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Discussion in 'The mystical and Paranormal' started by padraig, Jul 1, 2016.

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  1. Dawn2

    Dawn2 Principalities

    Brian, Bishop Barron is saying exactly what those defending Francis are saying. That mercy does not discount the sin. Pope Francis once said he sees the people he is aiming at as spiritually wounded on the battle field. He said you don't ask someone bleeding to death if he or she is taking his or her vitamins. You stop the bleeding first, then later you can teach them about vitamins and healthy lifestyle. In other words, reach out to sinners first in order to extend mercy, hopefully convert them and then teach them all the church's teachings. We will never convert sinners if we don't reach out to them in their immediate pain and need first.
     
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  2. Marie-Lou

    Marie-Lou Angels

    Yes FatimaPilgrim, let's pray for one another and Our Holy Father Pope Francis. And that wonderful prayer to St Michael the Archangel to protect us from the wickedness and snares of the devil!
     
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  3. FatimaPilgrim

    FatimaPilgrim Powers

    Jesus himself instructed us what to do and that is precisely what Pope Francis is doing. Today's Gospel reading, again no coincidences:


    Matthew 10:1-7

    Jesus summoned his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits to drive them out and to cure every disease and every illness. The names of the Twelve Apostles are these: first, Simon called Peter, and his brother Andrew; James, the son of Zebedee, and his brother John; Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James, the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddeus; Simon the Cananean, and Judas Iscariot who betrayed him. Jesus sent out these twelve after instructing them thus, “Do not go into pagan territory or enter a Samaritan town. Go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. As you go, make this proclamation: ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’”
     
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  4. JoMen

    JoMen New Member

    I can understand the concerns of the "anti-Pope" group; however, the more prudent approach probably would have been to simply point out the Pope's "erroneous" statements/views as they relate to Catholic teaching, and not to outright call him a heretic, since it boils down to respecting the office of the Holy See.

    We need to consider the issue of context whenever the Pope makes a statement. I think most folks forget that he is from Latin America. Coming from and having lived in a third world country myself, I can attest to the difficulties people find themselves in in these countries. Feeding oneself is a struggle, let alone going through the formalities, with all the associated costs, of church marriage. There's a tendency for us to impose our North American/European views on everything. Perhaps this Pope is reminding us that we also need to look at it from our poor brethren's view - not to condone, but to truly empathize.

    Could he have said these things more responsibly? I think so. But as long as Church doctrines are not in any way changed to bend to the Pope's "twisted" views, as we North Americans/Europeans see it, it's probably safe to continue to be obedient to the Pope and the Church. I think his statements are more of declarations of practicality as a result of his background than they are of heresy.
     
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  5. Mary Ann

    Mary Ann Guest

    The Church will always be a Christ centered Church and not a human-centered Church. Any attempt to make it into a human-centered Church will fail. The Church has always been Jesus's Mystical Body on earth. When the focus is taken away from Jesus and centered on man, the direction is wrong. Man is not to be adored, only God.
     
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    JoMen New Member

  7. Andy3

    Andy3 Powers Staff Member

    Welcome to Mother of God Forums - A place dedicated to the Mother of God. Please feel free to join us in prayer and sharing. Please Register to start posting.

    I'd say it is more than past the time now to replace the standard welcome to the forum. Show me where this is a place dedicated to the Mother of God now because I sure can't find it in the postings. I found this forum when I came back to the faith because it was the Mother of God forum (though I did have some concerns since it was not www.motherofgod.com but www.MOTHEofgod.com). Now I think of others like myself who were lost and wondering in the world looking for safe refuge and a place to learn and be with loving CHRISTIANS. Many were directed here but sadly if you come here now what must it look like to the newbies, the spiritual babes? It does not look like a safe place to rest your head now. Is there a sifting going on right now? You bet but it is sure hard to see what is the right place to be on. In some instances it is as bad as what the 40,000 different Protestant churches go through. You have some in prayer and insight before the Lord claiming their insight is one way and the other side saying theirs is correct. Kind of like one Protestant church claiming the Holy Spirit is guiding them one way while the other church across the street is saying the same and yet their messages are completely different. Only one way is the right way and from my point of view those good, God loving people who have been spiritually directed to leave this forum seem far more plausible and believable then those being directed to continue to cry out wolf wolf about the pope all the while saying it is defending the faith.

