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Economic collapse?

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by non sum dignus, Aug 13, 2017.

  1. non sum dignus

    non sum dignus New Member

    I care much more about our spiritual health but the frenzy for Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, especially in times of crisis, has the potential of destabilizing the world's economies.

    Japan is pouring assets into Bitcoin and it went up to $4,135.00..

    If large investors continue to pull funds from established investments and currencies, and then Bitcoin collapses, the results would be devastating.

    "The digital currency has now quadrupled in 2017, and is up about 40 percent in August alone. Bitcoin's market value is now around $64 billion, up about $10 billion in the last week.

    Bitcoin trade in Japanese yen accounted for nearly 46 percent of global trade volume, up from about a third a day ago, according to CryptoCompare. US-dollar bitcoin trade accounted for about 25 percent, according to CryptoCompare. Bitcoin trade in Chinese yuan and South Korean won accounted for about 12 percent each."

    Litecoin has soared fromunder $4.00 five months ago to over $47.00.

    "24 hours ago the cryptocurrency was trading below $3,700. About an hour ago it surged passed $4,000 and has no signs of stopping. It’s now trading around $4,135.00. For reference, a week ago Bitcoin hit an all-time high as it passed $3,000 for the first time."

    It has doubled in the last month. It was $.06 in 2010, $574 one year ago, $4,000+ now.

    Warnings of illusionary wealth come to mind.

    https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/12/bitcoin-just-passed-4000/

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/12/bit...japan-and-multiplying-its-value-fourfold.html
     
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  2. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    It all means little to me, as the global currencies are about to collapse and the aftermath of that will be no buying, selling or trading without the implanted chip.
     
  3. non sum dignus

    non sum dignus New Member

    I have not seen an approved apparition which mentions an implanted chip.
     
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  4. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    If you are waiting for an "approved" message for everything to come, it will be to late for you to understand what God is revealing. Scripture speaks often about God working through his prophets, his messengers, but no where does it say anything about them having to be "approved". Rather he say's test prophecy and keep what is good. If one cannot discern the prophetic consensus, I highly suggest pray for this gift with an open heart to hear his word from his current messengers. Messengers have spiritual directors (holy priests) who discern in the light of scripture, and church teachings before messages are released for the rest of us to pray about. If scripture attests to his church that he will speaks through his prophets, his messengers, then it is the will of God that it be this way and to close ones mind and heart to what God wants us to understand would be a mistake, as it was in the day's of Noah and the day's of Lot. A few of the messengers that speak on the chip who have spiritual directors are Luz de Maria http://afterthewarning.com/messages-from-heaven/light-of-mary.aspx, Jennifer http://wordsfromjesus.com/, Verne Dagenais www.godspeakswillyoulisten.or just to name a few.
     
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  5. Verne dagenais

    Verne dagenais Principalities

    It takes no private revelation to see the signs of the times. Taking a chip into your body, allows the possibility of mind control and complete monitoring by the authorities. This should be enough of a reason to not partake of implantable microchips. Once this gains acceptance and with the move for the elimination of cash,
    it is an easy step to implement complete control and eliminate those who reject this system. I am glad God has informed us beforehand about possible events, if mankind does not repent.
     
  6. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Archangels

    Plus, it is mentioned in the Book of Revelation
    Revelation13:16
    "And he causeth all......to be marked on the right hand or the forehead. "
    There are business groups now who are microchipping their workers
    Three Square Market, in Wisconsin, is the one I am thinking of
    Why are you incredulous?
     
  7. Mario

    Mario Powers

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  8. Harper

    Harper New Member

    Fatima,

    I often agree with you, but I'd like to point out that merely having an alleged seer say he/she has a spiritual director is not at all a guarantee of authenticity.
    The person behind Locutions to the World claimed to have the guidance of a very famous priest (and probably did for a while) but that did not mean the messages were genuine. Charlie Johnston repeatedly claimed to be vetted by three Opus Dei priests (that turned out to not be the case) but that didn't stop the archdiocese of Denver from declaring his visions regarding 2016-2017 "inaccurate" and telling Catholics not to condone or reinterpret them. Just having a spiritual director isn't enough. Would you accept a new seer who appeared and claimed to have a world-famous Jesuit director backing the messages if you found out it was Fr. James Martin?

    As for timing, God set up His church and gave it authority to guide people on matters of faith and morals. Why would He give the world important messages without allowing His church time to interpret them and then instruct His children? "You need to act right now" seems more like high-pressure salesmanship. Can anyone cite an authentic visionary who said such a thing?
     
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  9. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I agree that having a spiritual director is not complete assurance of infallibility and I never said as much. That would be naive to say the least. But, a spiritual director that is sound in faith and morals can surely help discern that one is on the right track spiritually. Why would God give the world messages without allowing the church time to interpret them and instruct his children? It simple, to warn his faithful children what his plans are as scripture attests to, "for surely the Lord God does nothing without revealing his plans to his prophets, his messengers" Amos 3:7. Every baptized person has the gift of understanding the mind and will of God through the light of the Holy Spirit. The three children of Fatima didn't have a spiritual director, nor did their own priest believe them at first. Yet, they did not feel they needed to wait for the Church to tell them that what they were being told would need Church approval before they express to anyone who would listen what they were being told. 70,000 people came on October 13th to mock the children who had not been "approved by the church" and were treated to the miracle of the sun. It was the same for Bernadette at Lourdes or a number of any other messengers who were persecuted by authorities within and outside the church for speaking what had not "been approved" while waiting time for the church to discern. Jesus did not say anything about his prophets messages needed approval, as you say, by the church before they were to speak what was being given. Having a spiritual director simply helps the messenger in his journey while receiving messages.
     
