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Four Cardinals OFFICIALLY ask Pope Francis to Clarify Amoris Laetitia

Discussion in 'Pope Francis' started by BrianK, Nov 14, 2016.

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  1. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    Gee, wonder what could have possibly happened today that would cause this pope to call for an unscheduled meeting with his curia today?
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  2. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    We need more than a 'social worker' at the helm of the Church. Charity starts with the truth. Part of the truth of Christ deals with tending to the poor. But, bringing the poor into a public setting to let the Pope 'show off' and exploit his preference for them is a little bit like the man in scripture going into the temple and bragging all he has done for God, while the poor tax collector beating his chest was asking for God's mercy and received it. There is something wrong with wanting your works to be seen by all, especially on a grand stage. Politicians do this all the time. Having gone through several social justice priests in my parish in the past 27 years, I know they will do one event after another for the immigrants, but they will not speak to the doctrinal/moral issues that are plaguing the church. Never once have they spoken on hell, purgatory, contraception, necessity of attending Mass on Sunday's and Holy Day's of obligation and many other essential teaching of the faith which are to many to name. Because of this our assembly has lost well over half of its members, as they no longer feel the need to go to Mass. When the fullness of the truth is not taught it leaves a void. Once again, we need balance.
     
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  3. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    The question is...then, how long is this group willing to wait for the answer they expect....yes or no? And then the big question....what is their NEXT step when they are left turning? Will they appeal to their personal followings and begin the little factions' wars with one another? Would they prefer to get their personal 15 min. of fame in the present moment rather than wait for a continuance to come in perhaps as little time as a year or so.....as imagined in those statements of this Pope about his future as leader? And how many of them have emphasized to the "sheep" what the real opportunity within this Year of Mercy was for them or were they content to leave it as simply a gigantic missed opportunity to save souls while they were stewing in a certain righteousness while "Rome" was seen to be burning?
     
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  4. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    This is deliberately obtuse and sanctimonious in the face of the grave errors they are addressing and what is at stake from the pope's refusal to answer, given his moral obligation to do so.
     
  5. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    Julia,
    Yes I agree with you, we must fast and pray and be vigilant. I know many of you are doing so and like BrianK offering big sacrifices.
    I try and keep my peace and turn it over to the Lord. Our Lady has warned for many years of a schism and we seem to be there. At least everyone will show their true colours now. That's a positive. I just finished Marianas book 'M Heart will Triumph' and she says when everything seems a mess Our Lady is doing some Spring Cleaning, She will put everything back in place when she has cleaned the house. So Be Vigilant and pray
     
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  6. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Nothing was more opposite to your own knee jerk assessment of another's intentions. It was directed to the main question, not discussed as yet, of real division and therefore anything but "obtuse". Talk and public indignation rather than leaders beginning to act together with the expected maturity and responsibility only gets the little dependent ones more confused. "Sanctimonious" is what happens when the big questions of what comes next from those who keep challenging come to no conclusion themselves but continue to publicly stir things up rather than work to unify and fulfill their own authority's requirements. It's like they want the public to do their work for them rather than act like adults at least to the same degree they expect those who follow their rules to do. There is still the BIG elephant in the room going without attention but only addressed with indignity and an advertised willingness for division apparently....what are they willing to do next and what do you decide for yourself to do next? Just what to yourself is the "true" magisterium of the Church as represented and in Christ's own deliberate message to all....that all may be one? Is the true magisterium, in the person of men as is willed by God, to continue to be connected to the head, esp. when there is as yet no evidence of any declared reason for division? Again, beyond the questions meant for those above our pay grade to decide upon, what are you willing to do in the present moment if such challengers give you that choice? Are you willing to leave and follow some "little pope" of your considered choice? That's where the rubber meets the road. And what do you do with the current head.....ignore him and substitute group rule or something? Those questions are anything but "obtuse". Perhaps your answers might better match your word of choice for another.
     
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  7. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    Your words:

    To say, or even suggest, these good and holy prelates are guilty of self righteousness while Rome burns, while in actuality they were the only ones doing something of substance, is obtuse and sanctimonious.
     
