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Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by non sum dignus, Aug 13, 2017.

  1. Excellent, Praetorian... spot on!
     
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  2. jackzokay

    jackzokay Angels

    Seriously!?

    Take a closer look: America is a modern day killing machine.
    The rest of the world are terrified of your leaders.
    You supply waponry by the bucketload: indiscriminate killing machinery and then go and supply it to tyrants for profit.
    The world doesn't know what your leaders are going to do next; which nation you're going to attack.
    And by the way, I'm not a raving terrorist or anything, in fact I love America- I've visited many times. But your leaders are bringing Gods disappointment upon you. And make no mistake, I do not support those awful cowards who attack through terrorism.

    ....really, take a long hard look at the actions of your leaders on the world stage. I'm not anti-Trump or pro Obama or anything. I simply feel your leaders over generations have let you down.

    Obama dropped something like a bomb every 90 seconds of his last year in office; while over the same time period Putin paid off the last of the Russian international debt. Who's the threat??? Think about it.

    Loyalty isn't defined as blindly following your leaders no matter what. Loyalty is questioning serious actions, which are oftentimes required. Yes, sometimes America - like all countries, must defend itself. And it helped greatly in the defeat of nazism. That is not in dispute.

    Oh, and America dropping two nukes on 2 cities with no economic nor military significance - wiping out millions of innocent people in the process was not done in the name of my freedom.

    Why oh why must America engage in so many wars?
    What is the point?
     
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  3. jackzokay

    jackzokay Angels

    And by the way, I'm not hurling mud. I'm not in the business of hurling mud. It's simply the truth....
     
  4. jackzokay

    jackzokay Angels

    In relation to WW2, this is one of the single most interesting reads that I have ever come across. I would highly recommend everyone reads it.
    It gives insight into Fatima, our lady, and has relevance to political leadership and the movers and shakers in WW2 as well as insight into how easily we the masses can be duped.

    http://www.realnews247.com/rakovsky_interrogation.htm
     
  5. Don_D

    Don_D Powers

    Spot on.

    The reason China is the threat and has been for a great many years is simple Jack. They are communists. A great example is looking at the Catholic Church there. On the face of it one thinks oh this is wonderful, Catholicism in China is growing, and this IS good. However, the communists there have only allowed this because they have stacked the deck with regard to the church. Its leadership are members they have chosen. They keep a tight grip over the Church and its members.

    One thing that is easy to overlook are the decades of partnership America has had with China economically. We have taken this road so as to avoid a war with them. As China has grown in economic prosperity it has continued to peruse its communist goals. Pushing into Latin America via Venezuela and threatening the defensive umbrella the US has put into place in the Western Pacific. Anyone remember the US plane forced to land in China? The Chinese spies caught stealing intel in the US?

    Now, we see NK with nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them to the continental US as well as to any of it's neighbors. Read about the long history of barbarism and genocide of these nations and one will find that given the chance NK would nuke Japan into oblivion. Just look at its rhetoric toward them after firing missiles over their homeland with no warning! Causing Japanese people to hide in shelters for fear of being attacked. China is the neighbor of this nation and ought to be the one leading the charge to maintain peace. Instead, they use empty platitudes in the UN and are using NK as a dog on a chain to threaten and probe the defensive capabilities of the allied nations. Clearly China has no intention of loosening its grip or abandoning its goals of spreading communism throughout the world. Just as Russia did. So yes, China is the threat.

    Unless you would rather see a world where our wives are forced to abort our children and at any moment you or I could be hauled off to a wall and shot for speaking against the state.
     
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  6. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Yes "seriously".
    Your "arguments" are hardly even worth responding to.
    As I said America has many faults and has done many wrong things, but it is people like you who make it sound like we are a land of hateful murderers.
    Do we have corrupt leaders? Do we have abortion, pornography, etc.? Of course we do but so do most nations on the Earth.

    Why don't you mention that America is ranked the most generous nation in the world in terms of what we give to the poor?

    Why don't you ask the South Koreans if they like their freedom of if they would rather live under the North Korean regime?

    Why don't you ask all of Western Europe, The U.K. and Ireland if they would enjoy living under a Fascist or Communist dictatorship run by Germany or the Soviet Union?

    Why don't you ask the peoples of Southeastern Asia, Australia and New Zealand if they would like to have been living as a part of the Japanese Empire for the last century?

    Why don't you ask the people of the Caribbean countries if they are thankful for all of the American aid when they are destroyed time and again by hurricanes?

    Why don't you ask all of the many countries who receive huge amounts of monetary aid annually if they would rather not have it?

    Why don't you ask the peoples of Southeastern Asia who were hit by that giant Tsunami in the early 2000's if they would rather not have had the American aid we sent to them?

    Why don't you ask the Kuwaiti's if they would have liked to have been absorbed by Saddaam Hussein?