    The Pope is a man and the church is Divine. The Pope can error and say things from the heart that my be confusing and not be correct but he can't change the divine dogma of the church and he has not changed one thing. Cry wolf all you want but it does not change this fact. Go ahead and post again the one sentences in response to this post about "who am I to judge" or “I’ve seen a lot of fidelity in these cohabitations, and I am sure that this is a real marriage, they have the grace of a real marriage because of their fidelity..." and it still does not change anything about the dogma of the church. If anything it shows a complete one sided view and does not take into context any common sense of thinking and rationale thought especially when the rest of the interview was not quoted. I understand what the Pope is saying here and it makes complete sense to me but I guess I am being duped here by the evil one. God the father knows our hearts and its between Him and the couple to decide if grace is there or not. Just like the sinner who has truly repented of their sins and yet has not had the opportunity to go through the formal confession process. If they are hit by a bus on the way to the confessional do they go to hell? Of course not because God knows their heart. The good thief on the cross did not formally confess his sins to our knowledge because it was not written in the gospel if the conversation was any further and yet He was forgiven and went straight to heaven. He did not spend one second in purgatory because the Lord said Today! You will be with me in My kingdom.

    As you said Padraig, watch the mass and look for the subtle changes. I will and we all will and make the appropriate decision at that time but drawing your line in the sand now as you have does not seem to be prudent thought nor does it seem to be from heaven. Yes the Mother of God is weeping! She is weeping because her place of dedication on the web, her refuge has been all but destroyed and the loving, prayerful, peaceful people that once rested here are fleeing as fast as they can.

    I prayed a long time yesterday before the tabernacle about what I should do. Do I stay or go. Does this forum bring me peace and comfort or stress? Should I continue to work on removing myself from the world and focus more on Jesus and Mary and does this place help me to do so? I asked the Lord and submitted to Him and gave it to Him to decide. The answer to those questions are no it does not bring peace right now, yes I should continue to work on removing myself from the world. No this place currently does not help me to do so, but I absolutely know in my heart that I am supposed to stay and stay I will. It is not for me but for the Lord and Our Lady that I stay and post and be someone for one who was like me, lost in the wilderness looking for a place of refuge. This forum and its people were that place for me so I must give back and be that for another. I will not leave on my own and will keep my word of saying I will not leave but it is your forum Padraig so you can show me the door when/if you wish.
     
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  8. FatimaPilgrim

    FatimaPilgrim Powers

    "I understand what the Pope is saying here and it makes complete sense to me but I guess I am being duped here by the evil one."

    No, you are not the one being duped by the evil one, Andy. I stand together strongly with you shoulder to shoulder in the face of evil, eyes fixed on Jesus and Mary, strengthened by our Sacraments, feet firmly planted on the Rock of Peter and Rock of Truth :)

    St. Michael the Archangel,
    defend us in battle.
    Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
    May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
    and do thou,
    O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
    by the power of God,
    thrust into hell Satan,
    and all the evil spirits,
    who prowl about the world
    seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
     
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  9. picadillo

    picadillo Powers

    What exactly is modernism?

    Modernists and ambiguity


    "Modernists have a great distaste for clarity and so they often make use of orthodox Catholic terminology to distort the truth of things and to bolster their cause of deception in which it seems at times they have even deceived the greatest of intellectuals and the most devout of Catholics. It would thus be wrong to imagine that everything in the writing of the Modernists was unorthodox. Much of what they often write often sounds perfectly sound, with much ambiguity. A statement like "Our faith is based upon the Resurrection of Jesus Christ” could mean His physical (Historical) Resurrection as the Church teaches, or simply a symbolic story which was invented by the first Christians to promote faith in Christ who rose only in the mind of his believers. For this reason Pope Pius X warned " In their books one finds some things which might well be approved by a Catholic but on turning over the page one is confronted by other things which might well have been dictated by a rationalist. When they write history they make no mention of the divinity of Christ, but when they are in the pulpit they profess it clearly; again, when they are dealing with history they take no account of the Fathers and the Councils, but when they catechise the people, they cite them respectfully" - Pascendi

    Although I have previously asserted that this Heresy of Modernism has gained a footing in the Catholic Church, I do not affirm on this account that they (the Modernist hierarchy) have made a clear list of propositions that they have explicitly affirmed. Modernism does not operate in this way; it's technique is infiltration "without order and systematic arrangement, in a scattered and disjointed manner" wrote Pope Pius X (Pascendi).

