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Consecration of Russia video

Discussion in 'The mystical and Paranormal' started by Arby, Aug 1, 2017.

  1. josephite

    josephite Powers

    But I agree with Cardinal Burke:coffee:

    I renew my personal consecration to the Immaculate Heart daily in my morning offering and again with a different set of words before my rosary. I believe all countries, states and peoples should renew their consecrations to Our Lady regularly.

    Mother Theresa says we must convert every day! When we wake in the morning we must again convert ourselves to Jesus, it is ongoing.

    David I think just because we believe that the Consecration to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart was accomplished by Pope John Paul II and others don't, is not really here nor there; because "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation will suffice."

    And besides we can be happy that all on the MoG site, Love Our Dearest Mother deeply and we are all trying to live Her Fatima messages.:)
  2. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers


    Just in case if people don't know that although our Lady wanted to appear each 13th of the given months since the local authorities interfered with this day's time, the people came in expectation of the children's apparition, there could be none. Instead it occurred to the children on the 19th of Aug instead.

    Fatima in the Month of August

    One hundred years ago in August, the three shepherd children were as brave as martyrs. Father Robert Fox, a renowned expert on Fatima, explains:

    The Mother of God appeared to the three little shepherd children of Fatima at noon on the 13th day of each month from May through October in 1917.

    But there was one exception in August. On that 13th, the administrator of Ourem deceived the children and took them away by horsecart. He claimed that he had been converted and would take the children to the Cova da Iria. Instead, he took them to Ourem. He placed them in jail with male prisoners, threatening to throw them into boiling oil if they did not recant or tell the secret they had learned from Our Lady.

    Despite all the threats of being killed, the three shepherd children remained loyal to Our Lady. They refused to reveal anything to the administrator, and they even got the men in prison to kneel in prayer with them. Seven-year-old Jacinta was especially courageous. Lucia wrote years later that she believed Jacinta received special graces to understand devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Even in prison, the little shepherds offered sacrifices for the conversion of sinners and for the Holy Father, as they had been instructed to do from the Angel at Fatima and Our Lady.

    .......A crowd of people gathered at the holmoak tree in the Cova on Aug. 13, even though the children were not there. The people saw mysterious signs, such as a pillar of blue cloud over the holmoak. They saw this as an indication that Our Lady had nonetheless kept her appointment.

    After the children were released from prison on Aug. 19, Our Lady appeared to them at a place called Valinhos, which is near Aljustrel, the village within the parish of Fatima, where the children lived with their families. 
As at the Cova da Iria, Our Lady appeared standing on a meter high holmoak tree. Lucia asked, as she did each time Our Lady appeared, "What do you want of me?"

    "I want you to continue going to the Cova da Iria on the 13th, and to continue saying the Rosary every day. In the last month, I will perform a miracle so that all may believe." It was the second time Our Lady had promised a miracle in October. During each of the six apparitions, she requested that the Rosary be prayed every day.

    Sister Lucia said she could never forget the sadness with which Our Lady in August said: "Pray, pray very much, and make sacrifices for sinners; for many souls go to hell, because there are none to sacrifice themselves and to pray for them."


    I don't doubt that in other apparitions, even within the yet to be approved ones of today, that secular as well as Church authorities have interfered with the plans of heaven for the benefit of all people, esp. in these most serious of times, and things had to be altered!:rolleyes:
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  3. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Basto has completed his video....

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  4. Aviso

    Aviso Angels

    Do you mean Basto ? my Friend, where is Basto ? I have no news from him for months, what is this video ? are you serious ? do you think a second that the content of this video was not debunked, come on Mac, thank you.
  5. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    You need to watch till the end Aviso.
    Basto has shown that the official translation is inaccurate and misleading.
  6. Aviso

    Aviso Angels

    I Watch the video till the end, this is a joke my Friend, how Basto can waste his time with this joke, I knew him much more stronger than that, this everisto is an enemy of the Lady of Fatima for years, a Modernist paid by the enemy of the Lady of Fatima, His lies are a sin against the Holy Spirit, Nothing in this video match any words from Lucia, who sent this video here ? I thought I had seen everything but not, don't you think a second that Rome would used this video to confirm their lies and the Consecration if this video was serious, come on Mac !

    PS : Let me check with friends from where this video is from and I will let you know.
  7. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    I suppose it's just another case of "it depends upon what the definition of is, is"!
  8. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Cardinal Raymond Burke celebrates Mass at the Fatima Centennial Summit in Irving, Texas. Lee Photography

    Mon Oct 9, 2017 - 9:12 am EST

    Cardinal Burke: Russia was not consecrated ‘in the manner requested by Our Lady’

    IRVING, Texas, October 9, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — “It is evident that the consecration (of Russia) was not carried out in the manner requested by Our Lady,” said Vatican Cardinal Raymond Burke in his keynote address marking highlight and conclusion of the Fatima Centennial Summit held over the weekend.

