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Communion in the Hand and other modern mass practices

Discussion in 'The Sacraments' started by Scolaire Bocht, Aug 16, 2015.

  1. Scolaire Bocht

    Scolaire Bocht Principalities

    One of the really big differences between the current mass and that which was practiced for centuries is the extreme care that was formally taken to ensure that no Holy Communion fragments were lost and also that no unconsecrated hands could touch same. The differences are explained clearly here in this blog comment:

    There are not a few people out there who regard this as a very serious issue, like this writer who views it as the most serious liturgical issue facing the Church today: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/09/communion-handling-gravest-problem.html .

    You see if you think about it it would be a terrible nightmare if it turns out that these old precautions were very necessary and that routinely communicants are now walking on fragments of the Eucharist dropped while people received in the hand. Of course the standard reply to all this, and the reason why Communion in the Hand was introduced, is that it is a return to an earlier, purer, Church practice. But Bishop Athanasius Schneider for one, a Kazahkstan bishop with a doctorate in patristic Church studies, says that is a 'myth' and receiving on the tongue and kneeling is the only proper way: . Meanwhile at the Vatican level Cardinal Burke, at any rate, is of the opinion that Pope Francis prefers that communicants receive kneeling and on the tongue: .

    I mention all this because it is very striking how much these issues, and related matters like the over use of Eucharistic Ministers, crop up in well thought of modern apparitions and messages, in particular:
    Valentina Papagna, from Slovenia living in Sydney:
    http://motheofgod.com/threads/valentina-papagna-messages.6474/
    , Maria Simma from Austria:
    http://motheofgod.com/threads/maria-simma-the-souls-in-purgatory.7586/
    and Mama Rosa of San Damiano in Italy:
    http://www.wisdomandinstruction.com/communion-hand-part-ii/

    Just wondered what peoples thoughts are on this subject?
     
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  3. Pray4peace

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  4. Scolaire Bocht

    Scolaire Bocht Principalities

    A good thread and I notice that the sensus fidei on this forum, to the tune of 85%, is to receive on the tongue.
     
  5. PotatoSack

    PotatoSack Powers

    since that poll where I voted I receive in the hand, I now receive on the tongue. I really made the change by accident almost. I got distracted because the person in the pew in front of me did not go up to recieve. I was surprised and that made me first in line. So I was out of my normal rhythem and I guess I didn't get my folded hands out fast enough because the eucharistic minister just brought the host to my mouth so I thought I better open up quick. I am not even sure if I said Amen. I got back to my pew thinking...wow, that was odd and surprising. I figured that was my sign that I was to receive on the tonue.
     
  6. Joe Crozier

    Joe Crozier Guest

    I wonder if Jesus placed the bread in the mouths of the apostles to feed His sheep. God loves the work of His hands and the Hands of His workers. The hands should surely be clean but its more about clean hearts. Respect and reverence are what matter I think. Personally I kneel and bow to Jesus before accepting the host in the cradle of my hands. It's getting harder. One day my knees will seize and I will get stuck or topple over. God has a wicked sense of humour but only has fun with His friends.
     
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  7. sunburst

    sunburst Archangels

    Something to think about,...
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    Translation problems? Mass celebrated towards the people? Altar girls? Postures?

    No, the greatest and gravest problem of the liturgy of the Latin Church - that is, of the "Ordinary form", or Mass of Paul VI - is one that transcends all this, even it is related to all of them: it is the way the Body of Christ is treated.
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    No, the greatest and gravest problem of the liturgy of the Latin Church - that is, of the "Ordinary form", or Mass of Paul VI - is one that transcends all this, even it is related to all of them: it is the way the Body of Christ is treated.


    That must be the very first issued tackled by an eventual true "reform of the reform", one that is set not by fleeting example, but by hard law.

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    (1) Any human being who has ever had any experience with any edible object based on a milled product knows that crumbling is a natural part of the process of consuming it: loaves, wafers, cookies, biscuits, crackers, tortillas, nachos - it does not matter, fragmentation takes place.

    (2) Catholics believe that the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ are truly present in each of the Consecrated Species, and completely in every single and minute fragment of it.

    Because of (1) and (2), the Church was traditionally extremely careful regarding the distribution of Holy Communion. That meant reducing to the minimal imaginable level the possibility that any Fragment of the Body of Christ, even the smallest one, might be profaned or lost - which meant only the celebrant himself touched the Body of Christ, that all Fragments could be held under control on the Altar, and that all gestures in the distribution of Holy Communion by the Priest (or Deacon) to the servers and faithful would mean that no Fragment could ever go unaccounted. (And that same process also took place with the distribution under both Species in the East, in a slightly different evolution, but with the same end result: consecrated hands distributing Holy Communion in such a way to make any loss or spillage unlikely and under strict control.)


    What the liturgical innovations following the Council did was to inculcate Catholics with the notion that the Fragments of the Body of Christ do not matter - and it would be absurd to limit that only to the abhorrent practice of Communion in the hand; no, it is not just a matter of respect, but of Belief that God Himself is entirely present in each single Fragment of the Consecrated species; and Communion in the hand is only one aspect of this. In fact, all those allowances for distribution by people other than those with consecrated hands that are not purified before and after the Distribution of Holy Communion, the use of all kinds of "vessels", and all related matters - happening thousands upon thousands of times every single day around the world - also necessarily lead to abuse. Or, rather, they ARE the abuse.

    All other problems with the New Mass are intimately related with this gravest of problems. If the Sacred Liturgy is the "summit toward which the activity of the Church is directed" (SC, 10), the handling of the Body of Christ by the non-ordained is the pit from which all and every single liturgical abuse ontologically flow. Because if God present in the Most Holy Sacrament is treated as "crumbs" and "dust", then reality vanishes and all that remains, in appearance, are empty and ridiculous symbolisms - and no wonder people do not respect these, change them at will, and expect them to adapt to one's own preferences.
    (September 28, 2011)

    By New Catholic at Sunday, November 05, 2017 [​IMG]
     
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  8. dcana

    dcana Angels

    The pope in question was Benedict, not Francis. The video is from 2011.
     
  9. sunburst

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  10. Shae

    Shae Principalities

    I have been receiving Holy Communion in the hand for many years since I was a child, but after following this thread, I have started receiving on the tongue starting yesterday. It kind of threw me off and I forgot to say Amen yesterday, and today, I only remembered to say Amen at the very last millisecond before it was placed on my tongue, lol. Guess I will just have to stick with it until it becomes 'normal' practice for me.o_O I have to admit, it did feel like a much more reverential way to receive Our Lord, so I am grateful for this thread.
     
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  11. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I almost never say Amen because I am short
    And I am lining myself up to receive on the tongue so I am watching the Host
    And preparing
    It all happens so quickly
     
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  12. sunburst

    sunburst Archangels

    At the Latin Mass there is no Amen required,.. all the priest needs is your tongue :p
     
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