    Has America made mistakes? Yes we have. Many of them. But so has every other country in the world. We are not the horrible bullies and thugs you make us out to be though. There is a reason people are clambering to get into this country. No one is clambering to go live in Russia or China. People aren't risking their lives to go live in dictatorships.

    In a similar vein to what Churchill once said about democracy, I would say America is the worst nation in the world, except for all of the others.
     
  7. Mary's child

    Mary's child Archangels

    Praetorian and Don_D, thank you for the accuracy and spot on answers. (y). I do not believe that it could have been said any better. :whistle:
     
  8. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I am confident that things will pass as this message to Jennifer details www.wordsfromjesus.com
    5/22/12
    7:43 PM


    My child, I say to My children that mankind relies too much upon himself and it is there that you become the victim of your own sinfulness. Heed to the Commandments My children for they are your entrance into the kingdom.

    I weep today My children but it is those who are failing to heed to My warnings that will weep tomorrow. The winds of spring will turn into the rising dust of summer as the world will begin to look more like a desert.

    Before mankind is able to change the calendar of this time you will have witnessed the financial collapse. It is only those who heed to My warnings that will be prepared. The North will attack the South as the two Koreas become at war with each other.

    Jerusalem will shake, America will fall and Russia will unite with China to become Dictators of the new world. I plead in warnings of love and mercy for I am Jesus and the hand of justice is soon to prevail.
     
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  9. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Yes, the US has had really bad leaders the past many years and they have appeased the communist countries will mega billions $$$$$ to help build what is now threatening the world. But it has a leader now that is saying enough!! He is not a perfect man by any standard, but he will no longer appease the brutal regimes in the world as Obama did along with his evil accomplices in the House and Senate. Whatever happens has been in the Masonic plan for 300 years now and it is coming to fruition quickly. God has a plan that will stomp out this evil, but man will cause his own demise in this first tribulation and God will clean it all up in the 2nd tribulation after the Warning and Miracle and into the era of peace and Divine Will.
     
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  10. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    The cold hard truth is that if the US didn't sell bucket loads of arms for profit some other country would step in to fill the gap in the market.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...iggest-arms-dealer-in-the-world-a7225351.html
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41237812
    The real evil is proxy wars. The UN is praised for bringing us world peace but the wars continue using proxies in unstable countries and all the powerful countries have their proxies.
     
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  11. jackzokay

    jackzokay Angels

    Don, dolours, Fatima, praetorian...

    please don't misconstrue me. The great GREAT American people I respect and adore. Your people were, and remain a great hope to the world. Your soldiers, like ours, gave their lives for freedom.
    Nevertheless, it is my opinion that your leaders have been infiltrated by some form of evil; corruption, greed, menace ....I don't know what it is.
    But they no longer work in the interests of you, the people.

    You're not alone in this. My country, Ireland, has been usurped also. And I no longer consider myself Irish - far fetched, yes. But so ashamed of the moral decay in my country that I have disowned it. For example, marriage has been attacked and redefined. Theres an assault on our babies and they're pushing so very hard for abortion. There are many many other examples such as the attack on the poor, the push for euthanasia etc. Many are duped. And many go along with these as 'advancements' and 'rights'... There are only few who detest these courses and pray to God for intervention.

    If we look at America; are things any different????

    Babies are aborted right up till 9 months in the womb. You don't need me to tell you that the king of heaven doesn't take to kindly to this.

    To flippantly state that 'if America didn't sell bucketloads of arms, someone else would', makes it okay dolours? Really? This is how you square the manufacture and distribution of such sophisticated artillery that it indiscriminately murders the children of other countries. Shame.
    Shame. Shame. Shame.

    Fatima, I hope you're right about Trump. His predecessors, be they republican or democrat, were brutal. But the medias contempt for trump at least gives me hope.

    Praetorian, American and European aid is minuscule compared with MILITARY SPENDING. What do you really think the west does with aid?! ...the pittance the west gives is often accompanied by ideological preconditions such as forcing countries to introduce abortion on demand. I can't believe your naivety on this. Research the subject. Please.
    And you state that I should ask Kuwait if they would like to have been absorbed by saddam. Go ask Iraq AND THE ENTIRE REGION how they're enjoying American democracy. Really!? I MEAN REALLY!

    Don, on North Korea, it is Russia and China that are urging restraint. They are promoting diplomacy. It is the US that are Rattling sabres as usual. OPEN YOUR EYES MAN!

    It is my opinion that if the trend of your leaders - with their long and continued backgrounds in secret societies, is not checked - then this dark, secretive mucky path will lead us to the mother of all wars. Jeez, our blessed mother warned us about secret societies, yet you fail to adequately question the background your presidents are steeped in, and recruited from.

    Lads, if something's wrong; it's wrong. It doesn't matter if it's an Irish wrong, a European wrong or an American wrong. Wrong is wrong. And it should not be backed by blind patriotism.

    Come on, please take a long hard critical look at things. Put things right.
    The world needs the real America back.
     
