Discussion in 'GARABANDAL LIBRARY' started by sponsa Christi, May 21, 2017.
I have several, several reasons for believing the Apparitions in Garabandal were from heaven. I read through the entire thread entitled "Garabandal Info & Answers" and read every free online book on the subject and I might have watched every video related also. I know that Glenn Hudson has a list of prophecies that have come true already, you will find this on the thread I mentioned.
I think that you believe in them already, correct? This is just my opinion but if you are trying to convince someone who is not interested in studying the apparitions for themselves then I think that you will have a very difficult time doing so. I may be wrong in stating this, please forgive me if that is that case, but I believe that you are trying to convert family members and may be friends also. I am no expert but I believe that you will be the greatest example to your family and friends. My additional advice is to try and discuss the approved sites with them and other known miracles or "proof" for non-believers, for example, the Shroud of Turin, The Tilma from Our Lady of Guadalupe, St. Joseph's staircase, etc. This site includes articles on some of the miraculous things that I mentioned. http://infallible-catholic.blogspot.com/2012/03/miraculous-staircase-of-saint-joseph.html . Time magazine has done issues entitled "Miracles" which include mainly Catholic related stories. It would be great to get a copy of one of those and just leave it laying around your home for your family to peruse or if that is unavailable, check out some books on the things I mention from the library and sort of slip them under their noses. OR you could create your own report on these things, include pictures and a brief description of each item. Then you can share it with family and friends as an accomplishment of your own. Best wishes to you.
The greatest miracle occurs every time Mass is celebrated but I know you know that already. God bless you.
I don't believe or disbelieve in Garabandal, Akita, Medjugorje or any other NOT approved apparition, prophecy or seer. I will certainly hear and see what's there and think about it. If they sound reasonable to me and appear to help others "Along There Way" all fine and good. I'll hold final judgement until the Church approves or condemns. I do believe in APPROVED apparitions, prophecy or seers... BUT .... REMEMBER! .... The Church does NOT require ANYONE to believe in the above but only asserts that The Church considers the approved ones worthy of belief. My biggest problem is folks that become so obsessed with some NOT approved "item" that they broadcast their beliefs as if "written in stone", don't advertize that the "item" is NOT approved and become angry, argumentative and down right nasty when others point out the NOT approved status. We have plenty of approved "items" so why waste time on NOT approved ....Eh!!!??
Personally, I think The Divine Mercy Message is where it's at .... especially "These days".
GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
I chose the "I would be careful" option, and await the Church's decision.
1) Garabandal had the full support of three saints who knew in detail the messages of Garabandal (St. Padre Pio, Pope St. John Paul, St. Mother Teresa of Calcutta).
2) All the miracles that took place there.
3) Fits within the prophetic consensus and scripture.
4) The holiness that Conchita continues to live.
5) What my own study, heart and prayer life tells me about Garabandal.
Crew Dog & others, lets not list Garabandal as ' Not approved", because in FACT , it is "waiting to be approved" after the prophecied Miracle day. If it was "not approved" , the Vatican has had over 50 years to condemn it, or make a negative statement, and they have done neither. " Not approved" sounds like its been decided already,and obviously it hasn't. ( maybe add the word "yet". )
* Actually its 5 Saints : St.s Pio, John Paul II, Mother Teresa, Jose Marie Escriva, and Mother Maravillas. Not to mention a 6th is in the making with Blessed Pope Paul VI , who was the most approving and vocal of all .
See, I am behind the 8 ball All the more reason to not question the validity of Garabandal!
I will hold my tongue but the church not saying something for 50 years means a lot.
It means that they were given the date of the Miracle, and are prudently waiting for it, before declaring final judgment.
Ya, it means it will take the right pope at the right moment to declare Garabandal's apparitions and messages to be of God, just as it took over 50 years before the right pope and the right time gave the Church the Divine Mercy recognition.
Not looking to get in an argument Glen, but not approved is exactly what Garabandal is.
The time period since the apparitions does not mean it is simply waiting for approval and it is a matter of time - as you seem to suggest. We only have to look at the apparitions in Lipa and seeing how they were condemned almost 70 years after they started, even with bishop approval at one point, as proof of that.
I disagree for the simple FACT that Conchita has met with the Vatican TWICE, both times being received well. So I feel it is correct to say that since the vatican knows the date , they too are waiting to make a final judgment. " Not approved" sounds like a final judgment has been rendered, and it hasn't.