  8. Ed Kleese

    Ed Kleese Servant

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    Holy Smoke ETA! I almost thought Joe C. Was back!

    Peace ETA and Brian,
    Ed
     
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  9. picadillo

    picadillo Powers


    That is the same arrogance that enabled the pedophile problem.
     
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  10. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    Orthodox Catholics realize that the whole "Holy Doors of Mercy" stunt was more of a rhetorical and political tool all along, to grease the skids for acceptance of giving Holy Eucharist to those living in sin by those who would otherwise resist this anti-scriptural novelty, all in the name of false mercy.
     
  11. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    People fail to see real pernicious clericalism when it wears the label of "humble" on one sleeve and "mercy" on the other.
     
  12. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Oh, come on.....we have a history of so called "respected and labeled holy prelates" who have sinned against the faithful in so many ways, placing burdens on them while not lifting a finger to instruct them more thoroughly in the Faith or have forbidden them the help coming from heaven itself in the many intercessions via apparitions of our Lady and failing to obey the instructions given by God in order to ease the lives of the innocent. Those failures have much required in order to make amends. And this time of Mercy IS a missed opportunity from what has been witnessed by the few in taking it seriously, to make amends, for it is the Church itself who must be cleansed first and that comes only when those in charge themselves lead the Faithful by example and ask for that forgiveness before the time of Mercy has ended. They don't accomplish that by publicly grandstanding. It's up to them....to help solve the questions, not to threaten one another in the public eye. They must work together. They can't survive living only in their individual fiefdoms. They expect certain heroic measures from families while they give examples over and over of division among themselves and self defense before the public. They can walk into retirements while protecting their images outwardly. Families can't just retire. Garabandal was all about the bishops and priests and the future of the Church due to them......and spoke of this time of bishops against bishops et al. Our Lady's hands are tied by such unwillingness as we've witnessed in the history of the Church as she must respect that hierarchy while how many humble themselves before her in any compared sacrifice? And now we've come to the point of actual division at the highest positions. Again, just who will you follow? What are you willing to actually do within any such division when it becomes a reality? Who will become your authority? So far....crickets!
     
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  13. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    I rest my case.
     
  14. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Who's Joe C?
     
  15. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    I hope that Jesus Christ will be every Catholic's authority, and we all know what Jesus said about marriage. None of us has to go anywhere, just like nobody had to go anywhere during the reign of bad popes in the past.
     
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  16. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I think he must have meant Joe Crozier, ETA.
     
  17. Ed Kleese

    Ed Kleese Servant

    I did
     
  18. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

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  19. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Wow! Good memory.
    Check this out:
    One of the Cardinals who signed the document is:

    Joachim Meisner (born 25 December 1933) is a German cardinal of the Catholic Church. He is the immediate past Archbishop of Cologne

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Meisner
     
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  20. padraig

    padraig New Member

    The homeless fly in stunt was organised by a recently set up organisation , 'Fratello' , in Fance which is in its turn funded by the Bettencourt Schueller Foundation.

    Liliane Bettancourt is reclusive but is the richest woman on the planet . The whole thing is very odd:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliane_Bettencourt



    'In 1950 she married French politician André Bettencourt, who served as a cabinet minister in French governments of the 1960s and 1970s and rose to become deputy chairman of L'Oréal. Bettencourt had been a member of La Cagoule, a violent French fascist group that Liliane's father had funded and supported in the 1930s and that collaborated with the Nazis during World War II. After the war, her husband, like other members of La Cagoule, was given refuge at L'Oréal despite his politically inconvenient past.[8] Eventually the Bettencourts settled in an Art Moderne mansion built in 1951 on rue de Delabordère in Neuilly-sur-Seine, France.[9] They had one daughter, Françoise, who was born on 10 July 1953.'

    In 2008 the Foundation helped fund the new Monet wing at the Musée Marmottan Monet.[18] Conversely, in 2007 Bettencourt was jointly "awarded" a Black Planet Award, an award given for destroying the planet, along with Peter Brabeck-Letmathe for proliferating contaminated baby food, monopolising water resources, and tolerating child labor.[19]


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