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Emma Bonino; Abortionist.

Discussion in 'Positive Critique' started by padraig, Feb 27, 2016.

  1. HomeSchoolMom

    HomeSchoolMom New Member

    I do apologize, my entire post was very sloppy. In my zeal to get my thoughts across, I quoted out of chronology and incompletely. I PROMISE you, however, that I was not intentionally misrepresenting what the Pope said.
  2. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod

    I've discussed this with a priest and the priest can only forgive the sins orally confessed and auricularly heard (with exceptions of things like sign language or writing down the sins etc.) Furthermore to a certain degree he can tell whether there is contrition based on the recitation of the sins and act of contrition. Priests are to withhold absolution in some cases where there is no firm purpose of amendment.

    Ask any priest, they cannot absolve just because someone walks in the door of the confessional. In fact some penitents purposely skip the most embarrassing sins.

    If sins were routinely forgiven simply because the penitent walked in the door of the confessional (and exceptions lately eventually become the rule, not the exception), why would anyone confess their sins orally to the priest as instructed by the Church?
  3. HomeSchoolMom

    HomeSchoolMom New Member

    Thanks Brian, that's very cut (severed) and dried (desiccated). I'm not talking about people who are intentionally skipping embarrassing sins, and neither is the Pope. And regarding auricularly, would weeping and sobbing fall under that?
  4. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod

    The clear teachings of the Church are not severed and desiccated. They are the means Christ has lead the Church to through His promise to send the Holy Spirit and to give the Church the authority to lose and bind. These are not Pharisaical man made laws that can be arbitrarily abandoned by Churchmen on a whim because they think they know better than the 2000 year history of the Church. In fact we must beware anyone who thinks their agenda trumps Church Tradition.

    Furthermore if a penitent can be forgiven just by entering the confessional, why not then just by entering the Church building?!?

    This is a direct attempt IMO to return to the forbidden (except in emergency) practice of General Absolution.
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2016
  5. Aviso

    Aviso Guest

    Dear HomeSchoolMom, no need for any apo

    Dear HomeSchoolMama, about the indicated cases (languages), the Church also planned these cases, called "Ecclesia supplet" which are Latin words meaning "The Church supplies for my deficiency.", Canon Law also refers to these situations and provides that a translator can be used (Can. 983 and Can. 990), those are exceptional cases but took into account by the Fathers of the Church as well as I share your opinion that we have to help each other, thank you.

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  6. HomeSchoolMom

    HomeSchoolMom New Member

    I honestly do not disagree, and I am a lover of Church Tradition and take great comfort in being bound by the authority of the Church.

    And while the Church has not formally declared an emergency, we are in seemingly historic, tumultuous times and much mercy and grace is needed to bring the brotherhood of man into the arms of our Mother Church. I pray for God to draw us to Himself in every possible way, most especially through the Holy Sacraments of His Church.
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  7. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    Trying to figure out how the Pope got so chummy with Bonino and her cohorts, I came across this letter he wrote in response to a letter that Scalfari had published in La Republica newspaper: https://w2.vatican.va/content/franc...papa-francesco_20130911_eugenio-scalfari.html

    Given that the Pope says he doesn't read the newspapers, I'm getting the impression that someone brought Scalfari's piece to his attention and that the Holy Father's response was a reaching out in charity. That was the right thing to do. We all are called to reach out to unbelievers, even the Pope. What I can't shake off is a suspicion that it was all a set-up by masonic influences inside the Vatican and close to the Holy Father - by people who couldn't manipulate Pope Benedict and are taking advantage of this Pope who is an intellectual lightweight in comparison to his predecessor.
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  8. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod


    This pope can kneel and genuflect after all.

    Does Francis Only Kneel in Anglican Shrines?
    9 hours ago

    During his Saturday trip to Fatima, Pope Francis did not kneel, not even in front of the Blessed Sacrament, although a kneeler was available. However, when he visited the Anglican Shrine of the so-called Ugandan Martyrs in Namugongo, Uganda, on November 28, 2015, he used a kneeler in front of him and knelt for a long time, although the Anglican martyrs are not canonized. IMG_0946.JPG
  9. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod

    Despite standing for Adoration at Fatima this past weekend: IMG_0815.JPG

    This photo appeared with a pointed caption this weekend on Facebook:

    "Down in front!"
  10. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    He sometimes makes special effort to kneel but he suffers from sciatica, so it is probably pretty painful for him to kneel sometimes.

    Here are hundreds of pictures of the pope kneeling, also before the blessed sacrament:

    Here are some news on his knee and sciatica isssues:

    "The Pope suffers from sciatica -- pain, tingling, numbness and weakness down the back of the leg -- caused by injury or pressure on the sciatic nerve, the UK Star says." Read more: https://www.tuko.co.ke/69578-pope-francis-trips-on-american-plane.html

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  11. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod

    The vast majority of those pictures appeared on Google search engines to quell this topic AFTER noted Catholic journalists started raising this question about 18-24 months ago. (I know because I and others searched in depth.) Some of the earliest that appeared weren't even of him in front of the Eucharist but made to look that way by montage. (I know because I and others located the original photos used to create the montage - or photoshop - versions.)

    If this was early in his papacy one could make this argument but after 4 years of this - not genuflecting at the Consecration or kneeling for Adoration - it's not credible. There are far too many photos of him kneeling to wash Muslim women's feet on Holy Thursday and prolonged periods of kneeling at ecumenical programs to credibly make this case.
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