    “I do not doubt for a moment the intention of Pope St. John Paul II to carry out the consecration on March 25, 1984,” said Cardinal Burke, adding also that “Our Lady had accepted it.”

    He continued nonetheless, “Recognizing the necessity of a total conversion from atheistic materialism and communism to Christ, the call of Our Lady of Fatima to consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart in accord with Her explicit instruction remains urgent.”

    The former head of the Vatican’s highest court reissued his call, first made at the Rome Life Forum in May, for the faithful to pray and work for the consecration of Russia according to Our Lady’s specific instruction. He quoted the end of the famous secret to the children where Our Lady Herself predicted: “In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”

    With some 700 attendees, the conference was the largest Fatima centennial celebration in North America. To a standing ovation both before and after he spoke, Cardinal Burke delved deeply into the message of Our Lady of Fatima, her predictions and the consequences of failing to heed her warnings to the world.

    The Cardinal drew a direct line from the famous Third Secret of Fatima’s dire predictions for the massacre of priests, religious and the death of the Pope to the current crisis in the Church.

    “The teaching of the Faith in its integrity and with courage is the heart of the office of the Church’s pastors: the Roman Pontiff, the Bishops in communion with the See of Peter, and their principal co-workers, the priests,” he said. “For that reason, the Third Secret is directed, with particular force, to those who exercise the pastoral office in the Church. Their failure to teach the faith, in fidelity to the Church’s constant teaching and practice, whether through a superficial, confused or even worldly approach, and their silence endangers mortally, in the deepest spiritual sense, the very souls for whom they have been consecrated to care spiritually.”

    Cardinal Burke, who has suffered publicly for his defense of the faith, urged the faithful, “Let us not fail to embrace whatever suffering comes from our faithful witness to Him Who is the true Treasure of our hearts.”

    “Let us not give way to discouragement but rather remember that the Immaculate Heart of the Blessed Virgin Mary assumed into glory, never ceases to beat with love for us, the children Her Divine Son gave to Her as He was dying on the cross,” he said.

    The Cardinal concluded quoting the words of Pope St. John Paul II, who in 1982 during his consecration of the world to the Immaculate Heart noted: “Mary’s appeal is not for just once. Her appeal must be taken up by generation after generation, in accordance with the ever new ‘signs of the times.’ It must be unceasingly returned to. It must ever be taken up anew.”
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  9. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    This video was very interesting to me, because it shows a little book in the video which is the very book a friend loaned me earlier this summer.
    And the person who wrote the book is shown in the photos on the video. He is a fluent speaker of the same language as sister Lucia spoke, he knew her family. His photo appears in the book too.
    If he was telling the truth in the little booklet shown on the video he did write that Lucia did say the Consecration in 1984 was accepted by Heaven.
    In the book it said, sister Lucia told them, the first Consecration done by Pius XII was partly accepted because all the Bishops were present when Holy Father made the Consecration.
    The second Consecration was partly accepted, and I can't remember the reason stated in the booklet as per sister Lucia's words. I think it was to do with not all Bishops being able to partake on account of war or something.
    The book states that sister Lucia confirmed the third Consecration by Saint John Paul in 1984 was accepted by Heaven. It appears Heaven wanted the Bishops to be in their own diocese and join in with Holy Father as he requested. Sister Lucia was also reported in that little book as saying that all Bishops in their diocese were invited to partake. And if any chose not to partake, that would not render the Consecration on 25th March 1984 invalid.

    I also was very interested to read in that little book that sister Lucia was prepared to meet Fr. Gruner face to face and advise him that he was mistaken to claim the Consecration had not been done correctly by Saint John Paul on 25th March 1984; but Fr. Gruner failed to turn up at the time arranged for the meeting. He apparently turned up some time later in the day when other people had already arrived for a later appointment, and was not able to speak to sister Lucia on account of missing the time allocated to him. I got the impression Fr. Gruner was not such a wonderful saintly man as we get the impression on the videos from the way he appeared to casually delay the time he was due to travel to the appointment. Apparently he travelled to the convent with other people, and they were mucked about by his lack of effort to make the appointment on time.

    I don't know if the book shown in the video is genuine. But when I read it. It appeared genuine and truthful to me.
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  10. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    The other side of the story ....

    Evaristo's sabotage of Father Gruner's interview with Sister Lucy is recalled by Mairead Clarke, an Apostolate employee who dealt with Carlos. She recounts that frustrating morning:

    “I was present for the sequence of events. Carlos was to arrive early at our hotel at 7:00 a.m. so that the tail pipe of the car purchased for this Apostolate by a supporter could be repaired. A minor job of replacing a few brackets, which Carlos was aware of, but refused to do anything about, claiming that it was extremely difficult to get parts for foreign cars, which he had insisted we purchase as the only car worth having in Europe.

    A supporter who was with us at the hotel had asked that the car be brought over early so that the exhaust could cool before using a wire hanger to effect the temporary repair. Any repairs were the responsibility of this Apostolate as we were the owners. (I say “were” as Carlos refused to turn the car over to us at the termination of his employment. He had changed the registration to his mother's name.)

