tells the priest in confession that he plans to continue committing acts that he was taught were mortally sinful but now, thanks to this new document, he believes he is at peace with God?

    Are priests now to accept without question the “at peace with God” claim of divorced and remarried Catholics who come forward for Holy Communion in their parishes? Is there no harm and scandal given when publicly known behavior reprobated by God is treated as a matter of indifference by the Church – so long as the person engaging is such behavior has decided, against the plain words of Our Lord, that he is just fine with God. Or thanks to his bishops, he is now sure that God has no problem with his behavior, which he has judged to be good for himself in his concrete circumstances? Clearly, this is scandalous and destructive of faith and morals.

    Should Pope Francis answer the dubia of Cardinal Burke et al.? The Maltese Bishops’ document is undeniable evidence that in the absence of a papal reaffirmation of the Church’s constant discipline and teaching about marriage, divorce, adultery, and the reception of the sacraments the integrity of the Church’s teaching and mission will be undermined by her own confused shepherds.

    Unless the pope acts, we will witness a global fragmentation of what was once consistent, universal, faithful Catholic teaching.
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  16. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    That last sentence should read '...it is certainly not "humanly impossible" to not receive the Eucharist...'.

    My apologies.
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  17. Mario

    Mario Powers


    I agree with most of your post except for the lines I've colored in brown, and believe the request of Pope Francis to flushout the Masons in Malta should make us hesitate to pass judgment on the situation with the Knights of Malta. But to say Pope Francis purposely published a misleading encyclical to coax the neo-Modernists to come out in the open, is nonsensical to me. In my book, the Holy Spirit does not operate in such a fashion. If such was the intent of the Pope, it has now become more like the opening of Pandora's Box.:(

    Safe in the Barque of Peter!
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  18. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member


    There Will Be a Great Division – Schism?
    ***These messages are an excerpt from our Summer 2015 newsletter now available here
    Messages Given To Pedro Regis, Brazil

    The Division Of The Church – Schism
    March 22, 2007. Message 2814
    Dear Sons and Daughters, The Church will be shaken and there will be a great division.

    The Key
    March 31, 2007. Message 2818
    Dear Sons and Daughters, Men will try to break the key and there will be great confusion.

    February 6, 2008. Message 2953 – from Our Lady of Peace, Anguera.
    Dear Sons and Daughters, The adversary will find in the palace the key that will open the door to act in the world. With his cleverness, he will involve very astute men and women. His project will involve men and women of the scientific and religious world. Leaders of the whole world, both the famous and the simple, will be attracted to his poisonous project. The faithful will carry a heavy cross, but My Jesus will conquer, and mankind will encounter liberation….

    March 15, 2008. Message 2971 – from Our Lady of Peace.
    Dear Sons and Daughters, The key for the opponent to enter will be in the palace. His power will be like a great weapon of destruction. False ideologies will be embraced as true, and My poor children will experience the cross of slavery….

    The Church Of My Jesus Will Suffer A Great Betrayal
    February 2, 2008. Message 2951 – from Our Lady of Peace, Anguera.
    Dear Sons and Daughters, A kingdom will split, and another kingdom will arise and cause great confusion. A king will be taken from His throne and the people of God will lose. I am your humanity. The church of My Jesus will suffer a great betrayal. Pay attention and don’t get away from prayer….

    August 2, 2008. Message 3035 from Our Lady of Peace, Anguera, Bahia, Brazil.
    Dear Sons and Daughters, … Be faithful to the church. The church will carry a heavy cross because of a great betrayal. The doors will be open for enemies and the pain will be great for the faithful. The throne of Peter will be shaken….

    The Black Bird Will Land On The House Of God
    September 18, 2006. Message 2735
    Dear Sons and Daughters, The black bird will land on the house of God. Its power will cause destruction and death. (Editor’s Note: Bird means Cardinal.)

    When the King Is Dethroned A Great Battle Will Begin
    September 20, 2007. Message 2893 – from Our Lady.
    Dear Sons and Daughters, When the king is dethroned a great battle will begin. Humanity will live moments of great tribulations.

    When the Throne Falls There Will Be A Great Contempt For Dogmas
    January 8, 2008. Message 2940 – from Our Lady of Peace, Anguera.
    Dear Sons and Daughters, When the throne falls and it is no longer possible for the king to remain, there will be a great contempt for dogmas, and few will remain firm in the faith.

