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Burke Calls for Consecration of Russia to Immaculate Heart of Mary

Discussion in 'Consecration to Mary.' started by BrianK, May 19, 2017.

  1. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Before moving on,how did the 1984 consecration fulfill the conditions that were missing?
     
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  2. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    I respond to the heading on this topic. As a supporter of Cardinal Burke Rosary campaign since we joined with his intentions on the first of the month many months ago.

    I was disappointed to hear Cardinal Burke now appears to be in on the Consecration battle.

    Pope Francis Consecrated the world to Immaculate Heart of Mary. I was very happy when this Pope renewed the Consecration; but remain one of the believers that Saint John Paul the Great already made the Consecration successfully in 1984.

    I would be far more excited if I read that Cardinal Burke was calling all Catholics to respond to Blessed Mother request for us all to enter into a commitment to make the Five First Saturdays; because I am convinced our failure to respond is the spanner in the works that has held back the flood of Graces and Blessings leading to a period of Peace which Blessed Mother promised.

    You see, I have come to wonder if the Pope and the Bishops and Priests form the stones with which Christ builds His Church in each generation. And we the people with our prayers form the mortar which binds the building together, the building being the Church of Jesus Christ on earth.

    The Five First Saturdays would be a very powerful mortar mix to strengthen the spirituality in the Church also called the Mystical body of Christ on earth.

    And when you think how little penances, mortifications, devotions, fasting could be seen like gem stones in the mortar mix to beautify the whole spiritual structure, making God very happy when He looks down at us all here as we journey through life on our pilgrimage in exile. Well....Just a thought.
     
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  3. PFO

    PFO New Member

    Hello Julia,

    Forgive me for applying a bucket of cold water to your view with my personal presence next to the Vatican on the Piazza Risorgimento at Fr. Gruner's Fatima Center office on Monday - June 26, 2000.

    In the 2PM hour, 'Bruno' the Belgian journalist walked in and said his three English words 'Hey mericun howzit?' He then proceeded to converse in Italian with the manager Alessandro Fuligni, so I offered to get some drinks for the three of us. When I returned, Bruno was leaving and bid me 'Ciao' as he headed out the door.

    Alessandro spent several minutes typing on the computer and checking his written notes. Finally turning to me he held out a single sheet with the admonition "This should answer a lot of questions." I read and re-read it several times, knowing that I would repeat the contents at some future date.
    ___________________________________________________________

    Bruno - “This morning I attended the release of the 'Third Secret of Fatima' at the Vatican and was surprised that we - the Vatican Press Corps - were forbidden to ask any questions during the presentation.

    Also, the presence of several politicians celebrating the tenth anniversary of the death of Vatican secretary of state, Cardinal Agostino Casaroli the architect of the Vatican's "Ost-Politic" was significant. They included former presidents Valéry Giscard d'Estaing of France, Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev of the Soviet Union and Carlo Azeglio Ciampi of Italy.

    Several powerful Prelates of the Church were also in attendance, including Cardinals Godfried Danneels of Belgium, Carlo Martini of Milan, Angelo Sodano, current Vatican Secretary of State and Achille Silvestrini of the Curia.

    After the presentation, I walked up to a Cardinal and asked: Your Eminence, how would you answer the criticisms that this is not the ‘third secret’ and the charge already leveled at the Vatican by Fr. Gruner among others that the 'consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart' has not been accomplished?

    He replied: "Without going into the problems with Fr. Gruner's ministry; his people are in anguish over these matters - and though their hearts are pure - their methods of achieving this are not appropriate! They must be obedient to the Magesterium to decide the best time to do this [the Consecration] and in any event we must all be patient at least until the canonization of the Shepard children.”

    So, in two sentences the Cardinal rather deftly explained the situation and the solution being pursued by the Vatican. Your readers are naturally interested to know his name – Joseph Aloisius Cardinal Ratzinger.
    _____________________________________________________________

    Now that the “Canonization of the Shepard children” has been accomplished perhaps the “Consecration of Russia”, is back on track and this accounts for Cardinal Burke's statement? He no doubt is aware of Cardinal Ratzinger's remarks and perhaps has taken his Que from the month's events.

    However, I don’t think Pope Francis will be the man to Consecrate Russia, but he is probably the Pope of the ‘vision of the Third Secret’ released on that June, 2000 day. YES, Pope Francis is the:

    “. . . Bishop dressed in White 'we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'.

    Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions.

    Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.” - Sr. Lucia's Diary


    And where will Pope Francis offer his life as a martyr? In the “big city half in ruins” which is Jerusalem. Pope Francis will make his sacrifice for the conversion of the Jews!

    By this means they will be converted to the Holy Roman Catholic faith and Pope Francis’ successor will then be able to Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart and the Russians will also be converted to Holy Mother Church.

    Thereafter, we ALL shall finally enjoy:

    ". . . a certain period of peace (which) will be granted to the world."

    Kindest regards,
    PFO
     
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  4. MMM

    MMM Principalities

    PFO this line is especially vauge, first unsure then sure......."However, I don’t think Pope Francis will be the man to Consecrate Russia, but he is probably the Pope of the ‘vision of the Third Secret’ released on that June, 2000 day. YES, Pope Francis is the..."
     
  5. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Julia, I very much like your idea of Cardinal Burke (or anyone else of note) calling for a First Five Saturdays crusade!
    Many people don't even know about the First Five Saturdays :(
    Something of that magnitude would bring more light to them.
     
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  6. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Welcome PFO :)
    Nice to have you here.
     
