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Can we talk about homosexuals?

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Freedom, May 19, 2012.

  1. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes you are right Padraig. It is always the “last stage” of a dying culture. It is in effect anti-family and healthy families with Mother and fFather and lots of siblings are the cornerstone of a healthy society. The cultural Marxist’s knew what they were doing when they set about to undermine the family.
  2. AED

    AED Powers

    And that is the essence of deep pride and the sins that manifest from it. It is endemic here in theUS.
  3. AED

    AED Powers

    Was it St Alphonsus Liguori who said “if you pray you will save your soul; if you don’t pray you will just as surely lose it.”
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  4. AED

    AED Powers

    I have heard this too Denise. It is a complex spectrum of causes but I wouldn’t rule out generational sins and the spirits attached to them. Several priests and ministers have explored this. Of course there are other factors too —psychological and even physical—but the spiritual should be considered too I think.
  5. kristian

    kristian New Member

    Reasonably speaking for human existence, homo(same) sexuality is not natural. Human survival depends on "hetero" (different) sexuality. Two sames "never" create. Two (differents) are "required" to create.
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  6. Immaculata

    Immaculata New Member

    Sorry if I misunderstood what you said. Though that reminds me of one gay person I know of who said something similar. He said he noticed he was different because when he looks back he realised he only liked hanging around with boys at that age and only was ever friends with boys growing up in school. But again for him this is foolish thinking because it is the same for all children, girls play with girls and boys play with boys. It is only as they get older that they could start to realise any different. Though of course it may be different for every person. Like I noticed how in the Irish gay marriage referendum, many people who campaigned to legalise it told their personal stories and it turned out many of the gay people had stories of childhood abuse so that is not a coincidence either.

    I am convinced it is demonic oppression. And also the result of todays culture placing doubt in childrens minds and confusing them. Like if a group of people were sitting in a room. Say 10 people and if 9 of them never had thoughts like that, then the one person who has gay thoughts speaks out about it, all of a sudden all 10 of the people in the room now have gay thoughts (as in contemplating it). And if they don't know who they are and don't know God then some of them will be confused and start to wonder if they are gay too. And of course todays psychology tells them to embrace their thoughts and "discover" themselves so some will get trapped in that thought process and buy into the lie that that is who they are. A battle for their mind which will be latched upon by the devil.

    And then others who know who they are, come under direct demonic oppression where they have the thoughts and insinuations fired at them to try wear them down. Only those who know God and know who they are can fight back against it, others will succumb to the constant barrage by the devil.
  7. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Yes and it is in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.


    2744 Prayer is a vital necessity. Proof from the contrary is no less convincing: if we do not allow the Spirit to lead us, we fall back into the slavery of sin.38 How can the Holy Spirit be our life if our heart is far from him?

    Nothing is equal to prayer; for what is impossible it makes possible, what is difficult, easy. . . . For it is impossible, utterly impossible, for the man who prays eagerly and invokes God ceaselessly ever to sin.39
    Those who pray are certainly saved; those who do not pray are certainly damned.40

  8. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Anyone who faithfully prays the Rosary is given great graces to overcome personal vice.

    Those inclined to same sex attraction will be given the necessary grace to be not only chaste but pure.

    Such is the power of the Rosary.

    That is the good news of the Gospel. The power of God through our Lady's maternal mediation to lead us to sainthood.
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  9. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Yes that is the exact problem. We are being taught now that there are some sins you just can't fight. But this is not the historic teachings of the Church , nor Scripture.

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  10. AED

    AED Powers

    I listened last night to the sensus fidellium talk on Teillhard and although I knew a bit about him--his being the darling of the modernists-- I had no idea of the origins of his apostasy. Truly terrible!!! Frightening and--now it ALL makes sense!!
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  11. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Maybe this is the great grace of our times. We were sleeping and suddenly when things turned very bad we got a Great Kick to wake us all up to what is happening.

    It reminds of the Japanese Commander at Pearl Harbour who said,

    'We have awakened the sleeping giant'

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  12. CrewDog

    CrewDog Archangels

    YUP!! "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve." The quote was most likely a made up one for the Movie but I believe Padraig has a good point. God has a well documented habit of giving Mankind Wake-Up Calls before He decides to "kick ass and take names". The past 50 years ... all of the 20th Century ..... is a TITANIC Wake-Up Call ..... but Old Christendom and the USA is "At the Mall". :mad:
    The pushing of the Perversion Agenda is just one angle of attack being used by The Usual Suspects in The godless Global Left to bring down Western Civilization and the Christian Faith that nurtured and strengthened it. Is it any wonder that Western Society's demise is happening as people turn from Faith!??
    Will enough of US Wake-Up and be filled with Faith & Resolve!? Is there still time!!??
    I still believe the Pope Francis and Pals are part of God's Wake-Up CLARION Call to the Faithful. A call that says; "Time is Short and so is My Temper. With My help, I expect you to Take Back My Church. The Me only option will be exceedingly unpleasant!"
    I'm still in wonder that 2017 went past without Global Catastrophe!

