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Has anyone read Lord of the World by Robert Benson

Discussion in 'Coffee House' started by Don_D, Jun 25, 2017.

  1. padraig

    padraig New Member

    It occurs to me that the marriage of the Church to the World at the moment which many in the Church (including Pope Francis) are attempting to bring about is a marriage to the nice. If you have a baby you don't want , fine, its nice to pluck it out of its mothers womb and burn it. If you're sick. Fine take a cocktail of drugs, die and its gone..and so on. We have become our won Gods, we are nice and can do as we like.

    Its interesting that the first charge against Catholics and Christians who want to keep the Faith is that we are not nice. I think we should wear this as a badge of honour. My own take from the people at work is that I would be given a very hard time indeed from many of them who hate Faith in general is that they know I am not a very nice person at all. I am nice enough when left in peace but know how to stand my ground when put to it.

    I think this quality of not being nice is a bit like being , 'Salted' , or wise to the ways of the world. Perhaps this is what Jesus said when He commented,

    Luke 16:8

    The Parable of the Shrewd Manager
    …7Then he asked another, ‘And how much do you owe?’ ‘A hundred measures of wheat.’ he replied. ‘Take your bill and write eighty,’ he told him. 8The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted shrewdly. For the sons of this age are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the sons of light. 9I tell you, use worldly wealth to make friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, they will welcome you into eternal dwellings.…


    I have to say the Jesus we meet in Scripture does not appear to be a very nice person at all. In fact the very opposite of it. Which is exactly why people wanted to kill Him from the word go.

    I lvoe this so much about our Faith. When we were adolescents I think the one thing that upset the most was the discovery that people were not honest. That the niceness of things was a pretense.

    I love the way the Truth of God cuts through (pardon me), the bullshit, that constantly surrounds us. :)

     
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  2. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    I believe he is solidly pro-life in his teaching.

    Why he should chose to praise Bonino is anyone's guess but it seems he likes socialists and left wingers. Who can understand this Pope? He is an enigma to everyone.
     
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  3. Don_D

    Don_D Powers

    Yes, this rings especially true to me;

    "When we were adolescents I think the one thing that upset the most was the discovery that people were not honest. That the niceness of things was a pretense."

    Because my daughter this week had a boy that has been showing her attention tell her that because she was Catholic he could never be a friend to her. It broke her heart that someone could be so cruel to her over her faith. I had a talk with her about it and it was a hard thing to explain how people can act one way and intentionally be cruel and try to harm you in the next moment but that we need to forgive them and love them as God loves us. That doesn't mean we are doormats however.

    The boy eventually apologized but these things tend to stay with us.
     
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  4. AED

    AED Powers

    I heard a remarkable and wonderful sermon by a Philippino priest when I was in Asia and he started by saying "the Catholic Church is NOT the church of nice. If you want nice find another Church. Our Church is the Church of truth..." and he went on from there saying essentially the same thing you are saying. Then he ended with " I know some of you are recording me and you are going to complain to the bishop. Go ahead. I am here to save my own soul just as I wish you to save yours. I must account to God what I do to guide this flock. I must speak the truth--for you and for me. " lovely young priest. Just wonderful. I thanked him afterward and told him I admired his courageous defense of the truth.
     
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  5. Mario

    Mario Powers

    AED,

    I'm scheduled to lead the Communion Service and give the reflection this weekend at the nursing home. After reading the beginning of the applicable Gospel from Matthew, I knew I will have to tie in this video clip.

    10:37f Jesus said to his apostles: "Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me.

    Jesus demands total allegiance. He wants to have first place in our hearts! Even our sufferings must be offered to Him!

    Now listen to the abortionist's words: I'll never go to Christ...I don't go to Christ...I don't listen to Christ.

    The contrast between the words of Jesus and those of the abortionist have devastated me since yesterday morning, but it is truth that must be shared.

    Jesus is my everything! Jesus is everything!

    Safe in the Father's Arms!
     
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  6. Don_D

    Don_D Powers

    For anyone who has not read this book I found it available free to download and listen to in mp3 format. The link is to the left mid way down to download the entire book in a zip file to your computer. It is also available free to read on amazon.

    https://librivox.org/lord-of-the-world-by-robert-hugh-benson/
     
  7. padraig

    padraig New Member

    The rest of Monsignor Hugh Benson's books are worth reading too. He was a mystic, very,very holy and highly prophetic. I think he forsaw the times we are going through at the moment.

    http://www.catholicworldreport.com/2015/07/10/the-fiction-of-robert-hugh-benson/

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  8. padraig

    padraig New Member



     
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  9. AED

    AED Powers

    He might just be my favorite author. I have read almost everything he wrote and I downloaded some books about him. Lord of the world certainly describes the atheism and indifference of our times and the precarious state of Christians.
     
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  10. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Did you read his short stories? There was one very, very strange one about a Guardian Angel pushing a child under a vehicle to die because it was the child's time to die? :cautious::cautious:I have never forgotten that one.
     
  11. AED

    AED Powers

    Gosh I can't remember. I must go back and look at my collection of his stories. It is a disturbing idea but I do think God in His mercy takes each of us when we are most ready. When we are best able to be saved.
     
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  12. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    The "Black Pope" has been the nickname given to the Superior General of the Jesuits.....denoting his power. Hard to believe that it is still the largest order in the Catholic Church.
     