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  12. Steve79

    Steve79 New Member

    @jackzokay
    I share your opinion.
    It doesn´t matter which country you are looking at. The governments do what they do not because they are interested in what is the best for the people, they do what lobbyists want them to do. Here in Germany it´s obvious for more and more people, looking at their own government.
    Especially foreign policy is for reaching own interests, not for bringing democracy, freedom or peace.
    By regarding national laws, in Europe it seems that the eastern part is really more christian than germany, france and other western countries. For example abortion or homosexuality is restricted in Hungary, Poland, Russia.
    In Germany if you critize such issues you are claimed to be a nazi.
     
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  13. jackzokay

    jackzokay Angels

    There's a local catholic newsletter produced by the church here in Ireland. It's called 'alive' (it can probably be read online - it's fantastic) it covers many issues and talks of the 'group think' tendencies of government organisations such as our national tv broadcaster here in Ireland, RTE. But the BBC, universities,, newspapers.... practically every organisation I can think of all promote the same group-think ethos. And should an individual dare to go against their group-think ideals; then woe to them. The individual in question will feel their wrath.

    Its getting more and more difficult to call a spade a spade these days.

    The media back it all up. The American media, for example, have historically and recurrently vilified many nations, and has a lot to answer for. They attacked Iraq after being whipped-up by a lying media on grounds of that country having WMD: and subsequently found none! The average American is paranoid about getting attacked by china or Russia or whoever. But who really would attack America?
    The Japs got battered for it in 1945. Afghanistan got annihilated for being suspected of it after 911.

    Meanwhile, back in the world where national paranoia isn't the driving force:
    - Russia pays-off its national debt (just last year).
    - China thrives financially.
    And America? Well, she continues to spend more and more on war machinery and continues also to accumulate masses and masses of debt, enslaving its future generations and causing continued hardship via austerity.

    I think all that I am asking is that America and its people pause, and take time to reflect on another way. There must be a better way...
     
  14. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    If you are saying that the U.S. suffers from horrible moral decay then you are correct. But that is no different from any other nation. No better or worse. In fact I would say we might not be as far gone as Europe is in that respect. I don't think anyone would dispute you if that were your only point. I have stated this myself many times. For some reason you seemed to be singling America out as worse than everyone else. A warmongering nation. That is not true.
     
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  15. Steve79

    Steve79 New Member

    Sorry Praetorian for interfere in here.

    Be sure I don´t want to criticise you as a nation. How could I as a german whose ancestos has made big historical mistakes. America surely isn´t a warmongering nation by itself.
    But it seems that lobbyists of the military industry complex or those who want to have a cheap access on natural ressources, often have used your military power to get what they want. Not every war is well founded by this but some of them.

    Globalresearch: America Has Been at War 93% of the Time
     
  16. AED

    AED Powers

    I don't dismiss what you say out of hand. It troubles me because I love my country dearly. My son died serving my country. But I would be blind not to know how far we have strayed and how deeply we have offended God. I do believe Trump's election was a mitigation of the chastisement. His enemies seem to be those aligned lockstep against God's commandments. But our president needs MUCH prayer because he is up against the dragon himself and I don't think he realizes it.

    I am so alarmed at Ireland. How fast and how far it has fallen. Ireland!! It was always held up to me as Catholic Ireland home of saints and scholars where the faith endured in spite of " dungeon fire and sword". This to me is a chilling sign of the times we are in. We all need to pray and sacrifice for our nations who were once Christian. Bad bad times!!
     
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  17. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Archangels

    Agreed, AED
    Also
    The New World Order will have no national boundaries
    It is in the Luciferian plan to destroy nations one way or another
    We needn't quibble
    We see the signs everywhere
    They manifest economically
    Spiritually
    Emotionally
    Physical health
    You name it
    The tentacles of evil have been entrenched for the past 100 years
    Since Pope Leo XIII had a vision on the altar about Satan receiving permission from the Lord to trouble the earth
    Then almost no one listened to Our Lady at Fatima when she gave us the remedies
    Yes, we do need to pray for our nations
    Most certainly
     
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  18. jackzokay

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  19. jackzokay

    jackzokay Angels

    Believe me, I'm am not taking cheap shots at your country.

    My own country has been infiltrated too. The frustrating thing is, it's the hearts and minds of ordinary people that have been lost. I come from a big Catholic family. I am the only one practising my faith.
    The pews are empty in Ireland.
     
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  20. AED

    AED Powers

    You can repeat that all across the Catholic landscape in the US and Canada too. I don't know why I thought Ireland would be exempt. My elderly relatives always spoke with love of Ireland and its Catholic heritage so it left a powerful impression. Easy answer though to a hard fact. It is the Apostasy. Plain and simple. And so fast. That's what I can't get over. Great article from Emmett O'Reagan on what is going on right now eschatalogically. Well worth reading.
     
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