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  13. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

  14. AED

    AED Powers

    My father who was aWWII vet always told me “God always sends America the leader we need when things get bad! Somehow the right man is raised up.” I was beginning to doubt him since Slick Willy and the rest culminating in the horror of the last 8 years but I think maybe God has taken pity on us again. I am thanking Him and praying for DT to successfully complete the work God has sent him there to do. (Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition)(y)
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  15. Mario

    Mario Powers


    Safe Under Mary's Mantle!
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  16. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Here is a most interesting response from a homosexual. He admits there is no scientific basis for the theory that , 'People are born that way'. It is just convenient for people to suppose they are.

    Thus they abandon personal responsibility for choices being made.

    As to people being, 'Nice' , or not being , 'Nice' . Well I would say St Padre Pio was often not nice. Jesus in the Gospel was often not nice. Being nice is not what gets us into heaven, just as not being nice is not what gets us into hell.


    The question of what leads to homosexuality in the first place, however, is obscure, even to the experts. The APA, for example, while noting that most people experience little to no choice over their orientations, says this of homosexuality’s origins:

    “Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors.”

    Similarly, the American Psychiatric Association writes in a 2013 statement that while the causes of heterosexuality and homosexuality are currently unknown, they are likely “multifactorial including biological and behavioral roots which may vary between different individuals and may even vary over time.”

    True, various eye-grabbing headlines over the years have claimed that some scientists have found something like The Gay Gene. In 1991, for example, neuroscientist Simon LaVey published findings that he claimed suggest that “sexual orientation has a biological substrate.” According to LeVay’s research, a specific part of the brain, the third interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus (INAH-3), is smaller in homosexual men than it is in heterosexual men.

    Try as they might, scientists have struggled to identity any particular genes that consistently predict the directions of our love and desire (Credit: Ignacio Lehmann)

    You can spot the problem with this study a mile away: were the gay brains LeVay studied born that way, or did they become that way? LeVay himself pointed this out to Discover Magazine in 1994: “Since I looked at adult brains, we don't know if the differences I found were there at birth or if they appeared later.” Further, the brains LeVay studied belonged to AIDS victims, so he couldn’t even be sure if what he was seeing had something to do with the disease.

    Another landmark paper on the origins of homosexuality was published in 1993 by a geneticist named Dean Hamer, who was interested to learn whether homosexuality could be inherited. Beginning from his observation that there are more gay relatives on a mother’s side than a father’s, Hamer turned his attention to the X chromosome (which is passed on by the mother). He then recruited 40 pairs of gay brothers and got to work. What he found was that 33 of those brothers shared matching DNA in the Xq28, a region in the X chromosome. Hamer’s conclusion? He believes there’s about “99.5% certainty that there is a gene (or genes) in this area of the X chromosome that predisposes a male to become a heterosexual.”
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  17. padraig

    padraig New Member

    A 2015 study sought to confirm Hamer’s findings, this time with a much larger sample: 409 pairs of gay brothers. Researchers were pleased with their findings, which they claimed “support the existence of genes on… Xq28 influencing development of male sexual orientation.”

    But not everyone finds the results convincing, according to Science. For one thing, the study relied on a technique called genetic linkage, which has been widely replaced by genome-wide association studies. It’s also noteworthy that Sanders himself urged his study to be viewed with a certain caution. “We don’t think genetics is the whole story,” he said. “It’s not.”

    And as Allen points out, there have also been studies that found no “X-linked gene underlying male homosexuality.” Perhaps predictably, these studies haven’t received as much media coverage.

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    Besides the individual critiques leveled against each new study announcing some gay gene discovery, there are major methodological criticisms to make about the entire enterprise in general, as Grzanka points out: “If we look at the ravenous pursuit, particularly among American scientists, to find a gay gene, what we see is that the conclusion has already been arrived at. All science is doing is waiting to find the proof.”

    The other problem with Born This Way science is summed up nicely by Simon Copland: “Scientists are asking whether homosexuality is natural when we can’t even agree exactly what homosexuality is.”