  13. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Byron, I just came across this prophecy yesterday in a book I started reading recently. Here it is,

    93a. Old Italian
    "When the White Pope and the Black Pope (Head of Jesuits or an Anti-Pope) shall die during the same night, then there will dawn upon the Christian nations the Great White Day."
    93b. "Woe unto the City of Philosophers, woe unto Lombardy for thy towers of joy shall be broken down; all the tyrants shall be put out of God's church, and there shall occur a general conversion to the faith of Christ under the Great Lion."
    This is truly a tough one to discern because it is not associated with any particular person. It is found on page 145 of Rev. Culleton's The Prophets of Our Times,
    http://ia800200.us.archive.org/2/items/TheProphetsAndOurTimes/TheProphetsAndOurTimes.pdf
     
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  14. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    I found the futuristic LOTW AC book to be a general pointer to future times but a leeetle too obvious in its symbolism and futuristic high techy modes of living expected for that time. The characters were not that complicated and rather easily bought, simply by a grand personality who could take advantage of common naiveté.

    I had already read Michael O'Brien's "Fr. Elijah" which also covered the power of various hierarchical positions with influence over seminaries and their new coercion of those with traditional faith while placing the new "thinkers" in positions of power. IOW how the Church works hand in hand with the power elitists of the NWO, killing off the remnant of those faithful in high positions in order to get rid of any left over influence. As I remember the Pope had to flee an invasion of the Vatican. And the AC had some real demonic "charismatic" powers but also needed his own minions to do his dirty work. Walking into his grand living quarters really appeared like walking into a hellish atmosphere. It had more of a mystical quality that related to the individual soul....like humility vs pride and the real choices people make deliberately. And there were characters such as mystics alluding to P. Pio types as living guide posts for the remnant good.

    It may be the world situation at the time of the future AC will be one where the choice can be for either food, clothing, housing, or selling one's soul. After all of the man made and natural destruction a population left in desperation will be ripe for a takeover by one with means. The dependency is already being created by money and power being in the hands of a few who are already killing off smaller businesses, variety of choice, for convenience via technology and will then be able to decide just who is worthy for supplies who aren't since they are gaining control of supply and distribution. And they are easily being accepted without objection or govt. regulation. Along with supplies they are also purchasing the means of communication for just what is allowed in that part of the culture as well.
     
  15. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Yes I have been thinking about that story for years. I recounted it to a very saintly hermit priest/monk one time and he was outraged. But I don;t know, I recall what William Shakespeare has one of his characters in Hamlet, 'There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in our philosophy' . There are some very,very strange things knocking about out there that maybe don't always fit the boxes we have to put things into. Very strange things.;)
     
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  16. AED

    AED Powers

    I actually have personal experience with this. My oldest son was killed in the line of duty as a Marine and I had been praying very hard over the years for his soul because he had drifted very far from his faith. One day about 6 months before this happened I had been praying for my children in front of the Blessed Sacrament and from the depths of my anguish for their spiritual danger I begged the Lord to do whatever had to be done in order to save their souls. When he was killed I had such a merciful reassurance from the Blessed Mother that he was safe. In very miraculous ways I was shown that God took him to save him. My friend "the saint" that I told you about said the exact same thing to me. The Father took him in order to save him! We just don't know what lies ahead but God does and He always always always does the loving and merciful thing. So on the surface the RH Benson story might sound terrible but I think Monseigneur Benson was very tuned to God's movements of grace and understood these mysterious things. I don't think I am explaining this well. It is hard to translate into words. But He always always acts out of love and always for our best good. This I know.
     
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  17. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Can anyone explain how Pope Francis, who read and encouraged others to do so this book, does not see that he is living out the book in the bad sense? Does he see himself as the good guy in the book? I purchased this book along time ago and read the first few chapters and for the life of me could not understand the first few chapters and gave up on it.
     
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  18. padraig

    padraig New Member

    You have a very very deep Faith may God Bless you for it.

    My brother and sister in law, both 26 were killed in an automobile accident along with their two year old daughter. My mother in her anguish asked me why it had happened. I saw at once that she wanted a direct prophetic answer rather that a generalised, 'It' s God's Will type answer' . So I told her the truth. That I did not know. Nevertheless that on thinking of their lives I thought they were heading off in a direction that was far from God and that God had brought them home to save souls that if they had carried on might have been lost. My mother was a very, very strong woman with a deep Faith and I believe this comforted her, though it did surprise.

    I find one of the great Signs of a true , authentic mystical spiritual life is this. That it can surprise with the truth it brings. Truth that we never ever expected can falls like the leaves of Autumn in the Wind of the Holy Spirit.

    Praying for your dear son tonight.

     
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  19. Don_D

    Don_D Powers

    Good point Fatima, one I have thought about off and on since reading this book. I often wonder if it is not precisely because Pope Francis knows a terrible time is coming for the Church that he is bending the knee to those who are running the world if that makes sense. Make no mistake, they are running it. To try to save many from a horrendous outcome should the Church continue to remain steadfast and unwavering to the Truth.

    I know this sounds counter intuitive when one looks at what he is teaching and the ambiguity in things such as AL especially or the comments about Catholics breeding like rabbits but I keep imagining that in one of those meetings with a man such as Obama that Pope Francis was shown and told in no uncertain terms that the Church and the Faithful would be utterly destroyed. Sparing no one. Akin to the French Revolution but on a world wide scale.

    This is the only way that I can make any sense of either Pope Francis or Pope Benedict in this current time we are in. The threat of a war to end all wars perhaps? Some knowledge of an inner circle within the Church which would utterly turn it inside out?

    I do not know. Though, why Pope Francis would say such a thing with regard to this particular book not once but multiple times as well as quoting from it etc makes me think that there is more than we are able to see involved with the state of the Church. We are most certainly living in grave times of evil.
     
  20. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Pope Francis is such a paradox. I can often figure him out or even understand what he is trying to say.

    I love people and things to be simple. Look at Jesus, He loved children and children loved Him. I am sure they at least could understand Him perfectly.

    God does not do complicated and hard to understand.

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