    On this same score Fr. Amerio Romano in his book “Iota Unum”, points out the various changes in the language used by the Modernist (Neo-Modernist) theologians since the second Vatican Council which had opened the door to the modernist revolution in the Church.

    A modernist will often recite the articles of the Creed using the same words as the Church prescribes but interprets them with his own lights or according to the current progressive understanding thus giving a new meaning the ancient terms."




    Sound familiar? This is the essence of the St. Gallen's group. This answers the late saintly Francis Cardianl George's first question to Pope Francis: Who is influencing you in the vatican (paraphrase)? His other brilliant questions:

    The question is raised, why doesn’t he himself clarify these things? Why is it necessary that apologists have to bear that burden of trying to put the best possible face on it? Does he not realize the consequences of some of his statements, or even some of his actions? Does he not realize the repercussions? Perhaps he doesn’t. I don’t know whether he’s conscious of all the consequences of some of the things he’s said and done that raise these doubts in people’s minds.
     
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  10. picadillo

    picadillo Powers

    Communion For All, Even For Protestants
    In addition to the divorced and remarried, for Luther’s followers as well there are those who are giving the go-ahead for the Eucharist. Here is how “La Civiltà Cattolica” interprets the pope’s enigmatic words on intercommunion

    by Sandro Magister

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    ROME, July 1, 2016 – In his way, after encouraging communion for the divorced and remarried, in that it “is not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak,” Pope Francis is now also encouraging Protestants and Catholics to receive communion together at their respective Masses.

    He is doing so, as always, in a discursive, allusive way, not definitional, leaving the ultimate decision to the individual conscience.

    Still emblematic is the answer he gave on November 15, 2015, on a visit to the Christuskirche, the church of the Lutherans in Rome (see photo), to a Protestant who asked him if she could receive communion together with her Catholic husband.

    The answer from Francis was a stupefying pinwheel of yes, no, I don’t know, you figure it out. Which it is indispensable to reread in its entirety, in the official transcription:

    “Thank you, Ma’am. Regarding the question on sharing the Lord’s Supper, it is not easy for me to answer you, especially in front of a theologian like Cardinal Kasper! I’m afraid! I think the Lord gave us [the answer] when he gave us this command: 'Do this in memory of me'. And when we share in, remember and emulate the Lord’s Supper, we do the same thing that the Lord Jesus did. And the Lord’s Supper will be, the final banquet will there be in the New Jerusalem, but this will be the last. Instead on the journey, I wonder – and I don’t know how to answer, but I am making your question my own – I ask myself: “Is sharing the Lord’s Supper the end of a journey or is it the viaticum for walking together? I leave the question to the theologians, to those who understand. It is true that in a certain sense sharing is saying that there are no differences between us, that we have the same doctrine – I underline the word, a difficult word to understand – but I ask myself: don’t we have the same Baptism? And if we have the same Baptism, we have to walk together. You are a witness to an even profound journey because it is a conjugal journey, truly a family journey, of human love and of shared faith. We have the same Baptism. When you feel you are a sinner – I too feel I am quite a sinner – when your husband feels he is a sinner, you go before the Lord and ask forgiveness; your husband does the same and goes to the priest and requests absolution. They are ways of keeping Baptism alive. When you pray together, that Baptism grows, it becomes strong; when you teach your children who Jesus is, why Jesus came, what Jesus did, you do the same, whether in Lutheran or Catholic terms, but it is the same. The question: and the Supper? There are questions to which only if one is honest with oneself and with the few theological lights that I have, one must respond the same, you see. 'This is my Body, this is my Blood', said the Lord, 'do this in memory of me', and this is a viaticum which helps us to journey. I had a great friendship with an Episcopalian bishop, 48 years old, married with two children, and he had this concern: a Catholic wife, Catholic children, and he a bishop. He accompanied his wife and children to Mass on Sundays and then went to worship with his community. It was a step of participating in the Lord’s Supper. Then he passed on, the Lord called him, a just man. I respond to your question only with a question: how can I participate with my husband, so that the Lord’s Supper may accompany me on my path? It is a problem to which each person must respond. A pastor friend of mine said to me: 'We believe that the Lord is present there. He is present. You believe that the Lord is present. So what is the difference?' – 'Well, there are explanations, interpretations…'. Life is greater than explanations and interpretations. Always refer to Baptism: “One faith, one baptism, one Lord”, as Paul tells us, and take the outcome from there. I would never dare give permission to do this because I do not have the authority. One Baptism, one Lord, one faith. Speak with the Lord and go forward. I do not dare say more.”

