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Consecration of Russia video

Discussion in 'The mystical and Paranormal' started by Arby, Aug 1, 2017.

  1. Arby

    Arby ...

    SpiritDaily has an article which contains this vid.


    From Wanda Skowronska [a psychologist/writer/ pro-lifer living in Sydney, Australia]:

    “Dear friends, here [below] is a longer version of the film I sent you previously — this one much longer and very interesting.

    “It has much more detail and accounts of the meetings with Sister Lucia and the attempt to discredit Carlos Evaristo by Father Nicholas Gruner [a now deceased Canadian priest who argued the Consecration had not been conducted, nor the entire Third Secret released].

    “The words of Sister Lucia give an outline of the events of Fatima

    1. The consecration of Russia was meant to have been done in 1929. That’s when mentioning it would have been relevant.
    “After 1929 Russia became the Soviet Union.

    1. Just as the King of France did not consecrate France to the Sacred Heart as requested by Jesus through St Margaret Mary, so this consecration was not done by Pope Pius XI and so a new terrible war broke out. The attempted consecration by Pope Pius XII was too late to prevent war and the spread of errors.
    “It did not have the union of bishops hence was incomplete.

    1. As Russia spread her errors around the world, the world [now] needed consecrating.
    2. Lucia says Our Lady did say that the March 25, 1984, consecration WAS the consecration requested by Our Lady though it came late.
    “Though all bishops did not participate, [this] did not take away from its validity. (Most did participate). There is NO need for any further consecration.

    “It was of such importance, that it prevented an atomic war in 1985. This was about 100 years since the vision of Pope Leo XIII in 1883 [that a century had been given to Satan].

    1. Lucia says that the conversion of Russia did not mean the conversion to Catholicism — but the change from a godless regime. [Just last week, Orthodox priests publicly blessed a Soviet space vehicle.]
    2. Lucia did not insist on the secret being revealed by 1960, but thought this might be a far away date herself for it to be revealed.
    3. Lucia says the triumph of the Immaculate Heart started on the day Pope JPII was shot — because he survived an attack he was supposed to be killed in.
    “There is much more. Carlos says the conspiracy theories which circulate saying the secret was not revealed and the Consecration was not done only confuse the faithful. Lucia was the one to tell us of the messages. It is surely of importance to heed her words of how the promises and events have unfurled.”

    From viewer Ted Quigley:

    Some points to consider regarding the consecration preventing nuclear war.

    1. Huge explosion in Severomorsk in Northern Soviet Union on May 17th, 1984 [after Consecration by Saint John Pail II] took out part of their nuclear triad, setting them back for at least months. Pictures of the explosion are on the internet and the explosion was also reported in the NY Times. A fire started on May 13th that got out of control which led to the explosion.


    1. According to interviews of former Soviet officials in Newsweek and on PBS after the fall of the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union was going to hit us with a nuclear strike because they thought Reagan was planning a nuclear strike on them.
    2. Sr. Lucia, the sole surviving visionary from Fatima, in an interview with a bishop present in 1993, said that a nuclear war was scheduled between the Soviet Union and the U.S. for 1985 which is why the Pope was shot on May 13, 1981, to get his attention. The 1984 consecration averted this war.
    3. In early 1985, Soviet leader Chernenko dies. Gorbachev comes to power and the whole Soviet Union starts to unravel…
    We report. You decide.
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  2. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Yes, I must admit it is very convincing
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  3. josephite

    josephite Powers

    Thank you Arby for the above post.

    I think that many people reject Sr Lucia's recorded words in the above videotaped evidence provided by the interview of 1993, for two reasons.

    1] The interview of 1993 of Sr Lucia and the Bishop, also included Mr Carlos Evaristo and many believe Mr Carlos Evaristo had told lies in the past so they dismiss Sr Lucia’s recorded words.

    2]Some people have been previously lead to believe that the period of peace Our Lady referred to at Fatima, was to be a utopia of peace in the hearts of everyone in the world.

    My answer to those that refuse to believe what Sr Lucia says are ....

    1] Firstly, Mr Carlos Evaristo may have lied in the past but we are not talking about Mr Evaristo past sins, we are talking about the undisputable video evidence given by Sister Lucia herself!

