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Divine Will revisited.

Discussion in 'Consecration to Mary.' started by josephite, Apr 29, 2016.

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  1. KP1983

    KP1983 New Member

    Btw, isn't Mark's book called " the final confrontation"? Shouldn't it be renamed "the second to last confrontation"? After all, we have a confrontation now between the church and anti-church, followed by a 1,000 year golden age, with ANOTHER confrontation afterwards. The title of the book is very misleading.
     
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  2. Bill Simpson

    Bill Simpson Guest

    KP1983,
    You have seen about a week ago that Stephen kept pushing the point about the Antichrist coming as the final persecution but Mark and others didnt seem to agree that final really does mean final. Mark does actually also think Antichrist comes before the millenium-you know in his own magisterium of sorts. By the way he kept repeating the same quotes of the early Fathers, I was wondering if he was being paid every time he mentioned them!
    For anyone arguing that the jews convert before the millennium that is utterly wrong. Its why St Bernard of Clairvaux in his Consideratione ( a book of advice for popes), he told Eugene III that he didnt need to concern himself with the conversion of the Jews because that is reserved for a specific time at the end of salvation history. That is why the Church does not to this day actively push a missionary drive towards them. They remain part of God's Covenant and will (as St Paul taught) convert bring with them the reusrrection of the dead. Its biblical, its Tradition and its Magisterial. The Jews convert at the end of the world aided by Enoch and Elijah. Anyone who argues against this is frankly on very dangerous ground indeed.
     
  3. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Btw, isn't Mark's book called " the final confrontation"? Shouldn't it be renamed "the second to last confrontation"?

    Not if one is concentrating only on this current era which will end and be followed by the Era promised in scripture of Satan's chaining. Thus one of logical thinking understands the necessity for delineation. Both "confrontations" are final to the specific era in which they occur and both will be similar with the same antagonists only with the understanding that the era before the final judgement will be even more horrendous. The one confronting us in this era has been elaborated upon via the Holy Spirit in the accepted revelations by God through His mother and in showing us the means for preparation for this coming era of His Divine Will being accomplished among creatures as promised in His Son's perfect prayer to the Father. One simply cannot have the one without the other coming prior to its later complete finality for the world and creatures. Fr. Iannuzzi has a sourced explanation of the similarities and differences between the two, and it's a short book, easily digested without much trouble. One can learn a bit more if one is truly of good will about the subject.
     
  4. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    That's why the Era of Peace is horrific

    If that's what you believe then I'm afraid you have been badly informed about this Era. It is impossible for this Era of living in the Divine Will to include such persons who will be abusers...of anyone. That would be completely against its very nature. That's why the term "remnant" is used for those even able to pass into this completely renewed earth (via the Holy Spirit), not as yet completely obliterated btw as in the final judgement, since all those entering themselves will have also been "recreated" (via the Holy Spirit). It is an era of love with no memory or desire of such of the former era....unless you believe the mission of our Lady means nothing in her bringing about this promised era, with the Father's permission and power. And any envisioned "organized institutional Church" of the sorts recognized today will simply not exist. Any conversion by anyone will be one to the Truth as revealed to all whether they are ready to accept it or not.
     
  5. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    KP1983, I think I see what you and others on this thread are missing. Mark Mallett, Peter B. and my own chronology of events do not differ, but here is what I see you are missing. It all comes down to ones limited understanding of the Second Coming. You seem to adhere to this period as only taking place at the end of the world preceding the final/general judgement. I would like to expand on the Second Coming as it has more than one meaning, using a resource I quote often, as I contend it is a valuable gift from God for these times of discernment. This book will freak some out of reading it, because it is not 'approved' by the Church. Nonetheless, it has been reviewed by priests and theologians who have acknowledged nothing in it is contrary to our Catholic faith. For your discernment:
    https://www.scribd.com/doc/22505473/God-Speaks-Will-You-Listen

    09/04/07 A.M. "My son, write and ponder on these words as I have given them to you. Read Luke 18:8. But yet the Son of Man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you faith on earth? Ponder on these words for many days. What do these words mean? The first meaning refers to my second coming in the flesh at the end of time. This is not the time in which you live. But there are other meanings to this verse. A second meaning refers to my Eucharistic Presence. After my ascension into heaven, I made the promise: I will be with you all days, even to the consummation of the world. Matthew 28:20. This verse is fulfilled by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit received at baptism, at confirmation, and in the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist. You receive my body, blood, soul and divinity during each Holy mass with the Holy Eucharist. My son, I come to the earth every day sacramentally through the Eucharist. Now re-read those words. But yet the Son of Man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you faith on earth? Today I come to you in my Eucharistic presence.