    It is impossible to gather a clear indication from these words. Of course, however, by speaking in such a “liquid” form Pope Francis has brought everything into question again, concerning intercommunion between Catholics and Protestants. He has made any position thinkable, and therefore practicable.

    In fact, in the Lutheran camp the pope’s words were immediately taken as a go-ahead for intercommunion.

    But now in the Catholic camp as well an analogous position statement has come, which presents itself above all as the authentic interpretation of the words Francis said at the Lutheran church of Rome.

    Acting as the pope’s authorized interpreter is the Jesuit Giancarlo Pani, in the latest issue of “La Civiltà Cattolica,” the magazine directed by Fr. Antonio Spadaro that has now become the official voice of Casa Santa Marta, meaning of Jorge Mario Bergoglio himself, who reviews and adjusts the articles that most interest him before their publication.

    Taking his cue from a recent joint declaration of the Catholic episcopal conference of the United States and of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Fr. Pani dedicates the entire second part of his article to the exegesis of the words of Francis at the Christuskirche in Rome, carefully selected from among those most useful for the purpose.

    And he draws the conclusion from them that they marked “a change” and “a progress in pastoral practice,” analogous to the one produced by “Amoris Laetitia” for the divorced and remarried.

    They are only “small steps forward,” Pani writes in the final paragraph. But the direction is set.

    And it is the same one in which Francis moves when he declares - as he did during the return flight from Armenia - that Luther “was a reformer” with good intentions and his reform was “medicine for the Church,” skipping over the essential dogmatic divergences between Protestants and Catholics concerning the sacrament of the Eucharist, because - in the words of Francis at the Christuskirche in Rome - “life is greater than explanations and interpretations.”

    So here are the main passages of the article by Fr. Pani in “La Civiltà Cattolica.”

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    On intercommunion between Catholics and Protestants

    by Giancarlo Pani, S.J.


    On October 31, 2015, the feast of the Reformation, the Catholic episcopal conference of the United States and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America published a joint declaration that summarizes the history of ecumenism over the past half century. [. . .] The text was released after the closing of the synod of bishops on the family and in view of the shared commemoration of the 500th anniversary of the Reformation in 2017. [. . .]

    The document concludes with a significant positive proposal: “The possibility of occasional admission of members of our churches to Eucharistic communion with the other side (communicatio in sacris) could be offered more clearly and regulated more compassionately.” [. . .]


    The visit of Pope Francis to the Christuskirche of Rome


    Two weeks after the promulgation of the declaration, last November 15, Pope Francis visited the Christuskirche, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Rome. [. . .]

    During the meeting, there was also a conversation between the pope and the faithful. Among the various contributions was that of a Lutheran lady, married to a Catholic, who asked what could be done so that she could participate together with her husband in Eucharistic communion. And she specified: “We have lived together happily for many years, sharing joys and pains. And therefore we are very much hurt by being divided in faith and not being able to participate together in the Lord’s Supper.”

    Responding, Pope Francis posed a question: “Is sharing the Lord’s Supper the end of a journey or is it the viaticum for walking together?”



    The full article:

    http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1351332?eng=y&refresh_ce
     
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  11. JoMen

    JoMen New Member

    Although I don't necessarily agree with the anti-Pope views, I think some of the pro-Pope responses have been melodramatic. Threatening to leave the forum or bashing the anti-Pope group is uncalled for and shows a certain level of immaturity. I sincerely believe the anti-Pope folks feel deep in their hearts that they're doing God's work by pointing out these supposed errors. Whether or not these are divinely inspired is between them and God, but we must still see God's work in them even if we disagree.