    2] Secondly what Our Lady actually said in regards to the promised peace is........ The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.

    To find out what peace Our Lady is referring to, we must look at the definition of peace by the Doctors of the Church.

    The great doctor of the Catholic Faith St Augustine describes peace as 'Tranquillitas Ordinis' in English .... Tranquillity of Order.

    The Tranquillity of order or Peace, is only possible where right order is practiced!

    Right order is practiced where God is adored before all other considerations and freedom to follow one’s faith is not deprived by any Government laws; as Our Lord tells us.... we are to give God His due! even though we are to give to Caesar what is Caesars.

    We know that on July 13 1917, Our Lady was referring to Russia which in 4 months from that date, would become an atheistic communist country and eventually a collective of atheistic republics called the [USSR] Union of Soviet Socialist Republics or the Soviet Union. In atheistic communist countries or atheistic republics, right order was forcibly taken from the Nation, and people were unable to lawfully give God His due.

    Sr Lucia explains Our Lady's words in the interview of 1993! Sr Lucia states that the consecration of the world by Pope JP11 in 1984 was accepted by heaven and a nuclear world war was avoided! The conversion of the then USSR began, it converted! a change from bad to good, and the atheistic USSR dismantled!

    In other words, Peace was granted or as St Augustine tells us the Tranquillity of order was restored!
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2017
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  4. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Far too many contradictions made here.
    This should be simple enough to follow.....Lucia did not insist on the secret being revealed by 1960, but thought this might be a far away date herself for it to be revealed.

    The truth..
    For seven years Bertone maintained that Our Lady had never told Lucia that revelation of the Secret was connected to the year 1960, which happens to be the year following John XXIII’s announcement of the Second Vatican Council. Then, during the Porta a Porta telecast of May 31, 2007, the Cardinal blithely revealed to the world not one, but two, sealed envelopes on the outside of which the following appears in Lucia’s own handwriting: By express order of Our Lady, this envelope can only be opened in 1960 by the Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon or the Bishop of Leiria.17 Only one conclusion is possible: Bertone’s claim that Lucia “confessed” that Our Lady had never said anything to her about 1960 is simply a lie. For it is impossible that the visionary would have taken it upon herself to decide when the Secret would be revealed, invented an “express order of Our Lady” justifying her arbitrary choice, recorded that express order on the outside of the two envelopes, and then allowed the Church and the world to believe for decades that, as she told Cardinal Ottaviani in 1955, ''the Virgin did not wish the Secret to be revealed before 1960 “because then it will seem clearer (mais claro).” Or, as she told the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima “because the Blessed Virgin wishes it so.” Or, as she told Canon Barthas: “Our Lady wills that it can be published beginning in 1960.”
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  5. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Cardinal Bertone has no credibility in the the messages of Fatima. He has shown his true colors on his very first visit to see Lucia, along with 2 others priests whom he never allowed to speak to Sister Lucia. His narrative was already preconceived to come out of this first meeting as a priests with a predetermined spin to persuade as many as he could with his preferred message, which was at odds with what our Lady of Fatima foretold in 1917. Anyone think that the messages of Fatima, which pertain to Russia and communism is over is very naive and they surely do not see the signs of the times through the words of our Lady of Fatima herself being unveiled clearly in our times.
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  6. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Chief Exorcist Father Amorth: Padre Pio Knew The Third Secret

    In a recent article on the Secret of Fatima, Steve Skojec, the founder and editor of OnePeterFive, published, to my knowledge, for the first time in the English language words from Rome’s chief exorcist, Father Gabriele Amorth (d. 2016), about Padre Pio and his knowledge of the Third Secret of Fatima. They come from a newly published book written by José María Zavala, entitled The Best Kept Secret of Fatima (El Sécreto Mejor Guardado de Fátima).

    In the following, I shall quote extensively from Steve’s own post which first speaks about Father Amorth’s own conviction that the specific Consecration of Russia has not yet taken place, and then enters into the larger discussion about Fatima:

    Pressed by Zavala as to why he so forcefully believes that the consecration was not done, Fr. Amorth replied: “Very simple: John Paul II wanted to mention Russia expressly, but in the end he did not.”