    A third meaning of this verse occurs with the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. My spirit with the brightness of my coming, will cast Satan, his demons, and those who refuse my grace, into hell, and mankind will enter an era of peace. What will the era be like? It will be the fulfillment of my Father’s will through my Eucharistic reign in my Holy Catholic Church. Ponder these words, for my people are being deceived by an angel of light. Satan does not care how he traps your soul, he will use whatever method he must. My Eucharistic presence in your life will protect and preserve your soul from the deception and lies of Satan. For truly it is the fulfillment of the Old Testament which states, “I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” Be my people of the Holy Eucharist and enter my era of peace. Start today. The hour is late. Live in my peace today. Do not wait until tomorrow, for tomorrow may be too late for your soul. These are the words of the Lord".

    So you can see from this, that indeed the Jews and all those living in the world will have an opportunity for conversion at the time of the great Warning. What follows is the era of the Beast than the coming of Christ (in a new profound Eucharistc presence ) and the era of peace.
     
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  6. Daniel O'Connor

    Daniel O'Connor Jesus, I Trust in You. Thy Will be Done.

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  7. KP1983

    KP1983 New Member

    Fatima, this is all nonsense, I'm sorry. You have two second comings, two final antichrists, jews being saved without the sacraments and without being invincibly ignorant, and ultimately two magisteriums-- Rome and yourself.

    We've given magisterial evidence again and again to show your beliefs are false, and showed that Mark Mallett takes his quotes waaaaaayyyyy out of context to support his view.

    If you want to set yourself up as your own magisterium, why bother being catholic? There are traditional looking protestant groups you can join.
     
  8. KP1983

    KP1983 New Member

    And Mark, I'm still waiting for a direct answer about us Jews during the Era of Peace but BEFORE our final conversion. Can we be saved while rejecting Jesus while no longer being invincibly ignorant? Please address this directly.
     
  9. Rain

    Rain Archangels

    I'm glad you're Catholic, KP1983. But how about toning down the snotty attitude? I do hope you don't act like this when representing the faith to non-Catholics. Whether you're right or wrong about the subject matter, your presentation is offputting.
     
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  10. Emmett O'Regan

    Emmett O'Regan New Member

  11. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    KP1983, I never heard the Jews will be damned if they do not accept Jesus as the Messiah.
    What I did read a very long time ago is. The Jews will be judged by Moses when they die.
    Now, we know Jesus is a most merciful Judge, and He did not gift Moses with Mercy. So
    Jews when they are judged will not have the benefit of Mercy for their transgressions. They
    will suffer the full consequences for their sins. This was a message from Jesus I came across
    many years ago. I am sure there are means to atone for sin within the Jewish Faith.
    I do pray Merciful Jesus will find a way to extend His Mercy to the Jews too.
     
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  12. padraig

    padraig New Member

    What is the good of being right about everything in Creation if we have not got charity? It's all a waste of time, so much hot air, be kind, be gentle , be nice. ..or be gone.:)
     
  13. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I am sorry I have not been folowing this thread as well as I might. It appears to be getting out of hand. I will be watching from now on.
    Argiung and insulting people for the sake of it is just a waste of time...and very displeasing to God.
     
  14. CrewDog

    CrewDog Guest

    How many Folks here believe that anything in this thread is critical to you/yours "Mission" to pass through The Pearly Gates? How many Folks here believe that anything in this thread is critical to you/yours surviving The Storm?
    I'd be a lot less concerned about how many/when The Comings of The Lord there be in the offing and more concerned about Financial Collapse, Urban Disintegration, Islamic Terror and "Trigger-Happy" Russians, Chinamen and North Koreans ... not to mention earthquakes, Zika Virus .... and Food-n-H2O supplies when any of the above SHTF Moments occur!!
    There's an old adage that goes something like this:
    "Never argue with an over-educated idiot because after 30 seconds a casual observer will not be able identify who the idiot is." NOW!! On to more critical endeavors!

    GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
     
  15. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I am away camping tomorrow until Monday, I think this thread needs very close moderating so I am going to freeze it till I come back.

    I suspect the hand of the devil here, I really do. Who would have thought? Such an innocent subject matter too. Spooky. Spooky , Spooky.
     
  16. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I think I will chance leaving the forum open, but if I see any shennanigans I will close it down at once till I get back. Can't have the place turned into a Cage Fight.
    [​IMG]
     
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