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  10. Harper

    Harper New Member

    Fatima,

    With all due respect (sincerely), Sister Lucia said we would be in a time of diabolical disorientation. The rise of a host of seers and messengers, all claiming a mandate from Heaven, many proclaiming imminent disaster, some insisting people act at once, is one sign of that. It is the devil's attempt to increase the noise level so genuine messages are drowned out or diminished.

    The three children at Fatima were given messages for the People of God with specific instructions for the Church to take specified action. The children and their parents deferred to their priest and bishop, they were not free agents, they never acted or spoke against priests or bishops. They did not even claim to see the Blessed Mother, only a beautiful woman (my recollection, so not Gospel:) The Miracle of the Sun was for the People of God and most of all for their Shepherds, a sign from God. The same at Lourdes, there were no claims except a beautiful woman had appeared. Bernadette did not act outside the purview of the Church, the message was very important in the development of doctrine, "I am the Immaculate Conception." The spring was a sign of authenticity and a gift to the faithful.

    The Vatican clearly lays out guidelines to help pastors (and others) discern the many, many messages and messengers that stir up people. The norms are here:
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...cfaith_doc_19780225_norme-apparizioni_en.html

    The Bible warns against "itching ears" which has been interpreted by some as undue curiosity or chasing after "the next new thing."

    2Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine. 3For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: 4And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables.
    -2 Timothy 4:2
     
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  11. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Harper, what I can say is I know not everyone has been given the same gifts from God. Some have been given the gift of prophecy, I have not. I have a few good friends who have. Some have been given the grace to interpret prophecy and some to understand. Some have not.

    I know people on the MOB who have been given one or more of the above. Rather then trying to convince anyone of how I think towards any of them, suffice it to say God is working in his Church in all of the above. It is not my job to convince those who do not believe to believe in something they have not been given.

    For anyone who has not been given prophetic gifts it is not for them to understand, for those who have they are convicted to pass on what they have been given.

    Some who thought they were messengers from God found out they were lacking and fell short of what they thought was from God. There is no doubt in my mind God is using more than a few messengers in these most critical moments in history. He has always done this and oddly enough most of them are not listened to.......as it was in the days of Noah and Lot.

    What I can tell anyone is to pray for these gifts of discernment and perhaps the Holy Spirit will give what your heart desires. If one is into sensationalism they will be deceived. God knows who he wants to use and some cooperate and some get pridefull and fall.

    Bottom line is, "do not despise prophecy, but test all".
     
  12. MMM

    MMM Principalities

    I'm not putting my faith in regular money or digital money. Bitcoin could be a big missed opportunity but until I can pay my bills and buy groceries (and beer:))with it I'm not interested.

    Do you really have anything of value either way? The elite will find a way to crush bitcoin (and the others) and take over digital money with their own, everyone must use cryptocurrency.
     
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  13. Mario

    Mario Powers

    This https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dollars-slide-way-trump-everyone-take-notice-185116126.html

    This is huge! Russia and China no longer use the dollar for transactions between their two countries and China is wooing Saudi Arabia to do the same.

    This is not some fringe website sharing this update, but the MSM!

    Let me make this clear! Such actions weaken the dollar as the world's reserve currency and if it spreads much further the US economy will collapse.:eek::eek::sick:

    Lord have mercy!


    Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
     
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  14. AED

    AED Powers

    Yikes.
     
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  15. Don_D

    Don_D Powers

    This is how WW's are started. China is the threat, not NK. They have been stacking the deck for years and will soon lay their cards on the table.
     
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  16. Don_D

    Don_D Powers

    BTW, SA won't abandon the dollar. Not if they want the multi billion $$ arms deals that have recently been made with them.
     
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  17. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Don,

    What you say makes sense, but the USA must be brought to its knees for a world government to arise. The collapse of the dollar would be the least destructive means to that end.

    Safe in the Father's Arms!
     
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  18. Don_D

    Don_D Powers

    We are on our knees now IMO. Look at what has happened to two US destroyers in the Pacific in the last few months. Look at the Navy crew captured by Iran. Look at our leadership in DC. I don't think we can get much weaker and stay afloat personally.
     
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  19. jackzokay

    jackzokay Angels

    China is the threat?!? Really? I'll very likely be labelled a troll and worse for this but I'm sorry, it used to be Iran. Afghanistan. Iraq. Venezuela. Libya. Cuba. Couple of nukes dropped on Japan. Korea. Russia. Lebanon... the list is endless. The cold hard fact is that it is America who is the ovearching threat to world peace. Why do many Americans fail to see this? Since the end of WW2 America has bombed more countries than all the other countries of the world combined.

    Oh, but it's now China.
    The plank in your eye and the splinter in your brothers eye come to mind.

    Mother of God help us!!!
     
  20. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    America is not a nation of saints by any means. It is true we have been involved in many conflicts in the past 100 years. For the most part however our involvement has been either in self-defense or in the defense of others from Fascism, Communism and other forms of totalitarianism. I am no huge fan of some of the things my country has done, but I can't sit by and watch you hurl mud at the great sacrifice of the many thousands who gave their lives defending your freedom. Europe would have spent the past 100 years under the Nazi or Communist jackboot if it weren't for U.S. soldiers. Maybe you should think about that before you go making unfounded accusations. I feel much safer with the U.S. having nuclear weapons than I would with any of the other countries you listed above.

    Oh and that comment you made about the U.S. nuking Japan. We were attacked remember and they refused to surrender. Selective memory.
     
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