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Discussion in 'GARABANDAL LIBRARY' started by Aviso, Aug 17, 2011.

  1. HOPE

    HOPE Guest

    I never realised Mother Angelica went to Garabandal! God bless her today and every day. I have heard Glenn that EWTN has a precense in Garabandal, that they have a house there or is that just a roumour?
  2. Glenn

    Glenn Powers Staff Member

    I am not 100% sure,but it wouldn't surprise me. I'll ask around.
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  3. "Quis ut Deus"

    "Quis ut Deus" Archangels

    Wow..
  4. Glenn

    Glenn Powers Staff Member

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  5. John Walsh

    John Walsh New Member

    hi Janine .Have just heard the commision appointed by the vatican seem to be in favour of Medjogorie so it seems it is up to Pope Francis to make the final call.Also Pope John Paul the second used to ask his pilot to fly over it so that he could bless it and its pilgrims from the air so it looks like the church will aprove it and no doubt will also endorse Garabandal ps say hi to Denis and hope your family are well J B
  6. Glenn

    Glenn Powers Staff Member

    John , this probably should have been posted in the Medjugoje-Garabandal thread, just so we can keep the threads topical. Well, as probably the biggest Garabandal supporter here, I unfortunately have to disagree with you that it will be endorsed also. The Vatican knows the date of the Miracle and has no reason issue an early approval until the Warning & Miralce both happen, then and only then will they finally approve this much misunderstood apparition site. It can't happened soon enough for me.
  7. Timothius722

    Timothius722 Principalities

    Hi Glenn...you state "the Vatican knows the date of the Miracle". Could you please clarify that statement. Who in the Vatican may know the date of the miracle and how would he/she/them know the date? If I may bother you with one more question...Steve on the forum presented some compelling reasons why the warning/miracle may take place during the 2016/2017 timeline. Just shooting from the hip...can you give your gut feeling... best guest on the years that you feel would be the contenders for the warning/miracle and why you think so...it may be right or wrong....but just your best guess. Thanks!
  8. Glenn

    Glenn Powers Staff Member

    Timothius, It was reported in Fr. Ramon Andreu's diary that Conchita visited Pope Paul VI and some Vatican staff and revealed the date. I wanted to provide some documentation on the visit,so here it is:
    In January of 1966, Conchita was called to Rome by Prefect of the Holy Office (now the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith), Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani and was interrogated for two and a half hours by the Cardinal and other members of the Holy Office. Although Conchita was experiencing doubts and lapses of memory at the time, which the Virgin had predicted, Conchita later said that during the interrogation everything about the apparitions passed before her eyes, as though “on film.” Cardinal Ottaviani was satisfied and the overall impression made by Conchita was favorable. Afterwards, she asked to see the Pope. Here is Father Joseph Pelletier’s account of that memorable meeting.
    “She was given an appointment that was later cancelled. Arrangements were made for Conchita to meet a personal representative of the Pope, someone of considerable rank. He told her that the Pope gave her his blessing and with it that of all the Church. Quite unexpectedly, on the following day, the Holy Father himself actually received Conchita and repeated verbally what he had said to her the preceding day through his personal representative. These are incontrovertible facts, which the author is in position to substantiate if need be. What has been affirmed repeatedly and challenged just as often is true: the Pope did say: “I bless you and with me the whole Church blesses you.” -- Our Lady Comes to Garabandal, p. 201
    Conchita’s meeting with the Holy Father was a private audience, in the strictest sense of the word, where only two or three persons are present as opposed to a semi-private one where several persons can be in attendance. Conchita was not permitted to divulge what was said during the meeting and has always honored this injunction even until today. She did reveal, however, that while in Rome, she told the date of the Miracle to both Cardinal Ottaviani and the Pope’s personal secretary (no doubt
    intended for the Pope).

    As far as the Warning & Miracle date,I never comment ,for fear of being misquoted, other than to say,I believe what the Mary Loli & Conchita said that when we see a global return of Communism,its a sure sign of the approaching Warning.
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  9. Glenn

    Glenn Powers Staff Member

    Very Little is known about the time after the Warning & Miracle, but the impression I get is that there will be a period of great peace and return to God, but for how long ? I feel like its a "New Year's resolutiuon", people start out like a ball of fire , then fizzle out. I pray this does not happen,because obviously the prophecised " Chastisement" is horrible. When this was revealed to the girls in ecstacy, it was called the " night of screams" ! It was so bad, the whole town went to confession and mass the next day ! Pray for massive conversions is my advice.
  10. Deborah Morehart

