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Historical Evidence.

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  1. padraig

    padraig New Member

    http://www.christianevidence.net/2017/12/historical-evidence-darkness-earthquake.html

    Is there historical evidence for the darkness & earthquake at the crucifixion?
    Joel December 09, 2017 Common Questions Answered

    "And when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour." (Mark 15:33) During the last three hours of Jesus’ death on the cross, an unusual darkness struck the land. This darkness was most definitely a result of God's direct intervention, because it can't have been a solar eclipse for the following two reasons:

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    2. The maximum duration for a total solar eclipse is seven minutes, not three hours, and at the latitude of Jerusalem the maximum duration is even less.
    3. A solar eclipse can occur only at new moon, but we know that Jesus was crucified at the time of Passover (Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1–2,12; Luke 22:1–2, 7; John 13:1), and that the Passover is at the time of full moon (Exodus 12:1–11; Leviticus 23:5).

    The New Testament records the three-hour darkness during Christ’s crucifixion (Matthew 27:45, Mark 15:33, Luke 23:44–45).

    But it is also confirmed by four other historians outside the Bible: Phlegon, Thallus, Africanus and Tertullian. These historians attempt to interpret the darkness as a direct effect of a solar eclipse which we know is scientifically not possible - but they wouldn't have known that in their time.


    Evidence from Phlegon

    Phlegon was a Greek historian who wrote an extensive chronology around AD 137. Phlegon provides powerful confirmation, identifying the year and the exact time of day. In addition, he writes of an earthquake accompanying the darkness, which is specifically recorded in Matthew’s Gospel (Matthew 27:51):
    "In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad (i.e., AD 33) there was ‘the greatest eclipse of the sun’ and that ‘it became night in the sixth hour of the day [i.e., noon] so that stars even appeared in the heavens. There was a great earthquake in Bithynia, and many things were overturned in Nicaea.’"1

    Evidence from Africanus

    Africanus composed a five volume History of the World around AD 221. He was also a pagan convert to Christianity. Africanus writes:
    "On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior falls on the day before the passover; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse be supposed to happen when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun? Let opinion pass however; let it carry the majority with it; and let this portent of the world be deemed an eclipse of the sun, like others a portent only to the eye. Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth hour to the ninth—manifestly that one of which we speak. But what has an eclipse in common with an earthquake, the rending rocks, and the resurrection of the dead, and so great a perturbation throughout the universe? Surely no such event as this is recorded for a long period."2

    Evidence from Thallus

    Thallus wrote a history of the eastern Mediterranean world since the Trojan War. Thallus wrote his regional history in about AD 52.6. Unfortunately his original writings have been lost, however he is specifically quoted by Julius Africanus as in the quote above, and Africanus was a renowned third century historian. Africanus stated, ‘Thallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away the darkness as an eclipse of the sun—unreasonably as it seems to me.’ 3 Thallus attempted to give a naturalistic explanation to the darkness during the crucifixion.
    Evidence from Tertullian

    An additional possible reference to the Darkness, is related by St. Tertullian (160-220), in his Apology addressed to the "rulers of the Roman Empire". He also writes of the Darkness at Christ's Crucifixion:
    "And yet, nailed upon the cross, He exhibited many notable signs, by which His death was distinguished from all others. At His own free-will, He with a word dismissed from Him His spirit, anticipating the executioner’s work. In the same hour, too, the light of day was withdrawn, when the sun at the very time was in his meridian blaze. Those who were not aware that this had been predicted about Christ, no doubt thought it an eclipse. You yourselves have the account of the world-portent still in your archives."4
    Earthquake, April 3, 33 A.D

    After three hours of darkness at midday on April 3, 33 A.D., Jesus died on the cross. Immediately, the curtain of the sanctuary of the temple was torn, a great earthquake occurred, and rocks were broken.

