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Correction of Amoris Laetitia Is About to Be Published

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by BrianK, Sep 20, 2017.

  1. Adoremus

    Adoremus Archangels

  2. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

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  3. AED

    AED Powers

    Brian I think we have to live each day in this world as if we are a part of it for now but be always preparing to "leave" it at a moment's notice.
  4. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Please everyone pray for the Pope, the signatories of the fraternal correction, the 4 Cardinals, and the entire Episcopate at this moment. We are on the verge of an unprecedented crisis in the Church. Our prayers may very well decide the fate of the Church and the world. Offer up Masses, Rosaries, Novenas, and other prayers!!!
    We must make sacrifices now.
    Penance! Penance! Penance!
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  5. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    For a long time everyone has been wondering if September 23rd 2017 would be just another day or if the astronomical sign of the Woman Clothed with the Sun from the Book of Revelation that appeared in the sky today had any significance.

    Today we know the answer. It is the day that the laity entered the final battle for the soul of the Catholic Church. We must sacrifice and pray and do penance!

    Let us not disappoint Our Lord and Our Lady.
    This is the moment we were born for.
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  6. soldier of christ

    soldier of christ Principalities

    I think that this will draw the line in the sand and we will now see who stands on which side. I am sure we can make pretty good guesses on most, but we may be surprised by a few.
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  7. Dean

    Dean Archangels

    ok so word is the Pope refused it.

    Obviously, none of us have ever been through this before so, church historians... now what?
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  8. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I think we have to hope and pray that there is only one side in the end and that all will be rectified. We don't want it to be "us" and "them" we want it all to be "us", faithful Catholics.
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  9. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    According to the writings of the Saints and Doctors of the Church the Pope should be given a "grace period" of up to six months to answer. After which he may be given a second correction. If he refuses that we are in a world of trouble...

    That is from memory. I may have that slightly wrong.
    Either way I don't think this will be anything that will be handled quickly.
    It will be a drawn out process. Possibly a year or even several.
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2017
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  10. AED

    AED Powers

    Well said Praetorian. We have entered arhat place on the map where"there be dragons". StMichael defend all of us in battle. All of us!
  11. Adoremus

    Adoremus Archangels

    And here was me thinking he'd been sitting on it a long time already, since it was presented to him back in August. I guess I'm going to need a bit more patience :whistle::whistle::whistle:
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  12. soldier of christ

    soldier of christ Principalities

    Honestly, do you think that Pope Francis is in command of this or do you think that this is just a "puppet show" and that the masterminds behind him a devising their next move. I am having a very hard time believing he is in complete intellectual control here with this. I am just not sure if he is being coerced or if he is just so far gone he cannot understand the gravity of all this. I don't mean this in a derogatory way. I am just very dumbfounded by all this.
  13. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    The time is long past where we could still offer hope that this pope is an innocent bystander. Yes, he is fully in command, with ALL that entails.
  14. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Angels

    Can one say that today is the beginning of schism in the Catholic Church? was this what represented the woman's sign against the dragon, symbolized on 23/09?
  15. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I think we have to pray that doesn't happen. No one knows what the future will bring, but schisms are never a good thing. Our job is to pray for the Church to remain one and that it's laity and clergy who have gone astray return to the One True Faith.
  16. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    According to the document of correction, the signatories don't have the authority to do anything other than issue the correction. Presumably, then, someone of the rank of Bishop would have to take the next step. I'm not holding my breath. Even Cardinal Burke baulked at submitting the correction. It will be a miracle if even a third of the Bishops support the correction.

    We already have schism in the Church, just not officially. For example, thanks to Pope Francis, this is coming to all our parish churches unless someone puts a stop to his gallop: https://novusordowatch.org/2017/09/priest-to-bless-homosexual-marriage-in-church/ Note that one of the men is divorced from a heterosexual marriage in which he fathered a son:

    Male Same-Sex Couple celebrate their Wedding in Church
    Wesel. The Mayor of Emmerich, Peter Hinze (SPD), is marrying his life-partner, Hubertus Pooth, from Wesel-Bislich. Not only that — but this will be celebrated in the Catholic Church in Bislich. Father Sühling wants “to ask God’s blessing for people who are living in a relationship”. By Sebastian Peters

    It is an unusual step the Catholic priest is taking there: Stefan Sühling technically holds a reputation for being a conservative clergyman. And yet, in the near future, he will hold a liturgy of the word on the occasion of the wedding of two men. In the past week, the mayor of Emmerich, Peter Hinze [of the Social Democrat Party, SPD], made his wedding plans public. For a while already he had been living in a civil partnership with Hubertus Pooth, a restaurant owner in Bislich.