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  7. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Maranatha

    Stunning information!
     
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  8. Mario

    Mario Powers

    I'm flabbergasted! o_O:confused::barefoot::coffee:

    Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
     
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  9. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    Pardon my poor comprehension butI need to get this straight. Who asked this question of Cardinal Ratzinger:
    After the presentation, I walked up to a Cardinal and asked: Your Eminence, how would you answer the criticisms that this is not the ‘third secret’ and the charge already leveled at the Vatican by Fr. Gruner among others that the 'consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart' has not been accomplished?

    Was it you, PFO?
    Was it Bruno, the Belgian journalist?
    Was it Alessandro Fuligni?

    I'm fairly sure you are telling us that it was Bruno who asked the question and that you either didn't hear what Bruno was telling Alessandro because you didn't understand Italian and missed at least part of the conversation while you were buying the drinks. If that's correct, the source of the contents of the question and answer is Alessandro Fuligni. Was/is Alessandro Fuligni the manager of the cafe or the manager of the Father Gruner Fatima Centre, or was/is the cafe situated in the Centre? In other words, was/is Alessandro Fuligni a member of Father Gruner's organisation?

    If Bruno was the person who asked the question, do you know whether he reported it in any newspaper or journal? If so, can you tell us where it was reported?

    Sorry if this comes across a nitpicking, but it matters if the only source of this information is one of Fr. Gruner's followers.
     
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  10. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

  11. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    Your question is best answered by Sister Lucia herself:

    "This consecration was made by the Holy Father Pope John Paul II in Rome publicly on March 25, 1984, before the image of Our Lady which is venerated in the Chapel of the Apparitions in the Cova da Iria, Fatima, which the Holy Father, after having written to all the bishops of the world asking them to unite with His Holiness in this Act of Consecration that would be led from Rome, to mark well that the Consecration was going to be made before this image that was requested by Our Lady of Fatima."

    (Pathway under the Gaze of Mary - https://www.amazon.com/Pathway-Under-Gaze-Mary-Immaculate/dp/0578158639)​
     
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  12. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    This from Sister Lucia's 1989 letter is perhaps clearer:

    After this, Pope Paul VI made it on May 13,1967. They asked me if it was done as Our Lady requested. I answered no, for the
    same reason; it lacked the union with all the bishops of the world. It was made again by Pope John Paul II on May 13, 1982,
    They asked me then if it was done. I said no. It lacked the union with all the bishops of the world. Then, this same
    Supreme Pontiff John Paul II wrote to all the bishops of the world asking them to unite with him and he gave orders for the
    image of Our Lady of Fatima to be taken from the Capelinha and brought to Rome, and on March 25 1984 - publicly and in
    union with all the bishops of the world who wished to unite - made the Consecration as Our Lady requested. They asked me
    then if it was made as Our Lady had asked for it, and I said yes. Since then it is done.


    (Pathway under the Gaze of Mary - https://www.amazon.com/Pathway-Under-Gaze-Mary-Immaculate/dp/0578158639)



     
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  13. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    The alleged letter has never been produced.
    https://onepeterfive.com/chief-exorcist-father-amorth-padre-pio-knew-the-third-secret/
     
  14. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    First you need to be honest and tell us what the conditions that were missing are.
    You will find them in the Walsh quotes of Sr Lucia.
     
  15. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    Fr Amorth was a good man (he hadn't much time for people who rejected Medjugorje, Mac) and I have little doubt that if the Coimbrian nuns book had been published at the time he gave his interview he would have changed his views.

    I can well understand how Fr Amorth remained suspicious of the 1984 Consecration being close to the manouverings that resulted in the specific reference to Russia being removed from the wording. But he should have realised that heaven sees the hearts of men and their intentions.

    It is obvious that the Fr Gruner devotees are going to deny the existence of the 1989 letter but if the nuns of Sister Lucia's are also to be enrolled in the Vatican 'conspiracies' which are supposed to be constantly lying to us, then we might as well go home and forget about all these matters.

    Just a reminder of the video of the couple in Fatima that I posted who relate in a very simple way how they met with Sister Lucia who told them to their face that the Consecration was done.
     
  16. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    I have to be honest, Mac! Please specify the conditions you think were not fulfilled.
     
  17. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    You need to be honest and repeat what Sr Lucia said was missing from the 42 consecration as reported by Walsh.
    Its not that hard is it?
    Rather what Our Lady said was required.
     
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  18. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    You can be very tiresome, Mac! :rolleyes: If its not hard then why didn't you do it!

    Is this what you are referring to:

    ‘What Our Lady wants is that the Pope and all the bishops in the world shall consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart on one special day. If this is done, She will convert Russia and there will be peace. If it is not done, the errors of Russia will spread through every country in the world.’
     
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  19. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Can you upload that shorter video again to utube or vimeo David?
     
  20. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    As Mac seems to think that posting what Sister Lucia said in 1946 proves something, let me repeat again Sister Lucia's response (in a separate text to the famous 1989 letter):

    This consecration was made by the Holy Father Pope John Paul II in Rome publicly on March 25, 1984, before the image of Our Lady which is venerated in the Chapel of the Apparitions in the Cova da Iria, Fatima, which the Holy Father, after having written to all the bishops of the world asking them to unite with His Holiness in this Act of Consecration that would be led from Rome, to mark well that the Consecration was going to be made before this image that was requested by Our Lady of Fatima.

    Mac doesn't think that counts! But Sister Lucia did. Who are you going to follow?
     
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