Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by garabandal, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Except that you might possibly infect untold others before you died of this virus. That is also part of the dilemma.:cry:
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  2. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I think you would have to see things with Spiritual eyes rather than human. IF you go to mass you do so because you feel the voice of God calling, the voice of love and such a call can never be wrong.

    It is a bit like St Therese of Liseaux when she had TB, a highly infectious disease. She never saw it in those terms, but as a Gift from God, a Gift of Love.

    What Child runs from his or her father in times of danger? They run, not away from Him but towards Him, for it is most especially in such times we need Him most.

    If we expect, in hope, in Faith, Miracles, Miracles of Protection are what we will get. But if we do not expect and hope for them to happen then how will they ever occur?

    Sometimes we just have to step out in Faith.

    In a strange kind of way our Faith has to be at times a little presumptious, trusting entirely God is up there paying attention and acting.

    Regarding the Hunger for the Eucharist, yes I would expect very,very Great Miracles indeed and would walk forward blindly, full of Faith.

    If I were a Bishop I would never ever stop the Sacrifice of the Mass , no matter the human dangers.

    I would step out in Faith.

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  3. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I see your point, but we will have to agree to disagree on this. There is no Mass for people to attend.
  4. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I would add that it is certainly meritorious to offer up the cross of not being able to go to Mass, also looking at it with spiritual eyes.
    And sometimes we are just like Job on the dung hill. :cry:
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  5. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I also read that the Sacrament of the Sick
    and Confession are still being offered.
  6. padraig

    padraig New Member

    In Ireland during the Penal times the priests and people were killed , often on the very spot for attending mass.

    I went to one mass rock site were the priest and the entire congregation were killed on the spot by English soldiers because the look outs did not spot them in time. The whole entire parish killed, men women and children, hundreds of them. In one way you could say they were foolish for going to mass in the first place. But in another...

    Humanly speaking saying mass in such circumstances was crazy. Yet we did this in Ireland for centuries.

    This is our Great Glory. The Blood of those dead fertilized the Entire Church.

    It was Hunger for the Eucharist that drew them on to their deaths.


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  7. jerry

    jerry Guest

    I never expected to have reason to publicly 'like' a post of yours again . So here's a surprise :)
  8. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    hi, Jerry. Good to hear from you. How are you doing?
  9. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Our pastor has for several years now discontinued the chalice of the precious blood during flu season only.
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  10. padraig

    padraig New Member

    The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is never ever a Health and Safety issue. Otherwise there would never have been such a thing as the Catacombs.

  11. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I wonder if they are aware that in China Youtube is blocked unless you use a private VPN service due to the Chinese firewall? I am sure the priests are still offering the mass privately on their behalf while the quarantine is in effect there.
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  12. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I tend to agree with you, Don.
  13. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

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  14. BrianK

    BrianK Proud2bRC Staff Member

    My thoughts exactly.

    Losing the mass is a greater fear than dying of a virus.
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  15. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Sg, would you want to go around infected people, become infected yourself , and pass the virus to your family and others you love? Imho I have a personal obligation to refrain from that. I believe that is why the Church endorses vaccination. I do understand how you feel, though. I pray this won’t last long. But it is up to Almighty God.
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  16. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    But it’s more than that. It’s about a personal responsibility we each have to refrain from spreading the virus to others. This is not just about how we feel
    about the Mass, imho.
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  17. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    Like you, I grew up believing that blessed objects cannot be bought or sold. I'm not so sure that the rule hasn't been relaxed to permit the sale of blessed objects provided they are not being sold at a profit.

    I know what you mean about the quick Father, Son and Holy Spirit blessing with a wave of the hand that's meant to be the sign of the Cross. I have no blessed salt and am wondering whether the SSPX priest would do an old-fashioned blessing if I were to bring my tub of salt to their Sunday Mass and waylay the priest for a blessing afterwards. It seems kind of cheeky but my options are very limited.
  18. With respect to the Eucharist, Faith overcomes intellect. My prayer is that the Mass remains open and available to all good practicing Catholics. Please God hear our prayer. The Eucharist is the source and summit of the Christian life. Amen.
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  19. Jo M

    Jo M Archangels

    I think the Archbishop is only trying to protect his flock. I am sure it was an agonizing decision for him. Not going to Mass would be a tremendous spiritual loss, but honestly if there was a bad outbreak of the virus in my area I would make any sacrifice necessary to protect my family, and community even if it meant watching the TV Mass. If it were impossible to make arrangements with my parish to receive Communion on an individual basis, I would resort to a spiritual Communion. In dire circumstances I trust that God would understand. My response might be very different if I lived alone and led a quiet life, but such is not the case for me.
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  20. BrianK

    BrianK Proud2bRC Staff Member

    No one is going to “officially” say it, but the genetic circumstantial evidence overwhelmingly points to Covid19 being an escaped bioengineered virus.

    Not necessarily a “bioweapon” per se, but a viral line they were engineering to develop a vaccine with broad efficiency across all the coronaviruses.

    Only AFTER they developed an effective vaccine for their own people could it be used as a bioweapon.

    That’s why the idea they deployed it against themselves, or a western country deployed it against them, is preposterous. There is no effective vaccine.

    All the experimental vaccines against coronavirus developed to date killed their research animals because it set up a hyper immune reaction in the host that flooded and drowned the lungs with immune fluid when challenged by the live virus.
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