    Zavala pressed the issue with Fr. Amorth, saying that Sister Lucia herself (as mentioned above) had said that Heaven had accepted the consecration. He describes an incredulous reaction from Fr. Amorth. “Lucia said that…?” He asked. Zavala continues:

    “Well, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said it, in the year 2000, hiding behind a letter [escudándose en una carta] from Lucia dated November 1989, in which she stated that Heaven had admitted consecration in spite of one of the most important conditions.

    “Have you seen that letter?” He asks, as if conducting a police interrogation in search of evidence.

    “Never,” I say flatly.

    “I do not think you’ll ever see it, because I’m convinced that Lucia did not write it.”

    “How are you so sure of that?”

    “Why didn’t Bertone show it when he should have, when he announced the Third Secret of Fatima? A simple photocopy of the manuscript, included in the official dossier of the Vatican, would have been sufficient to dispel any doubt. If the Vatican has always been scrupulous in providing the documentary proof that authenticated the information by Lucia on minor matters, what reason would they have to skimp on the only documentary evidence that, according to Bertone, validated a fact that without doubt was of as much importance as the consecration performed by John Paul II?

    “Yes, it’s weird,” I admit.

    “You really think Lucia took five years to write that the consecration had been truly accepted? And that Bertone waited no less than sixteen years to announce the validity of something so crucial as the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?” Father Amorth’s voice sounds like dry leaves.

    “It’s all very strange, in truth.” I [Zavala] nod again.

    “Moreover,” he adds, “if the consecration of the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary made by Pius XII in 1942 was only partially accepted [because he did not specifically mention Russia– ed], for Jesus said that in view of it the war would only be shortened rather than finished immediately, why would He now change his mind with John Paul II, if Russia was not mentioned on this occasion?”

    “It would be an incongruity, yes.”


    “I have no doubt that the consecration did not occur on the terms required by the Virgin. But we must not lose sight of what she herself wanted to tell us through Lucia: ‘In the end My Heart Immaculate will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me and it will become [come to be], [thereby] granting itself to the world a time of peace’…”

    (The interview digresses here from the topic of Fatima, but Zavala returns to it again later):

    Forgive me for insisting on the Third Secret of Fatima: Did Padre Pio relate it, then, to the loss of faith within the Church?”

    Fr. Gabriele furrows his brow and sticks out his chin. He seems very affected.

    “Indeed,” he states, “One day Padre Pio said to me very sorrowfully: ‘You know, Gabriele? It is Satan who has been introduced into the bosom of the Church and within a very short time will come to rule a false Church.’”

    “Oh my God! Some kind of Antichrist! When did he prophesy this to you?” I [Zavala] ask.

    “It must have been about 1960, since I was already a priest then.”

    “Was that why John XXIII had such a panic about publishing the Third Secret of Fatima, so that the people wouldn’t think that he was the anti-pope or whatever it was …?”

    A slight but knowing smile curls the lips of Father Amorth.

    Did Padre Pio say anything else to you about future catastrophes: earthquakes, floods, wars, epidemics, hunger …?Did he allude to the same plagues prophesied in the Holy Scriptures?” [asks Mr. Zavala]

    Nothing of the sort mattered to him, however terrifying they proved to be, except for the great apostasy within the Church. This was the issue that really tormented him and for which he prayed and offered a great part of his suffering, crucified out of love.” [says Fr. Amorth]

    The Third Secret of Fatima?”


    “Is there any way to avoid something so terrible, Fr. Gabriele?”

    There is hope, but it’s useless if it’s not accompanied by works. Let us begin by consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, let us recite the Holy Rosary, let us all do prayer and penance …” [emphasis added]

    More: https://onepeterfive.com/chief-exorcist-father-amorth-padre-pio-knew-the-third-secret/
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  7. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    The good, as well as the bad, can not see the terrible trial.

    "The entire Church will undergo a tremendous trial, to clean up the mass of rotten flesh that has infiltrated into Her ministers, in particular among the Orders of poverty: a moral trial, a spiritual trial. For the time indicated in the heavenly books, priests and faithful will be placed at a perilous turning-point in the world of the lost, which will rush to the assault with whichever means: false ideologies and theologies! Supplication from both parts, the faithful and the unfaithful, will be made according to the trials. I, among you the elect, with Christ as Our Captain, will fight for you […] The wrath of Satan is no longer restrained; the Spirit of God is withdrawn from the earth, the Church will be left a widow, behold the funeral drape, She will be left to the mercy of the world.
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  8. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Is this from Fatima, Mac?:eek:
  9. josephite

    josephite Powers

    Does someone here speak Italian?