    Deborah Morehart New Member

  11. Deborah Morehart

    Deborah Morehart New Member

    Glenn in your post #1440, dated March 19, 2013, you say something completely different from what your post #2132 states, makes me wonder what the TRUTH is.
  12. Glenn

    Glenn Powers Staff Member


    There was a posted update to that question some time ago, I cant find it now but here is the same answer from a private email I had sent to confirm to someone else who asked.
    " Now I had to confirm this before I posted to you. There was some confusion on Conchita's answer ,partly because of the way I asked her. I thought I asked if she ever said the date, and said when you visited Pope Benedict. She was only referencing her visit to then Cardinal Ratzinger and staff, I thought she meant on all visits. I have to take the blame for this one. So now to answer your question again,lol, not only did it happen ithe 1960's according to Fr. Andeau, but more recently , in 1996 with Pope JPII. I agree with your assessment, if the date had passed, the Vatican would have released a statement saying so. (sometimes there is a minor language barrier when we converse, but I should have been very specific when I asked,my fault, my apologies. ) "

    I forgot to delete that old post. Hope that clears this up.
  13. Jon

    Jon Principalities

    I think this is an important time frame also. But I think we might make a mistake if we don't also accept that the Warning and Miracle could come much earlier than 2016/2017. If Warning, for example was destined for 2013/2014, with Miracle in 2013/2014/2015 range, that allows for a period of tribulation to continue prior to the Chastisement then Triumph of the Immaculate Heart (<-May or October 2017, potentially).

    I can't recall if this came from a Mark Mallett stream of thought or not, but I liked the parallel:

    What he proposed were the final events in the life of Christ, and a theoretical connection to the Body of Christ, and events foretold in these prophecies:
    1. Garden of Gethsemane
    2. Transfiguration
    3. Going down into Jerusalem for the Passover, passion, death, ressurrection.
    And the parallels proposed:
    1. Warning/Illumination of Conscience
    2. Miracle/Permanent sign
    3. Triblation, Chastisement, Triumph of Immaculate Heart/Return
    So, the point is that for Jesus, the garden and transfiguration came before the suffering and passion. Therefore, before the worst of the passion of the Church and the Chastisement, the Body may have her garden and transfiguration. If tribulation duration is maybe 3 years, and 2017 might represent the end/culmination (consistent with Pope Leo XIII 100 years terminating), then we might need to back up 3-3.5 years from some date in 2017 to get nearer to the Warning.
  14. Jon

    Jon Principalities

    I might have goofed the order up a little here, but the overall idea was a sequence that might take place in parallel. I'll have to look for the original post.
  15. Jon

    Jon Principalities

    I think it came from this 2007 Mark Mallett blog entry:
    THE HOUR IS HERE, AND IS COMING…

    I have often written saying that the Church is "in the Garden of Gethsemane."
    The Church formed at the cost of your precious blood is even now conformed to your Passion. —Psalm-prayer, Liturgy of the Hours, Vol III, p.1213
    But I have also written saying we are anticipating a "Transfiguration moment" when we will see the condition of our souls as God sees them. In Scripture, the Transfiguration preceded the Garden. However, in a certain sense, the agony of Jesus began with the Transfiguration. For it was there that Moses and Elijah instructed Jesus to go down to Jerusalem where He would suffer and die.
    So as I will present here below, I see the Transfiguration and Garden of Gethsemane for the Church as events which are occurring, and yet, still to be anticipated. And as you see below, the culmination of this Transfiguration occurs when Jesus goes down to Jerusalem in His triumphal entry. I compare this to the peak of the Illumination when there is a worldwide manifestation of the Cross.
    Indeed, many souls are already in that time of Transfiguration now (this period of anticipation of both suffering and glory). It seems as though there is a Great Awakening whereby many souls are recognizing the corruption within both their soul and society as never before. They are experiencing anew the great love and mercy of God. And they are being given the understanding of coming trials, and the night which the Church must pass through into a new dawn of peace.
    Just as Moses and Elijah forewarned Jesus, we also have been privileged for several decades to have been visited by the Mother of God to prepare the Church for the days ahead. God blessed us with many "Elijahs" who have spoken prophetic words of admonition and encouragement.
    Indeed, these are the days of Elijah. Just as Jesus descended the mountain of His Transfiguration into the valley of interior sorrow over His coming passion, we are also living in that interior Garden of Gethsemane as we approach the hour of decision where people will either flee into the false peace and security of a "New World Order," or remain to drink the cup of glory… and share in the eternal Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
    We are living in the Transfiguration as many Christians are being awakened to the mission which lies ahead of them. Indeed, Christians throughout the world are simultaneously passing through the baptism, ministry, passion, tomb, and resurrection of our Lord.
    So then, when we speak of a map or chronology of events here, I am referring to events which are universal in scope and of utmost significance for the Church and mankind. I believe the particular character of these writings that has unfolded is that they lay prophetic events out within the context and path of our Lord’s Passion.
    Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 675
    Events sequenced here, then, follow the Passion, Death, Resurrection, and Ascension of our Lord: the Body follows the Head wherever He goes.