    On September 30, the 57-year old Hinze and his partner wish to pledge their troth at the Falkenstein Estate in Emmerich Hüthum. Both also want to celebrate the event in the Catholic Church that day — taking into consideration the fact that the Church does not confer the sacrament of matrimony on same-sex couples.

    “My partner is closely connected with the Church. He was an altar boy and lives next to the [local] church,” Emmerich’s mayor Hinze told our editorial staff yesterday. Consequently, inquiries were made with Fr. Sühling regarding the possibility of being present at church that day. According to Hinze, there will basically be a kind of liturgy of the word, in which the wedding party and guests will participate.

    Not the Sacrament of Matrimony

    The church of St. John in the small village of Bislich belongs to the parish of St. Nicholas Wesel. Such a religious service would be unusual enough in the city — it is all the more so in a village. Fr. Sühling says: “It is a religious service in which they both take part”. At the same time he emphasizes that he will not be conferring the sacrament of matrimony, that it will not be a church wedding in the proper sense. He will be asking God to bless people who live in relationships, he says. He is not seeking to make a big deal of it, he just doesn’t want to reject a request by people who see themselves connected to God. Any directives by the diocese are being heeded, Suhling says.

    In a sermon at the cathedral of Münster, the diocese’s Bishop Felix Genn had made remarks concerning “Marriage for All” [the German “gay marriage” law] two days after the resolution of the Bundestag [German parliament]: “As church we will continue to take an unambiguous stand for marriage being between a man and a woman, without signifying any discrimination towards homosexual persons by [using] the term ‘civil partnership’, by which we simply designate a different reality.” In the Catholic Church, there are no weddings or ceremonies of blessing for same-sex couples.

    Peter Hinze hesitates when being asked whether he is a believer. “When I am in church I always light a candle.” Involving the church is “more the wish of my partner”. Hinze does say, however: “If it isn’t possible to change church from the top, then it is still important, though, to show at the base that we live in different times than we did 20 years ago. The least is to receive a blessing in church”.

    The wedding on the Falkenstein Estate will take place one day before the legislative change to allow “Marriage for All” goes into effect and same-sex people are officially allowed to marry. After October 1, the “partnership” will be officially rewritten, Hinze says. He had been thinking for a long time about coming out about his partnership with a man. Ultimately, he took this step because he also wanted to encourage others who love those of the same sex not to keep hidden. Hinze had before been married to a woman and has a son. He has known about his homosexuality since 2004. He was afraid to come out.

    The coming-out of the chief mayor of Berlin, Klaus Wowereit, has been helpful in these times, Hinze says. Fellow party members gave him strength. He has a very good relationship with his ex-wife and son. Hubertus Pooth and Peter Hinze have known each other for eleven years. They had seen one another on and off before they fell in love three years ago. The two do not make a big deal about their relationship in public. Pooth, being a restaurant owner, is very involved in Bislich, but now and again, he accompanies Hinze at New Year’s receptions.​

    I don't know anything about the signs in the sky. This looks more like the Fatima warning to the Bishops about the fate of the King of France. Lord knows where it will end. As Praetorian said, we all need to do penance for the hierarchy and for Church unity. We can't claim to be a universal Church if the teachings vary from diocese to diocese.
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  17. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

  18. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Angels

    Here in Brazil most of the priests I know allow communion to the divorced. If there is a formal correction, the majority will probably be against the cardinals.
  19. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    We're talking about the Church founded by Jesus Christ who charged the disciples to pass on the faith. He didn't tell them to take a straw poll or referendum to decide which of his teachings should be adhered to and which should be discarded. The Church survived by safeguarding and passing on intact Christ's teachings - until now.

    It is accepted Catholic teaching that there will be a great apostasy before Jesus returns. Those who don't reject Christ's teaching will be a small, remnant Church. If what you say is true, most priests and people in Brazil are getting a head start on the apostasy.

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