    Romans 8:28 - For those who love God all things work together for good.

    I think it's safe to assume that most, if not all, in this forum love God. Regardless of which side proves to be "correct," in the end everything will happen according to God's plan. Even if you end up on the "losing" side, thank God for the grace of giving you an opportunity to exercise humility.
     
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  12. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Not sure if this fits with Holy Scriptures. The Church may not always be Christ centred.

    In the book of Revelation God says to the lukewarm Church that has lost its zeal for God

    So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
     
  13. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Andy3 said: This forum and its people were that place for me so I must give back and be that for another.

    It's hard to believe that it has been almost nine years that I've been part of this forum. The reason I stay is because what I have received is more than anything I have given. I give much credit to Padraig for that. Thank you Mary and thank you Padraig. However, this thread has dovetailed into what one may call an argument. Communicating on a forum is difficult even among friends: no voice inflection, no body language, no smiles. And we love Jesus. We love Mary. We love the Church. We love the Pope. I truly believe that the positions taken have come from well-intentioned hearts.

    But it can be so frustrating at times! I think to myself, "Why can't these other members see what is so obvious?" And so I go to the web to pull out more ammunition in order to convince others. :sneaky:And then misunderstandings can hurt feelings; our emotions get involved and things go downhill from there. If we were at one another's homes, at least there would be time to bring out some drinks and munchies!:love: :LOL:One member was humble enough to realize he misunderstood me and, in effect, apologized.:) But in the "heat of battle" it is often hard to shift gears.

    And just like when good friends share, the tone in the last few pages have begun to shift as we have begun not to gather more ammunition, but to express our hearts. Have you seen it? Just a few examples:

    From Brian, post 325:
    So mercy is not a bland kindness. It is not mere flattery that pretends sin does not exist or matter. Beware of fake, flattering mercy. True mercy says, “Sin is awful. Let’s get out of here and go to a far better place.” Matthew got up and followed Jesus. How about us?

    Brian seeks true mercy.

    From Little Me, post 322: He who stepped into the breach and fought and conquered sin and death for us, the perfect act of chivalry, borne of perfect virility, borne of perfect, infinite love, gives us the chance to DEFEND HIM, to confront and combat His enemies.

    Little Me tries to speak out of unspeakable love for Christ.

    From Potatosack, post 303: We are supposed to be in our lady's living room, and it does not feel that way.

    Potatosack speaks from the heart of our Mother.

    Finally, from our host, Paidrag, post 308: We know at Fatima that Our Lady promised us that, 'In the End my Immcaulate Heart will Triumph. So we know that we as a Church and individuals are moving towards that end point.

    What on Earth would make us think that that journey would be made without going through moments of Kairos, of crisis, of tmes when we are picked up, shook all up and set right down again?

    This is such a moment. This is Kairos. A time of great opportunity for growth.

    Padraig reminds us that we are in the most difficult of times, but that Heaven is in charge.

    Rm 12: 4 For as in one body we have many members, and all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another... 9 Let love be genuine; hate what is evil, hold fast to what is good; 10 love one another with brotherly affection; outdo one another in showing honor. 11 Never flag in zeal, be aglow with the Spirit, serve the Lord. 12 Rejoice in your hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. 13 Contribute to the needs of the saints, practice hospitality. 14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. 16 Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly; never be conceited. 17 Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all. 18 If possible, so far as it depends upon you, live peaceably with all.

     
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  14. Mary Ann

    Mary Ann Guest

    I guess I was timidly trying to say that it is my perception that Pope Francis is indicating by words and actions that he would like us to focus on man. But, we know that Jesus founded the Church to focus on God. I have watched when Pope Francis is interacting with people. He looks absolutely thrilled to be around people. There is no doubt that he shows love, compassion, caring, kindness and every bit of charity to all kinds of different people. On these occasions he never wears his glasses and so the expression on his face is radiant. Contrast this to a Papal mass. I have watched several and maybe a dozen or so full Papal masses of Pope Francis. He wears his glasses, he looks rather severe when he says the words to the mass and when he elevates the Sacred Host and Precious Blood. I have seen the expressions on his face during the mass. He look rather bored and kind of going through the motions. During the eve of Corpus Christi when the procession usually goes through Rome, Popes usually stay with the blessed sacrament, but the last couple of years, Pope Francis has preceded the Blessed Sacrament and gone on ahead to where they say the Benediction prayers. Why? I wish I didn't even worry about these nagging feelings I have about Pope Francis that he wants to steer the Church away from Jesus to focus on people, but that is what I think. If the Catholic Church becomes man-centered instead of God-centered, where will the Living God be worshipped?
     