  16. Jon

    Jon Principalities

    and the rest of it:
    A HEAVENLY MAP
    Here is a chronology of events as understood through the writings of the Early Church Fathers, the Catechism, and Sacred Scripture, and further illuminated by the approved private revelation of mystics, saints, and seers. (If you click on the CAPITALIZED words, they will take you to the pertinent writings).
    • THE TRANSFIGURATION: This current period in which the Mother of God is appearing to us, preparing us for, and leading us to a significant intervention of God’s mercy in an "ILLUMINATION OF CONSCIENCE" or "warning" in which each soul sees himself in the light of truth as though it were a miniature judgment (for many, a process already begun; cf. John 18:3-8; Rev 6:1) . It is a moment in which souls will perceive to one degree or another either their path of eternal punishment, or path of glory, according to how they have responded during this TIME OF GRACE (Rev 1:1, 3)… just as Jesus was transfigured in glory, and yet simultaneously faced the "hell" that lay before Him (Matt 17:2-3). I believe this also correlates with a period beforehand and during in which Jesus said we would see tremendous upheaval in nature. But this, He said, was only "the beginning of the LABOR PAINS." (see Matt 24:7-8). The Illumination will also bring about a new Pentecost upon the remnant of the Church. The chief purpose of this outpouring of the Holy Spirit is to evangelize the world before it is purified, but also to strengthen the remnant for the times ahead. At the Transfiguration, Jesus was prepared by Moses and Elijah for His Passion, Death, and Resurrection.
    • THE TRIUMPHAL ENTRY: The global experience of the Illumination. Jesus is received by many as the Messiah. Flowing from the Illumination and new Pentecost, there will ensue a brief period of EVANGELIZATION in which many will recognize Jesus as Lord and Savior. During this time, there will be a cleansing of the Church just as Jesus immediately cleansed the temple upon His arrival in Jerusalem.
    • THE GREAT SIGN: Following the Illumination, a permanent sign will be given to the entire world, a miracle to bring about further conversions, and healing and confirmation to repentant souls (Luke 22:51). The degree of repentance after the Illumination and Sign will be the degree to which the following chastisements are lessened. This sign may in fact be Eucharistic in nature, that is, a sign of THE LAST SUPPER. Just as the coming home of the prodigal son was marked by a great feast, so too Jesus instituted the feast of the Holy Eucharist. This period of evangelization will also awaken many to Christ’s Eucharistic presence as they MEET HIM FACE TO FACE. However, it was after the Lord’s supper that He was immediately betrayed…
    • THE GARDEN OF GETHSEMANE (Zec 13:7): A FALSE PROPHET will arise as an instrument of purification seeking to trump with false signs and wonders the Illumination and Great Sign, deceiving many (Rev 13:11-18; Matt 24:10-13). The Holy Father will be persecuted and driven from Rome (Matt 26:31), and the Church will enter into her own Passion (CCC 677). The False Prophet and Beast, the ANTICHRIST, will reign for a short period, persecuting the Church and martyring many (Matt 24:9).
    • The THREE DAYS OF DARKNESS: the "time of the tomb" ensues (Wis 17:1-18:4), possibly produced by a comet, as God purifies the world of evil, casting the False Prophet and Beast into the "fiery pool," and chaining Satan for a symbolic period of a "thousand years" (Rev 19:20-20:3).
    • The FIRST RESURRECTION occurs (Rev 20:4-6) whereby the martyrs are "raised from the dead" and the surviving remnant REIGN with the Eucharistic Christ (Rev 19:6) in a time of peace and unity (Rev 20:2, Zec 13:9, Is 11:4-9). It is a spiritual ERA OF PEACE and justice, symbolized by the expression "one thousand years" in which the Church is truly made whole and holy, preparing her as a spotless bride (Rev 19:7-8, Eph 5:27) to receive Jesus in His FINAL COMING IN GLORY.
    • Toward the end of this Era of Peace, Satan is released and GOG AND MAGOG, the pagan nations, are assembled to war upon the Church in Jerusalem (Rev 20:7-10, Ez 38:14-16).
    • CHRIST RETURNS IN GLORY (Matt 24:30), the dead are resurrected (1 Thess 4:16), and the surviving Church meets Christ in the clouds in its own ASCENSION (Matt 24:31, 1 Thess 4:17). The Final Judgment commences (Rev 20:11-15, 2 Pt 3:10), and a New Heavens and New Earth are ushered in (Rev 21:1-7), where God will reign forever with His people in the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:10).
  17. Jon