    However that Monday morning, Mina, Carlos' mother refused to wake him as “the boy needs his sleep”. Yes I can quote her because I was the person who telephoned three times to his home to find out what was causing the delay. I finally told her that if Carlos did not arrive within the next few minutes I would personally come and get him out of bed. That last call was no more than an hour before the time of the meeting. Bishop Michaelappa had telephoned from his hotel to find out why Carlos had not already picked up Cardinal Padiyara and himself.

    Father Gruner was very anxious to meet Sister Lucy. Finally Evaristo condescended to come to the phone and was strongly ordered to get the Apostolate vehicle over to the hotel immediately. He arrived at the hotel more than two hours late, with a dragging muffler that could not be repaired until the car cooled down.”

    The most dramatic meeting imaginable between two of the world's most devoted Fatima names never happened because Carlos Evaristo was “tired” and had a punctured muffler which he had been driving that way for months, including his trip just 1 day before up to Coimbra! Father Gruner and the Cardinal had been forced to call a cab! Yet Evaristo would dare to claim that Father Gruner missed his interview because he, not Evaristo, was late! Nevertheless, Evaristo miraculously was able to get to Coimbra himself in his “broken down” vehicle.

    A few minutes after Father Gruner and the Cardinal had left the Convent, President Aquino and her entourage would arrive and immediately be escorted in to be received by Sister Lucy, who had miraculously recovered from the “illness” which had prevented a visit by Father Gruner and the Cardinal only a few moments before. Obviously Convent officials did not want the charade of the previous day to be subjected to the scrutiny of Father Kramer and Father Gruner together with the Cardinal.http://www.fatimapriest.com/ch11.html
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  11. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    @Mac. Thank you for posting the other side of the story.

    To be honest, it has a humorous feel to the whole shinanikins. I have a vision of a young fella unwilling to get out of bed with Cardinals and important people waiting for a lift to meet sister Lucia and all they have available is what to my mind sounds like a rusty old banger (car), more than likely not serviced regularly, to get to the appointment. All that is fine, I am sure it is quite possible.

    I wonder how these Cardinals don't have the price of a taxi if they don't have suitable transport available when they are visiting places of interest.

    The only thing that I found troubling about the other side of the story was making it appear sister Lucia was somehow responsible for the fiasco, because for whatever reason she was reportedly indisposed after the Gruner appointment was missed, and the party finally arrived late. But pulled herself together for the next expected appointment. ODD! I would ask myself could sister Lucia have been complicit and devious in causing such confusion and disappointment with Princes of the Church involved. Very ODD.

    Methinks there is yet another side to the story. And it would be nice to hear. I wonder if the sleepy guy whose mammy needed to get him out of the pit (bed) on the day he had to take these important dignatories to a venue on time, was as devious as the 'other side of the story' indicates.

    Anyway. It certainly is interesting to read. Especially when World Peace is hanging on how we humans cooperate with Gods Holy Will for us, especially when He sent the Mother of Jesus to Fatima with the 'Plan for Peace' guaranteed by Heaven if we just get on board with Gods plan. And to think the whole thing hangs on a fella who can't be bothered to get out of bed, or fix his old banger (car) for the big day. Thank God for the Irish sense of humour that kicks in reading these things.
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  12. Arantxa

    Arantxa New Member

    I still can not understand why the Pope does not CONSECRATE RUSSIA to THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY. Is it stubbornes or something else? Even if the Consecration was already accepted by our Lady, it will bring this matter to an end. I am one that believe it was not done simply because I do not see any period of peace.
  13. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    Numerous Popes have Consecrated the world to Immaculate Heart of Mary. Even Pope Francis a couple of years ago Consecrated the world to Immaculate Heart of Mary. He even went to Fatima on 13th May 2017 for the Centenary of Our Lady of Fatima, where he Canonised Jacinta and Francisco. I do believe all the Popes have done their best as they understand what God has asked through Our Blessed Mother.

    I am of the school that supports the possibility that it is because of the lack of support from the laity in fulfilling Our Lady's request that we all make the 5 First Saturdays in reparation for the offenses against her Immaculate Heart.
    You see, I don't think Blessed Mother is asking this for her own sake. I believe God has willed that we as humans realise how important the Immaculate Heart of Mary is to Him, and humble ourselves for her sake in the sight of God. We owe her everything because of the sufferings in her life as she pilgrimaged here on earth and had to watch her only child tortured to death right before her eyes. It was not on account of her sins He suffered, she was immaculately preserved from sin. Jesus died to atone for our sins, Mary had to suffer too. And it was our sins and ingratitude that piled up the suffering that she endured. We are all partakers in the wounds Jesus and Mary endured. Can we all partake in an attempt to make reparation for our failures to keep Gods Laws and Precepts. I know I am guilty and want to repair my own failures, is anyone else interested out there. Make the 5 First Saturdays if you want the promises of Fatima fulfilled. Then Trust God to fulfil His promise through Mary.
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