    Grzanka agrees. “If you know anything about social constructionism, then you know these sexual categories are very recent. How then could they be rooted in our genome?” Our desires may express themselves in many different ways that do not all conform to existing notions of ‘gay’, ‘straight’ or ‘bisexual’.

    This is one of the best takeaways of Ward’s Not Gay, a penetrating analysis of sex between straight white men. Gay men make up only a fraction of the US population — yet Ward says that there are many men not included in that number who engage in homosexual behavior. Why, then, do some men who have sex with men identify as gay, and others identify as heterosexual? This question interests her far more than ‘how were they born?’.

    Ward stresses that not all straight-identifying men who have sex with men are bisexual or closeted, and we do a disservice if we force those words on them. That’s because terms like ‘heterosexual’ and ‘straight’ and ‘bisexual’ and ‘gay’ come with all sorts of cultural baggage attached. Crucially, she argues, “whether or not this baggage is appealing is a separate matter altogether from the appeal of homosexual or heterosexual sex.”

    Even if you accept that sexual desire may exist on a kind of spectrum, the predominant idea is still that these desires are innate and immutable – but this runs counter to what we know about human taste, says Ward. “Our desires are oriented and re-oriented based on our experiences throughout our lives.”


    Gay or not, our desires are oriented and re-oriented throughout our lives (Credit: Ignacio Lehmann)

    In fact, the straight-identified men Ward studied for her book sometimes found themselves in situations that sparked the desire for homosexual sex: fraternities, deployments, public restrooms, etc. But Ward doesn’t conclude these are somehow repressed or latent gay men. Rather, she argues that they — like all of us — have come to desire bodies and genitals within specific social contexts pregnant with “significant cultural and erotically charged meanings.” In other words, what they want isn’t the “raw fact” of a man’s body, but what it represents in a certain context.

    Why might we be uncomfortable asking whether and how much control we each possess over our “full range of erotic possibilities,” as Ward calls it? “What would it mean to think about people’s capacity to cultivate their own sexual desires, in the same way we might cultivate a taste for food?” she asks. Ward thinks this question is the next frontier of queer thought.

    When I first said I chose to be gay, a queer American journalist challenged me to name the time and date of my choice. But this is an absurd way to look at desire. You might as well ask someone to name the exact moment they began liking Chaucer or disliking Hemingway. When did I begin to prefer lilies to roses? What time did the clock read at the exact moment I fell in love with my partner? All of our desires are continually being shaped throughout our lives, in the very specific contexts in which we discover and rehearse them.
  18. padraig

    padraig New Member

    But back to people being , 'Nice' and not being , 'Nice'.

    Funnily enough we had a young American priest talk about this today with relation to today's Gospel in the Old Rite. The Gospel was The Parable of the Sower.

  19. padraig

    padraig New Member

    The young Father said that there was an American Theologian who put forward the theory that most people go to heaven when they die. Why? Because he thought it would not be a nice thing for God to do. So anyway , apparently he went to visit Sr Lucia of Fatima and told her his theory. To which she responded,

    'No Father you are very,very wrong, many, many, many people go to hell!'

    But the priest insisted that this could not be so, it would not be nice.

    But again Sr Lucia said,

    'Father you are very much mistaken, very, very many people go to hell!'

    You know it is not for us to tell God what to do; it is for God to tell us. Many people get confused by this; but it is true.

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  20. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    It goes much deeper than, "the Godless left". The whole world has lost its salt. The instrument that Satan has used is Freemasonry for 300 years now. It founded Modernism, Communism, Marxism, Socialism, Feminism, Pornography and now Relativism deeply embedded within God's Catholic Church. It brought about contraception, active Sodomy, LGBTQ, abortion on demand, co-habitation in lieu of marriage as a way of life in our modern era. It has made materialism the God of choice. With all of this and more we have the "godless left". The only way out of all this is the Rosary. It is why our Blessed mother has been promoting it as the weapon of Choice to defeat all of what Satan has planted. If enough people double down on saying the daily rosary we will see the world change. If not, it will only get worse till God himself will have to interject his punishments on mankind. So many warnings, so many messages from heaven all telling us the same information, but to many Catholic churches have little left but social justice to offer. God has been patient and has delayed punishments that were to take place before the the turn of the new millennium, but I fear his restrainer has been lifted. As for me and my family we will continue to do our part in the daily rosary, monthly confession and the other requests of our Lady of Fatima. That is and has been the only answer.
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