    Jon Principalities

    and this:
    Before his Ascension, Christ affirmed that the hour had not yet come for the glorious establishment of the messianic kingdom awaited by Israel which according to the prophets, was to bring all men the definitive order of justice, love, and peace. According to the Lord, the present time is the time of the of the Spirit and of witness, but also a time still marked by "distress" and the trial of evil which does not spare the Church and ushers in the struggles of the last days. It is a time of waiting and watching.
    The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God’s victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God’s triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world. —CCC, 672, 677

    WISDOM FROM BEYOND
    It seems presumptuous to me to suggest that this map is written in stone and exactly how it shall be. It is, however, laid out according to the lights which God has given me, the inspirations which have led my research, the guidance of my spiritual director, and most importantly, a map which several of the Early Church Father’s appear to have adhered to.
    God’s wisdom is beyond—far beyond our understanding. So, while this in fact may be the path upon which the Church is set, let us never forget the one sure path which Jesus gave us: to be as little children. I believe the strong prophetic word for the Church right now is a word from the Heavenly prophetess, our Blessed Mother—a word I hear her speaking very clearly in my heart:
    Stay small. Be very little like me, as your model. Remain humble, praying my Rosary, living each moment for Jesus, seeking His will, and only His will. In this way, you will be safe, and the enemy will not be able to lead you astray.
    Pray, pray, pray.
    Yes, watch carefully, and pray.

    AN APPROVED PROPHETIC WORD
    As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests.
    The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confréres…churches and altars [will be] sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.
    The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them.
    …Pray very much the prayers of the Rosary. I alone am able to still save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved. —Approved message of the Blessed Virgin Mary to Sr. Agnes Sasagawa , Akita, Japan; EWTN online library. In 1988, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, judged the messages of Akita to be reliable and worthy of belief.
  18. insearch

    insearch Angels

    Jon, I am not a scholar in Eschatology but Antichrist is going to reign before the Second Coming of Christ or The End of the World, not before the "first resurrection". There has to be only ONE resurrection of the dead, and it is going to be after Second Coming for the Judgement Day. Not sure where the thousand years fit here and as far as I remember milleniarism is actually not recognized by Catholic Church, even considered a heresy, but is popular among Protestants and Zoroastrians.

    Good and sound explanations with diagram:

    http://www.catholicapologetics.org/ap090000.htm

    In Catholic Church( and the same is in Orthodox) the teaching is that after Ascension Jesus Christ will come one time - for the Last Judgement. There is no space for thousand years of peace and millenial reiign so on.

    It is actually a very interesting question and I suspect the eschatological blurriness of the vision of the End Times from many apparitions are the reasons why many of them are not recognized.
  19. David Wilson

    David Wilson Guest

    Jon and insearch,

    The Millennium will take place. It is part of the revealed, written Word as found in St. John's Apocalypse. The Church has condemned a false interpretation of this Millennium (the heresy of millenarianism). BUT, the Church has not yet ruled on the definitive interpretation of the Millennium.

    The Millennium is a fascinating subject, perhaps better suited to its own thread.
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  20. insearch

    insearch Angels

    It is NOT a Catholic teaching. It is considered a heresy since Nicea. There is no space for Millenium Reign in Catholic Eschatology. NOW is considered to be the Millenium. Catholics are amillenials, which means they consider it's millenium number mostly symbolic.

    More on the subject here:
    http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-rapture
    As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been "amillennial" (as has been the majority Christian position in general, including that of the Protestant Reformers), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called "millenarianism" (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism "cannot safely be taught," though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue.

    Roman Catholics generally follow the teachings of Augustine and the Protestant reformers, and accept Amillennialism. However, they do not generally use the term. They anticipate Jesus coming to Earth and gathering the Church together. But they generally do not use the term "rapture" either According to Catholic Answers, "The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called 'millenarianism' (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism 'cannot safely be taught,' though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue." 13

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