    An Order Will Come From Malta That Will Shake The Church
    February 1, 2008. Message 2950 – from Our Lady of Peace, Anguera.
    Dear Sons and Daughters, You live in the time of great spiritual tribulations. Bend your knees in prayer, for this is the only way that you will be able to bear the weight of difficulties. The Church will walk on difficult paths. It will confront much ingratitude from bad pastors and will drink the bitter cup of pain. An order will come from Malta that will shake the church and make the faithful suffer….

    Many Faithful Men And Women Won’t Know What Side To Be On
    July 8, 2008. Message 3020 from Our Lady of Peace, Anguera, Bahia, Brazil.
    Dear Sons and Daughters, … When the reign is divided, there will be great disorder among religious leaders. Many faithful men and women will wander aimlessly, full of doubts. They won´t know what side to be on. A wound will be opened in the heart of the Church….

    The One Who Could Have Been Peter Will Become Judas
    August 29, 2008. Message 3046 from Our Lady of Peace, Anguera, Bahia, Brazil.
    Dear Sons and Daughters, bend your knees in prayer for the Church of My Jesus. The one who could have been Peter will become Judas. He will open the doors for the enemy and will make men and women of faith suffer….

    September11, 2008. Message 3052 from Our Lady of Peace, Anguera, Bahia, Brazil.
    Dear Sons and Daughters, bend your knees in prayer for the Church. A religious leader will arise against the authority of The Pope and will cause great division in the Church. The darkness of apostasy will fall upon the Church of My Jesus….

    October 12, 2008. Message 3066 from Our Lady of Peace, in Boquim, Sergiipe, Brazil.
    Dear Sons and Daughters, … A great crisis will strike the Church of My Jesus. A religious leader will slip and there will be great confusion….

    December 19, 2009. Message 3255 from Our Lady of Peace, Anguera/ Bahia, Brazil.
    Dear Sons and Daughters, A man who seems to be good and just will come, but he will be a traitor, and lead mankind to suffering.

    Two Thrones, But Only On One Will Be The True Successor Of Peter
    December 23, 2008. Message 3098 from Our Lady of Peace, given in Maceió, Brazil.
    Dear Sons and Daughters, … The Church of My Jesus will carry a heavy cross. The day will come when there will be two thrones, but only on one will be the true successor of Peter. It will be a time of great spiritual confusion for the Church. Stay with the truth. Listen to what I say and remain firm in the faith….

    Read the rest of our Summer 2015 Newsletter here!
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  19. AED

    AED Powers

    It's hard not to make connections between these sayings and our current time. they are uncannily apt. There's actually comfort in this. Interesting that these warnings were issued several years before the actual fulfillment. In 2008 it would have been hard to see how any of this made sense. Now.....eerily accurate. Thanks for posting.
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  20. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    Read the above quotes in light of Soros' control of entire Vatican congregations and the Vatican's recent invitation to the most demonically effective promoter of population control and abortion of modern times:


    The Vatican-UN Alliance: Architects of Death and Doom
    Elizabeth Yore


    The jaw dropping invitation by Pope Francis’ Pontifical Academy of Social Science and Sciences, to Paul Ehrlich, the author of the bestseller, The Population Bomb should finally wake up Catholics. As shocking as the announcement is, it’s not surprising to Vatican observers. From the moment Bergoglio stepped out onto the loggia, this B ishop of Rome has opened wide the bronze doors of St. Peter’s to the globalists and their population control agenda.

    Not surprisingly, Peter Raven, Ehrlich’s collaborator on the Population Bomb, serves as an official member of the Pontifical Academy of Science. Paul Ehrlich hails as the ideological progenitor of the population control movement. His protégé, Jeffrey Sachs is featured as the uber Vatican expert on all things environmental and sustainable. Sachs, the UN bureaucrat and George Soros inner circle advisor, was provided a permanent perch at the Vatican while he spoke at 19 Vatican conferences during the first three years of the Francis Papacy.


    Welcome to the New World Order of the Vatican where the purveyors of panic and architects of death are celebrated and featured by the Vicar of Christ. For those who still naively claim that Francis is unaware of the activities and invitations to Sachs and Ehrlich, please note that Pope Francis shared an intimate speaker dais with Jeffrey Sachs, while personally thanking Sachs for his Vatican work, and the Pope personally hosting a private meeting with Sachs and UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon in his papal apartment. Hardly unaware.
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