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  15. IXOYE4me

    IXOYE4me Angels

    Christian

    One Baptism
    One Lord
    One Faith

    We Christians serve a Mighty God!
    In His way and time we will all be one just as our Lord Jesus prayed.

    John 17

    Jesus Prays for His Disciples
    17 After Jesus had spoken these words, he looked up to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son so that the Son may glorify you, 2 since you have given him authority over all people,[a] to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 4 I glorified you on earth by finishing the work that you gave me to do. 5 So now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had in your presence before the world existed.

    6 “I have made your name known to those whom you gave me from the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me is from you; 8 for the words that you gave to me I have given to them, and they have received them and know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. 9 I am asking on their behalf; I am not asking on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those whom you gave me, because they are yours. 10 All mine are yours, and yours are mine; and I have been glorified in them. 11 And now I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one, as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I protected them in your name that you have given me. I guarded them, and not one of them was lost except the one destined to be lost,[c] so that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I am coming to you, and I speak these things in the world so that they may have my joy made complete in themselves.[d] 14 I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world. 15 I am not asking you to take them out of the world, but I ask you to protect them from the evil one.[e] 16 They do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you have sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, so that they also may be sanctified in truth.

    20 “I ask not only on behalf of these, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us,[f] so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given them, so that they may be one, as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become completely one, so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. 24 Father, I desire that those also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory, which you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world.

    25 “Righteous Father, the world does not know you, but I know you; and these know that you have sent me. 26 I made your name known to them, and I will make it known, so that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.

    Jesus, I trust in you
     
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  16. Dawn2

    Dawn2 Principalities

    What if no one ever reached out to this guy with a bit of mercy? What if the priest who first talked to him, or the little boy who had the courage to tell a dangerous and hardened criminal, deep in sin, "Jesus loves you", never reached out to a sinner? Are the priest and the child modernist heretics?

     
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  17. Sanctus

    Sanctus Guest

    We probably need to stick together and ride this out. It seems that structures which have been standing are being divided and are being brought apart, like the Brexit and the EU recently and now on the Forum. Hopefully we can achieve unity through prayer and ride out whatever confusions and so forth we are experiencing, and trust that God is in charge.
     
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  18. picadillo

    picadillo Powers

    More from Msgr Charles Pope:

    Please, Holy Father: Enough of these ad hoc, off-the-cuff, impromptu sessions, whether at thirty thousand feet or at ground level. Much harm through confusion has been caused by these latest remarks on marriage, cohabitation, baptism, confession, and pastoral practice. Simply cleaning the record in the official transcript is not enough; this is an era of instant reportage and lots of recording devices, tweets, and Instagrams.

    Just this priest’s perspective. But I can assure you, dear reader, that the impact hits priests hard, and I cannot deny a certain weariness and discouragement at this point. I realize that such remarks of the Pope are not doctrinal, but just try and tell that to gleeful dissenters and the morally confused or misled in this world.

    Let us pray for our Holy Father and for the universal Church.



    Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/msgr...out-recent-remarks-by-the-pope/#ixzz4DegMORBC
     
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  19. Marie-Lou

    Marie-Lou Angels

    Yes Andy I too wondered why it was mothe as opposed to mother of God. This bothered me and when I was joining had I read the tone of this thread I wouldnt have bothered. However I did join and can see the wonderful support this thread has to offer. Can anyone enlighten me as to why it isn't mother?
     
  20. padraig

    padraig New Member

    The name, 'Mother of God' was already taken as of course you would expect, so I was offered a alternative by Hostgator , 'Motheofgod'

    I can also confirm I have not a cloven foot or horns and can post pictures if asked.:D:D;)
     
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