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    “And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split and the tombs broke open.” (Matthew 27:50-51) In Wadi Ze’elim, located above the southwestern shore of the modern Dead Sea exists an outcrop of laminated Dead Sea sediment. This sediment outcrop is a distinctive one-foot thick “mixed layer” of sediment that is tied strongly to the Qumran earthquake’s onshore ground ruptures of 31 B.C. (see Figure 2 below).

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    Thirteen inches above the 31 B.C. event bed is another distinctive “mixed layer” less than one inch thick. The sedimentation rate puts this second earthquake about 65 years after the 31 B.C. earthquake! (31 B.C. + 65 yrs = 33 A.D) There is direct physical evidence in the thin layer of disturbed sediment from the Dead Sea, of an earthquake around 33 A.D. The evidence also shows it likely to have been a magnitude 5.5.

    Secular Geologist, Jefferson Williams of Supersonic Geophysical, and colleagues Markus Schwab and Achim Brauer of the German Research Center for Geosciences, researched the Dead Sea and revealed that at least two major earthquakes occurred: A widespread earthquake in 31 B.C. and a seismic event that happened sometime between the years 26 and 36. Thus, this earthquake was clearly the one at Jesus' crucifixion.

    These are powerful evidences for the historicity of the darkness at Christ’s crucifixion, and the earthquake. They were real historical events.
     
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  2. padraig

    padraig New Member

    It occurs to me that this is a good thing to consider as the Ring of Fire goes ballistic and we have massive sun dimming.
     
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  3. DivineMercy

    DivineMercy Archangels

    Thank you for this! I had read all the very good proofs for the date of April 3, 33 for the Crucifixion, but of course the fact that an eclipse couldn’t have happened was explained as “figurative” which irritated me greatly. It seems that many events in the Old Testament also are being “discovered” all the time with the exclamation “wow, the Bible was right!” :rolleyes:
     
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  4. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Yes it is amazing how many historical proofs there are for different events in the Bible.
    I was amazed to discover that Jesus seems actually to have been born on December 25th, I thought it was just a random date.
     
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  5. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Padraig, Thank you for posting this!

    This date of April 3, 33 A.D. for the crucifixion of Our Lord reminds me of the date of April 2, 2005
    the day that Pope Saint John Paul II died, which was the vigil of Divine Mercy Sunday that year, April 3, 2005.

    It is also interesting the if we add the digits in the dates of Our Lord's crucifixion, 4/3/33 we get the number 13
    and if we add the digits in the dates of Pope Saint John Paul II's date of death, 4/2/2005 we also get the number 13.

    The number 13 is indeed a very special number!

    No coincidences, only Godincidences. :)
     
  6. padraig

    padraig New Member

    God likes to repeat Himself!!

    A good clue to the future:)

    If for instance we can understand the Types referred to at somewhere like Fatima, we can better understand the Marian Secrets. Which are anti Types.

     
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  7. Dean

    Dean Archangels


    nu·mer·ol·o·gy
    ˌn(y)o͞oməˈräləjē/
    noun
    1. the branch of knowledge that deals with the occult significance of numbers.
     
  8. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Dean,

    Well, you are always welcome to your own opinion but scripture uses the same numbers very often to get our attention and for us to make associations imho such as "forty years". This is what St. Augustine of Hippo (A.D. 354–430) stated about numbers, "Numbers are the Universal language offered by the deity to humans as confirmation of the truth." Since this saint is no longer around I can't confirm this of course but I found the following from newadvent.org,

    Suffice it to note here that although the Fathers repeatedly condemned the magical use of numbers which had descended from
    Babylonian sources to the Pythagoreans and Gnostics of their times, and although they denounced any system of their philosophy which rested upon an exclusively numerical basis, still they almost unanimously regarded the numbers of Holy Writ as full of mystical meaning, and they considered the interpretation of these mystical meanings as an important branch of exegesis.
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11151a.htm

    Of course, the repetition of numbers is extremely prevalent in prayer such as in the rosary also.
     
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