  10. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

  11. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Thank you Mac, there is no doubt Tre Fontane is authentic, so we can take it the message is authentic.

    At first I thought, 'How grim!' , but when you think about it, it is a message of hope. On the one hand it states how terrible things are (and they are very, very terrible) but on the other hand it indicates that Christ is doing a big cleaning up job. So hope, hope, hope.
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  12. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    I think it is authentic also Padraig.

    This part is the real difficulty we face today...; the Spirit of God is withdrawn from the earth, the Church will be left a widow, behold the funeral drape, She will be left to the mercy of the world.

    This is how I feel now.I think we are living in the most terrible part of the chastisement.Physical chastisement will be a walk in the park after this.
    "Father, the most Holy Virgin is very sad because no one has paid any attention to Her Message, neither the good nor the bad. The good continue on their way, but without giving any importance to Her Message. The bad, not seeing the punishment of God actually falling upon them, continue their life of sin without even caring about the Message. But believe me, Father, God will chastise the world and this will be in a terrible manner. The punishment from Heaven is imminent."
  13. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    I would like to add ...life in my own ''Trad Bubble'' is no longer comfortable Padraig.Everyone is at each others throats.
    Hopefully a good sign. Everything has to turn to custard before things really improve....

    “To be delivered from the slavery of these heresies, those whom the merciful love of my Son has destined for this restoration will need great will-power, perseverance, courage, and confidence in God. To try the faith and trust of these just ones, there will be times when all will seem lost and paralyzed. It will then be the happy beginning of the complete restoration….
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  14. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I would expect too as everything falls apart inside the Church so too everything else will fall apart outside the Church along with it.

    I watched an interesting interview on Remant and both traditionalists supposed that the CHurch might fall apart while Traditionalists kind of watched and thrived apart form it. But this is not how it will go. None of us will be spared, perhaps this is as well.
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  15. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I would expect too as everything falls apart inside the Church so too everything else will fall apart outside the Church along with it.

    I watched an interesting interview on Remant and both traditionalists supposed that the CHurch might fall apart while Traditionalists kind of watched and thrived apart form it. But this is not how it will go. None of us will be spared, perhaps this is as well.
  16. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I think to some degree we are all getting a little too caught up in the "politics" of what is going on. At this point maybe it is better to just work on our own salvation and try to enlighten those around us and not get too aggravated about who sees everything correctly. It seems to me that is what is happening in the Trad community and perhaps also in the mainline Catholic sphere as well. They are fighting about things they cannot control and perhaps too full of pride as well over being one of the few who sees what is going on. If we see anything clearly it is not a point to be proud about, but a point we should be very humble about because it is a pure grace.

    The more I see what is going on the more I realize how little I understand. All I know is that something big and bad is happening and we all have been given the grace to see it. So many others do not. I am far from spiritually advanced, but it seems to me that the more humble we are the more God will guide us. I don't know if that is correct or not. I would certainly never presume to know the mind of God. Pray, hope and don't worry is making more and more sense to me every day.
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  17. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Quite right Padraig.
    No one will be spared.
    Everyone seems to be at their wit's end.Pushed to their limits.
    Total confusion.
  18. Don_D

    Don_D Powers

    I agree. As someone who has not even been through RCIA I am so completely in the dark as to all this and on making the choice to join the church thought it was to be a refuge that I could lead my family to in safety but it seems I have instead entered the very heart of the battle. So be it. The refuge are the hearts of the blessed Virgin and Our Lord. May he have mercy on us, shed his grace on us, and steady us for the things to come.
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  19. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    You have found the refuge Don. Mary is the Ark that will take us through the storm and lead us to her Son. Many will not find the Ark, but you have. You and your family walked up the ramp into the boat just as the rains began to fall down. Consider yourself very blessed to have been chosen by God and to have responded.
  20. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I think the key is Total Consecration to Jesus through Mary.
    It would be interesting to see the percentage of people who have done the Consecration and who see what is happening. I bet most do.
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