“ BLESSED “ POPE PAUL VI QUOTES ON GARABANDAL
“ Conchita, I bless you and with me the whole church will bless you “.
Pope Paul VI had shown a very special interest in the apparitions. At an audience given to Fr. Xavier Escalda, S.J., the latter mentioned there were many opponents of the apparitions even amongst his own people. His Holiness promptly rejoined:
"It doesn't matter; tell these gentlemen that it is the Pope who has said that it is most important and most urgent to make these messages known to the world."
Father Escalada explained his work in spreading the message of Garabandal in Mexico and the Pope Paul VI encouraged him to continue saying: "These messages must be made known." Father Escalada asked the Pope for his permission to continue promoting Garabandal and the Pope said “YES”. Pope Paul VI said :
"It is the most beautiful story of humanity since the days of Christ. It is like a second life of the Virgin on earth. And we can never be grateful enough for it."
, "Jacinta, I am with you, but we have to pray much and have much patience . . : it. is necessary to pray that the Church will become aware of the importance of Garabandal."
None of the above sounds like " not approved".
I have always believed that Garabandal is 100% authentic.
Right now it is about the only thing that will divert some from the path to damnation.
Messages to Eduardo
MESSAGE OF OUR LADY
May 13, 2017. São José dos Pinhais / PR
Peace, peace, peace, I beseech you at the end of this afternoon, my children.
I am your Mother the Lady of the Rosary, Mystical Rose.
It is with joy that I come down from heaven to be closer to each one of you. I love you.
If you pray my children, peace will come upon humanity.
Pray, pray, pray many rosaries as families and also in churches.
I call upon each one of you once again to be part of this great army already in order for battle.
I ask you to be witnesses to these apparitions, which are already coming to an end.
My children, every time you come here, I your Mother have my arms open to tell you:
- trust in my intercession.
My children, remember today my apparition in the Cova da Iria at Fatima to the three little shepherds.
These little shepherds who give each one of you a great example of courage, prayer and total trust in Me.
If you do not yet have them as an example, take them as a good example today.
Before me are these great saints.
I invite you once again to live out my messages every day.
Put them into practice.
Give good testimonies as true Christians.
Take the rosary in your hands and pray every day.
Pray for the Pope and also for priests.
Pray, pray, pray.
I am very sad when I see one of you criticizing them.
Pray and do penance for them. The evil one tempts them daily.
My children, I am the Mystical Rose - Queen of Peace.
Listen to my voice crying out for peace in the world.
Pray for Venezuela, France, Mexico and Brazil, this country that I love so much.
My son, make this message public:
- The sign that God will give you on the mountain of Garabandal will be a warning signal to humanity. It will be a sign to call you to conversion.
It will be a sign for the purification of men.
The sign that God will give you on the hill of Medjugorje will be a proof of the love that I have for each one of you.
There is no need to wait for these two great signs to convert, to turn to God.
Return this very day to the arms of Him who loves you and wants you near to Him.
Little children, I am here with open arms. I love you.
Work in order that this work might grow every day, for in grace it is already immense.
You must recognize this my children.
Come quickly to be next to this Mother.
I look at each of you this early evening.
I Intercede for each one of you.
Be bringers of peace. Sow peace wherever you go.
Go quickly to those who do not know Me. To those who are distancing themselves from God's eyes.
Pray, pray, pray very much, my children.
Again I repeat:
Do not seek God where He is not.
Ask the Holy Spirit for discernment.
With love I bless you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
I completely believe in Garabandal. Also, feel the Warning is coming very soon.
Glenn, do you know if there is any truth to this? My, what a time we are living in.
I voted to be careful but I always tend to lean toward this until the Church has given it's decision. We know that many Saints were very supportive of it as well as Popes too which as Glenn and others have pointed out should give us some basis in understanding.
On a personal level I do think that it is worthy of belief and I was pretty undecided on this until I watched an interview with Conchita who spoke about the time of doubt she went through. For some reason this really rang out to me. Here is a woman who experienced these apparitions and messages who also was afflicted afterward. She has no reason to tell us this other than the fact that she is honest. It speaks volumes about her character.
Yes, Mother Nieves was very close to Conchita. Secondly Conchita was very quick to also say she FIRMLY believes in everything that happened to her, and has NEVER recanted that since the 1980s interview.
Yes this most importantly, forgive me for not making that clear because it is truly most important.
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